Cost of a Self Sponsored B-737NG Type-Rating at CAE

[equinox123]

Looking at the current market situation as far as the Indian commercial aviation is concerned,things seem to be getting a tad better than the previous year and may be the year before that and so on.......but its too early to comment anything concrete as far as the hiring trend is concerned in general...especially for fresh CPL holders.....In addition to the already 4000+CPL holders in India there is bound to be heavy competing from guys sitting at home with a type-rating.
So assuming if one has to do a type rating on a B-737 NG......any idea guys how much its gonna cost at CAE?.........Healthy comments are more than welcome and no preaching needed........Thanks.

[IXUXU]

Why you don´t drop a call to get first hand info? I´m pretty sure they will be more than happy givi..selling you all the dream.

[Proline21]

Air Baltic Training are advertising the B737-CL TR with NG conversion for 9.999 EUR but only during this Summer. Not sure if they are able to provide Indian DCA support in obtaining the rating. Also no base traning involved.

Also try Germany's Cockpit4U because I have seen plenty of Indians around there as well, so they might be able to offer a tailormade course aiming at Indians

[equinox123]

@ Proline21...... Thank you so very much for your reply......Appreciated!

[bhambri]

I can help you out with TRTO's PM me.

[captjns]

Contact all TRTOs directly. They will provide you with:

Cost of training
Discounted hotel accomodations
Local regulatory requirements
Visa requirements, if required

Best way to be informed, and make an educated decision.

Stay with well named reputable TRTOs such as Flight Safety, CAE, Boeing, Higher Power, etc.

You may pay a bit more for a quality operation, but save money in the long run from using shuyster operations.

Also check with your DGCA to ensure they are approved TRTOs as well.

[fullforward]

..don't waste your or daddy money: the airlines need to provide the training if they REALLY NEED you.
In the current state of business is a big risk to spend such a reasonable amount of money without any job offer.

[equinox123]

It is always a great sight to see people reply generously and share their expertise.......thank you all.....I will surely get in touch with the TRTO's directly captjns......more comments are always welcome........

[captjns]

Good luck Equinox:ok:

[fullforward]

...the TRTOs are very happy with thousands of boys lured by non existant job offers, filling their classes. Lot of guys with useless and expirable type ratings, already waiting for a job and with a steep bank loan to pay.
This Pay-2fly scam is a big disgrace of this profession. Is good only for the the TRTOs business.
Sorry for the reality check. You've been advised.

[billboard]

Looking at the current market situation as far as the Indian commercial aviation is concerned,things seem to be getting a tad better than the previous year and may be the year before that and so on......

I disagree. The fleet size of all the scheduled airlines combined is still less than what it was at the end of 2011. It is quite likely that the perception of "things getting better" is based on announcements of expansion plans by existing and new operators. Such "plans" were also announced back in 2006-07. How many of the plans did come true? Having heard the "things getting better" many times before, i would be very careful of basing my decisions on "projections." Have people forgotten the projections of "x000 pilots needed by 2012" peddled by the media in 2006-2007?

Pilot shortage to intensify | Business Standard (http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/pilot-shortage-to-intensify-107120301013_1.html)
Given below is a quote from the article dated 03/12/2007.

Already, according to a KPMG study on the subject, India's airlines will need approximately 13,800 by 2012 (the demand projected for the next year is 7,628 and despite ministry efforts, the problem is yet to go away.

About 7000 CPLs were issued in the last 5 years, much less than the "projected" requirement of 13,800(ahahaha). Going by the projection, we should be facing a massive shortage of pilots at this point of time! However, the ground reality is that CPL holders after having spent good sums of money are feeling compelled to spend still more on getting a type rating WITHOUT a job guarantee!!! What if the "projections" turn out to be false? ....... again. Then Total loss = cost of CPL + cost of Type Rating = EMIs for a long time. I guess some people will still be paying their own EMI's at the time when they have to get a loan for their children's education. Many of them would never have earned a single paisa from flying because only few will find work eventually.:sad:

there is bound to be heavy competing from guys sitting at home with a type-rating.

So you do know that people are sitting unemployed after getting a type-rating? So why do you think it is good idea to get a type-rating? Just asking because i have been confused about whether or not to get a type rating myself. I want to get one but its things like i have mentioned above that hold me back from taking the plunge.

[cyrilroy21]

Had even 50 % of KPMG's prediction for Pilots had come true then we would have had another pilot shortage by now .

But this report was in Dec 2007 .
Then came the Global Financial Crisis followed by a recession in Europe

Oil consistently at or above 100$/bl does not help . What made it worse was service tax and huge airport airport charges .

Some airlines that existed when this report was written but no more
Air Deccan
Kingfisher
Paramount
MDLR

[fullforward]

The country badly needs competent engineers, doctors, IT experts, technicians, etc. NOT pilots.
Thousands of young indians have been making the fortune of aviation schools/TRTOs across the world, under the illusion of a fast and well paid career.
In most of the cases it's frustrating and leavse a hefty bank loan to be paid.

[IXUXU]

Any young guy thinking about being pilot as a professional career, wherever, in the present market, needs professional help.

[UPWA]

Its around 28,000 USD,I had inquired about it.But 2 factors coz of which i will not suggest CAE:-

1.Slots is a issue there as its cluttered by Airlines,they have only I NG sim if i remember correctly,2 for 320.

2.As examiners which comes for your checks, are supposed to come from DGCA,so they keep delaying it,plus they dont care whether the canditate is passed or fail,coz they are not part of that private organization,so they are not hesitant to fail any one,where as this is not the case with a private TRTO,more they come for taking checks more money they make,you know how are DGCA people!

regards.

[equinox123]

OH UPWA thank you so much for your valuable comments...I had no idea about the DGCA check examiners.......but the question is.....do i then need to clear DGCA 737NG Specific paper?

[alphasieara]

@equinox123...

No specific in india requiered, the TRTO will conduct an in house specific exam.

[broompusher]

@ Equinox....

So exactly what is the price of your dignity? Buying a Type Rating won't help you, as someone else said, it will just expire then you will be in the same place you are now (Less $15-$30,000 of course for that shiny type rating you won't get to use).

I suggest you start looking for a job that is within your experience level, IE turboprop FO. You may have a better chance there.

Best of luck with your first job. We were all there.

[Ridge Runner]

Air Baltic Training are advertising the B737-CL TR with NG conversion for 9.999 EUR but only during this Summer

Proline, is this acceptable by Indian DGCA?

[alphasieara]

@ridge runner

As long as they are icao approved and follow the guidelines issued by the DGCA ,CARs then all is good

[de facto]

CAA..plus they dont care whether the canditate is passed or fail,coz they are not part of that private organization,so they are not hesitant to fail any one

Thanks god the CAA still has a standard:ugh:

[Ridge Runner]

follow the guidelines issued by the DGCA ,CARs then all is good

In that case they possibly don't. They are teaching on the CL and not the NG. Despite being common type as far as licencing are concerned there is a distinction in the eyes of the DGCA. They might advertise it but I would be hesitant to enrol until I've seen someone actually get the endorsement from New Delhi!

Remember cheap always comes with a caveat and normally there is a catch somewhere!

RR