ATP required to fly as crew on -121 carriers 3 Aug 2013

[atpcliff]

On 3 Aug 2013, all -121 (Delta, Alaska, American Eagle, SkyWest, Miami Air, Pace, etc. etc.) airline pilots will need an ATP to fly the plane.

Specifically, ALL pilots, both the Captain and the First Officer will need full U.S. ATP licenses to fly any -121 airplane. This law had about a 5 year time delay, so there is no grandfathering. If you are a -121 First Officer, without an ATP, you will not be flying after 2 Aug 2013, for your airline, anymore.

Also, the U.S. does not have a PIC ATP and an SIC ATP, like most of the rest of the world does. The U.S. also does not have a "Frozen ATPL". You will need the full ATP, that currently requires a minimum of 1500 hours total time, plus a bunch of other requirements, before you can set foot in the right seat of any -121 U.S. airline.

Currently the -121 First Officer can fly with just a Commercial License and an Instrument Rating. Only the Captain currently requires the ATP.

[gcpilot8]

Heard regionals are handing out PIC type ratings instead of SIC; as they used to.
so the new rule = no more SIC type ratings for FOs?

[zondaracer]

Some companies are still handing out SIC type ratings. From what I have seen, (for some companies) if a new hire already has the ATP, then they get a SIC type. If the new hire enters with ATP minimums but not the ATP, then their type rating checkride is also their ATP ride. The issue for not giving the PIC type to guys who already have their ATP when hired is down to training capacity and availability. This varies from company to company, as some companies have been advertising a PIC type as part of getting hired as an incentive.

[MarkerInbound]

Congress passed a law requiring 121 pilots to hold an ATP. They also told the FAA to look at training and licensing standards. The FAA came back with a NPRM and one thing they suggested was that all 121 pilots hold a type in the airplane they are flying. So as of now a type rating will not be required to sit in the right seat come August 2nd.

[Wizofoz]

So as of now a type rating will not be required to sit in the right seat come August 2nd.

Which to most of the rest of the world is utterly amazing. A pilot of an Aircraft not actually qualified to fly it!!

[MarkerInbound]

You confuse the lack of ink on the pilot's certificate with a lack of training. The F/O on a FAA certified airline goes through the same classroom training as the PIC. The only difference is they skip a few items on their checkride, steep turns, no flap landings, a second missed approach and the second engine failure on a 3 or 4 engine plane. In days past the airline held the training records. Now to make ICAO happy the F/O can take those same training records to their local FAA office and have a SIC type rating added to their certificate with no other check than the one given by their airline.

[atpcliff]

The CAA license I had was similar to the US PIC/SIC type ratings. The CAA capts had an ATPL to fly as PIC, while the FOs got an ATPL to fly as SIC.