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rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 12:55
I guess this could be construed as an American-centric question but, hey, it is what it is.

If you could vote for any former US President to accompany the existing presidential likenesses on Mt. Rushmore who would it be?

My vote would be for Jimmy Carter.

< just kidding. Actually my vote would be for John Adams. Not John Quincy Adams, mind you, just John Adams aka, the 2nd US President>

tony draper
15th May 2013, 13:01
As a outside I would say buggah the politicians, put Neil Armstrong up there.
:rolleyes:

funfly
15th May 2013, 13:27
It would have to be Kennedy.

OFSO
15th May 2013, 13:31
Not a president but a laugh: Billy Carter

Why honour a President ? Like most politicians they are fit only to be (deleted) with a red hot (deleted) up their (deleted) and then stood against a wall and (deleted).

Twice on Sundays !

jackieofalltrades
15th May 2013, 13:38
As a outside I would say buggah the politicians, put Neil Armstrong up there.

I like your thinking. There is room for a 5th head up on Mouth Rushmore, but I doubt if anyone ever did get put up there it would be anyone other than another president.

However, that being said, if any non-president got put there, I can't think of anyone more apt than Neil Armstrong.

Maybe they should start a second Mount Rushmore with American heroes. Who would JBers suggest would go on?

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 13:39
OFSO:

Although I am in agreement with your sentiments concerning politicians in general, I am of the belief that the presidents of yore were not political animals as they are today. Washington, Adams, Jefferson and a few after that time were more philosophical than anything else. They were more attuned to the "common man", from which the came, then their successors. But, at the same time, the presidents of yore were able to rise above and lead a nation to greatness. Something sadly lacking in present-day Presidents/politicians.

The SSK
15th May 2013, 13:49
According to the matrix on this page (W'pedia, yeah, I know...) the next best credentials belong to the other Roosevelt.

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States)

G-CPTN
15th May 2013, 13:56
the next best credentials belong to the other Roosevelt

Eleanor? :E

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 14:00
The SSK:

According to the Wiki link you posted Abraham Lincoln is considered the greatest President the U.S. has ever known.

I take exception to that.

I think Lincoln was ONE of the greatest. But I really believe that the greatest U.S. President was arguably Thomas Jefferson. Bar none.

MagnusP
15th May 2013, 14:02
They were going to add Barry to Rushmore, but they couldn't decide which of his two faces to use.

tony draper
15th May 2013, 14:07
There was a recent documentary (American made) shown here that showed old Abe up in a totally different light, not a nice chap at all, but he was a man of his time,ruthless as any other in time of war.
:uhoh:

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 14:10
tony d wrote:

There was a recent documentary (American made) shown here that showed old Abe up in a totally different light, not a nice chap at all,Would you be a "nice chap" if you had chronic hemorrhoids? They can be a real pain in the arse. :}

Lonewolf_50
15th May 2013, 14:17
rg:

Washington > Jefferson by a slim margin.

If you look into the history, and look at the decisions Jefferson made (and in particular his foolish position on the Navy) some of the shine comes off the coin ... even though it is still shiny. The frigates were there to handle the Barbary Pirates despite Jefferson's idiotic gun barges on Chesapeake Bay theory.

On the other hand, the land deal he worked for French Louisiana was brilliant.

Jefferson was a better thinker, Washington a better leader.

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 14:24
I see your point, Lonewolf, but Jefferson will always be Da Man to me! Yeah, he made some questionable decisions which didn't necessarily turn out all too well (barbary war) but look at what he was responsible for: the Lewis and Clark expeditions, the Louisiana Purchase (as you wrote), the founding of West Point, the admitting of Ohio to the Union, his Native American policy, his repeal of Federal taxes, etc.

I do believe Washington was a better leader as you wrote. But Jefferson was a much better implementer of his ideas than Washington was.

Don't get me wrong: George Washington was a very great President. But a hair-thin second to Jefferson, in my not so humble opinion.

brickhistory
15th May 2013, 14:33
I wouldn't.

But to answer the conditions of the thread, I'd vote for FDR.

His socialist domestic policies were/are terrible, but he did lead us through two hugely defining periods - The Great Depression and World War II.

Often think that greatness is a factor of being in the saddle when something happens, but he was there for those and the Republic still stood afterwards, so that's something.

Dak Man
15th May 2013, 14:33
President Martin Sheen

West Coast
15th May 2013, 14:41
Jefferson Davis

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 14:47
West Coast:

That's pretty sick. Jefferson Davis? Too bad he was on the very losing side of the equation.

<also shows that although you seem to be currently located on the Left Coast, we know where your true allegiance is. Do you eat grits as well?!!!!!>

Milo Minderbinder
15th May 2013, 15:10
Homer Simpson
You have to raise the average IQ level of those up there somehow

Matari
15th May 2013, 15:14
Just for balance, there are apparently three sitting European 'Presidents' at any given time.

That means that it would take a mountain the size of Kilimanjaro to contain their likenesses over time. There is nothing, however, which could contain their egos.

Can anyone name these distinguished politicians, and their official titles? I would think that they have more effect on Europeans' daily lives than any American president. (And if not, why not?) No wikicheating.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Les_trois_pr%C3%A9sidents_2011-11-30.jpg/220px-Les_trois_pr%C3%A9sidents_2011-11-30.jpg

G&T ice n slice
15th May 2013, 15:37
F.D.R.

Best president the British ever had!

we went there in 1956 on our great tour of the North American continent.
was 3 months of
The blackened forest
Smoulders yet
Because
He flipped
A cigaret

and

Around
The curve
Lickety-split
It's a beautiful car
Wasn't it?


etcetera

Dushan
15th May 2013, 15:48
RGB, you knew this was coming from me...

http://www.seismicon.com/images/reagan-rushmore.jpg

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 15:51
Dushan:

eeeeeeeehhhhhh-haaaaaaa.

Yup, Ronnie belongs right up there with George and Thomas, Teddie and Honest Abe as well.

eeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaa.

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 15:54
Dushan:

I like this one even better. And it's just for you too!

http://www.freewebs.com/write-on-book-club/Bush-Mt.Rushmore-anim.gif

West Coast
15th May 2013, 16:02
I want my mug up there. I'm only one of about 27 people in California who is gainfully employed and pays taxes.

I deserve something other than higher taxes. The President is giving everyone else something, my turn has to be coming.

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 16:07
I fear, West Coast, that if your mug was put up on Mt. Rushmore that George, Thomas, Teddie and Abe would take up residence on some other mountaintop. :}:}:}

West Coast
15th May 2013, 16:43
Who ya kidding, I'm the best looking guy I know, just ask me if you don't believe me.

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 16:47
West Coast:

Does the mirror tell you the truth?!! :}:}:ok::ok:

tony draper
15th May 2013, 17:24
Wasn't Mount Rushmore sculpted by a chap just off his own bat? unofficially? or am I getting mixed up with someplace else.
:)

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 17:52
Tony:

As far as I recall, I believe Mt. Rushmore was funded (at least in part) by the Federales. I think the original sculptor was a Danish-American and his son.

Dak Man
15th May 2013, 18:08
Morgan Freeman gets my vote for allowing Bruce Willis to frag that asteroid, with Martin Sheen in 2nd with Bill Pullman 3rd for his outstanding leadership when the aliens came on 4th July.

spInY nORmAn
15th May 2013, 18:18
Living in Canada, I don't care who they might add - the view from our side won't change much - just another a**hole!

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/uu82/Lightning_29/MtRushmore.jpg

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 18:55
spInY nORmAn (http://www.pprune.org/members/130821-spiny-norman):

Thanks for that. My Diet Coke is now splattered all over my LCD monitor. Yuck! :}

West Coast
15th May 2013, 18:59
RG

You may be right about me never making it on Mt Rushmore, my butt would never fit in that last remaining space.

rgbrock1
15th May 2013, 19:01
Fear not, West Coast. Perhaps we can find a spot for your buttocks on Mt. Everest!!!!

Tankertrashnav
15th May 2013, 22:18
By the way, how's that mountainside sculpture of Sitting Bull, or Crazy Horse or whoever getting on? Havent heard much about that one in recent years.

rgbrock1
16th May 2013, 17:15
Tanker:

That would be the "work in progress" known as the "Crazy Horse Memorial". It was started in 1948 and continues today!

The monument is being constructed in the Black Hills of South Dakota in Custer County.

This is what the finished product is supposed to look like:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2487/3872015171_e4c982b7d3.jpg

lomapaseo
16th May 2013, 18:16
If we were to agree about Obama would we have to carve his likeness in the "Black Hills" ?

rgbrock1
16th May 2013, 18:20
loma:

His likeness has already been carved, but not into the Black Hills. It's on my toilet bowl seat.

Tankertrashnav
16th May 2013, 23:18
Rgb - thanks for the info - that's certainly some project. What they need are about 10,000 ancient Egyptian slaves - that'd get it finished in no time!

MagnusP
17th May 2013, 11:41
What they need are about 10,000 ancient Egyptian slaves - that'd get it finished in no time!

Young ones would be even quicker. :p

airship
17th May 2013, 16:37
rgbrock1 wrote teasingly: My vote would be for Jimmy Carter. con-pilot would eaily bring you down on that score if he were not currently absent here and dishing out US$ bills to those folks in the north / south of the Emerald isle of EIRE as it is also known...

But Mt. Rushmore has already been sufficiently dis-figured IMHO.

Why not consider somewhere else in the USA? The "Black Mountains" in Nevada might be a more suitable place (sharing such future tourism quests and bounties) with Mt. Rushmore in South Dakota.?

Jimmy Carter ain't dead yet. Yet is truly one of the USA's greatest 20th Century presidents. He was not prejudiced against those of "color" neither. When the time comes, perhaps monuments to both Jimmy Carter and Obama Barack will be erected somewhere in those "Black Mountains" of Nevada...?! :ok:

Lonewolf_50
17th May 2013, 17:58
Jimmy Carter ain't dead yet. Yet is truly one of the USA's greatest 20th Century presidents.

Nope, not even close.

rgbrock1
17th May 2013, 18:08
airship wrote:

Jimmy Carter ain't dead yet. Yet is truly one of the USA's greatest 20th Century presidents.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

airship? What did I tell you, and how many times, about those drugs? Hmm? You know what crack does to ones brain. For the love of god, please lay off. It's for your own good. :ok:

West Coast
17th May 2013, 18:15
Jimmy who?

rgbrock1
17th May 2013, 18:20
Jimmah. You don't remember Jimmah, West Coast? :}

Here. Allow me to refresh your memory. :}

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/first-family/masthead_image/39jc_header_sm.jpg?1250886567

Heeerrrrrrreeee's Jimmy.

rgbrock1
17th May 2013, 18:24
Oh, and West Coast? In case you still don't get who Jimmy is, here is an old photo of his daughter. Her name is Amy. And here, in this photos, is Amy and her kitty.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Amycarterjpg.jpg/220px-Amycarterjpg.jpg

And just in case you have lost sleep over wondering whatever the hell happened to Amy, here's a photo of her Wedding Day.

http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-201305/91f6e078f3595dc72d7de4b434b8a8aa.jpg

The only reaction I have of The Wedding Day Photo is:

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek:

rgbrock1
17th May 2013, 18:41
One more for ya, West Coast. Just to ensure you know of which Jimmy we are all talking about. Here, yet again but in close-up, is Amy.

http://blu.stb.s-msn.com/i/8F/C863CC75543C94433E114D55F5C.jpg

Have a nice weekend, West Coast, and Happy Wet Dreams :}:}:}

Dushan
17th May 2013, 20:45
Cut it out, RGB. These pictures are making me sick.

OFSO
17th May 2013, 20:48
Remember the cartoon in National Lampoon: Bella Abzug saying "you don't get teeth like that from eating pussy, Mr President." Could that have been a reference to Amy's cat ? If so, why would anyone (other than Billy Carter of course) want to eat it ?

airship
18th May 2013, 13:35
One can only assume that rgbrock1, West Coast, Lonewolf_50 etc. are all increadibly envious that they themselves, never accomplished even 1/10th of what Jimmy Carter has accomplished concerning US and International relations over the past 36 years...

And that's just a more-or-less "neutral" observation... :sad:

Cacophonix
18th May 2013, 13:42
Was interested to discover that Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer...

For all the villification he faces from the crusty crew here I suspect he is a decent man.

Caco

pigboat
18th May 2013, 16:36
For all the villification he faces from the crusty crew here I suspect he is a decent man.

That may be true, but aviation-wise but he was a ducking fizzaster as President. Think deregulation.

BenThere
19th May 2013, 00:56
Decent man. Disastrous president.

I'd put President Reagan on it. Won the Cold War and restored the American spirit for a generation or two.

FDR? No. His 'progressivism' did the same kind of damage we are seeing today. No credits for turning a recession into a depression, bailed out by the industry generated by total war.