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grumbles69
9th May 2013, 10:50
The captain and co-pilot of a plane coming in to land at Heathrow donned oxygen masks after a strong smell made them feel dizzy, a report has said.

Despite the co-pilot experiencing eye irritation and being nauseous, the pair landed the 139-passenger Airbus safely.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) report said there was also an odour in the passenger cabin.

The report said the source of the smell, which affected the aircraft on 21 October, could not be found.

The AAIB report described the incident, on the Lufthansa Airbus A321 from Frankfurt to London Heathrow, as serious.

Priority-landing clearance

When the co-pilot complained of the smell and the irritation to his eye and throat, the captain called the purser.

She confirmed there was also an odour in the cabin and that she was experiencing the same symptoms as the co-pilot.

When the co-pilot complained of being dizzy, the crew put on their oxygen masks and requested priority-landing clearance.

After the landing, with the engines shut down, "the situation in the cabin improved, although a few passengers reported light throat irritation", the report said.

Six crew members were sent to hospital for medical checks and the aircraft was examined but "no explanation for the odour or symptoms experienced by the crew could be found", the report said.

The AAIB concluded: "This event thus joins a growing number of cases in which there has been a similar lack of conclusive evidence as to the cause(s) of aircraft cabin air quality issues."

The AAIB said UK Civil Aviation Authority analysis showed "fume events" occur on approximately 0.05% of commercial passenger and cargo flights.



I wasn't flying that day, so it wasn't me! :eek:

onetrack
9th May 2013, 10:58
That must been some lamb korma with added chickpeas and lentils! Surely they must have some idea of the responsible pax? :rolleyes:
That'd be the one whose face promptly went from being tightly screwed-up - to something resembling extreme satisfaction? - followed by a smug look?? :suspect:

Cacophonix
9th May 2013, 10:59
Was this thread cast down into the dark briny here from above?

The issue of air quality and crew incapacitation as well as long term health is a serious one!

The truth about cabin air (http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/)

The BAE 146 had a particularly bad reputation for incidents associated with noxious fumes associated with hot oil vapour contamination of the cabin pressurisation system.

Often a contentious issue but a real one.

http://www.aerotoxic.org/download/docs/technical_info/BAE%20E-SIL%2021-146-RJ-536-1.pdf

Caco

Dushan
9th May 2013, 10:59
Was curry served for lunch?

Lon More
9th May 2013, 12:16
a good argument for smoke hoods i.s.o. masks

BOAC
9th May 2013, 12:20
Caco - panic ye not - still running in R&N until.........................

tony draper
9th May 2013, 12:50
Those aircraft should be fitted with military style ejector seats in the cockpit, pilots cost money, the aircraft is insured, passengers are ten a penny.
:rolleyes:

rgbrock1
9th May 2013, 12:55
I wonder if my mother-in-law was on this flight?

If sh*t isn't coming out of her mouth (99.9% of the time) then the gaseous forbearers of that are coming out of her butt. (00.1% of the time)

lomapaseo
9th May 2013, 13:19
CAC

Often a contentious issue but a real one.


One can lose friends debating this one :)

Just to declare where I'm at

There is insufficient data to point to a practical solution.

The world has many problems in all aspects of life that fit such scenarios and we see them daily on the nightly news in the segments where they introduce their talking heads medical experts.

My advice is; that if you believe there are pointers in the data, then don't fly or wear a tinfoil gas mask.

Other than that carry on with collecting any data that might reveal a risk assessment mitigation program.

Cacophonix
9th May 2013, 13:35
My advice is; that if you believe there are pointers in the data, then don't fly or wear a tinfoil gas mask.

That would go nicely with my tinfoil hat I guess! ;)

No, seriously, all I am saying is that certain aircraft types have had issues with air contamination and taking those incidents seriously is no more silly than carrying a carbon monoxide level sensor in an aircraft whose vintage might go back to the 50s.

There are some flying folks out there who have died or are very ill with neurological symptoms that may or may not be associated with their profession and here I agree entirely with you that getting the data and empirical evidence to make a definitive causal link (or not) between their deaths and/or symptoms is going to be pretty difficult indeed (but ultimately not impossible).


Caco

sitigeltfel
9th May 2013, 16:46
Why should everyone suffer?..........

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1314733.1365773605!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/bag13n-1-web.jpg

Cacophonix
9th May 2013, 23:02
Tis indeed a Jewish thing. Don't cross graveyards....

Ah well!

Caco

BOAC
10th May 2013, 07:49
You just have to hope the bag is airtight.