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tony draper
28th Apr 2013, 20:10
Interesting.:rolleyes:
Transporting the CIA A-12 Blackbird (http://www.roadrunnersinternationale.com/transporting_the_a-12.html)

grumbles69
28th Apr 2013, 20:56
Absolutely fascinating. :D

DX Wombat
28th Apr 2013, 21:03
Certainly is Mr D. :ok:

500N
28th Apr 2013, 21:07
Very good read indeed.

And what is pleasing is that someone took photos on what was
a top secret project.

Milo Minderbinder
28th Apr 2013, 21:09
that photo of the Mobile petrol station brings back a half recollection of seeing another photo somewhere of the convoy actually stuck in the soft sand as it took the shortcut through the station
Can't remember when or where - presumably online - but I've a feeling that some more photos in the set have been released before. I don't think it mentioned what was inside - just some comment about a military load taking a shortcut. It would have been a long long time ago that I saw it -15 or so years

500N
28th Apr 2013, 21:15
Milo

I think you are right.

It is a different photo to the one shown on that web page
of the bogey stuck in the sand.

Milo Minderbinder
28th Apr 2013, 21:49
yeah, what I'm thinking of was a distance / overhead shot of the station with the vehicle to the left of it, stuck.
maybe a TV program about outsize loads?

tony draper
28th Apr 2013, 22:03
Bit of a puzzle to me why they retired that machine and kept the U2 in service?
:confused:

Milo Minderbinder
28th Apr 2013, 22:11
just guessing, but was it because nothing else burnt JP-7?

Lonewolf_50
28th Apr 2013, 23:29
On station time. :cool:

Brian Abraham
29th Apr 2013, 01:16
Bit of a puzzle to me why they retired that machine and kept the U2 in service? Money, or rather the lack of it. U2 doesn't need specially brewed fuel, nor a fleet of tankers for in flight refuelling, and the advent of satellites.

500N
29th Apr 2013, 01:25
And spare parts ?

Didn't someone say that parts were not being made so it was a case
of the other planes became Christmas trees ?

Matari
29th Apr 2013, 03:13
...like the Aurora:

So what was the first sign of the existence of SR-91 Aurora ? On 6 March 1990, one of the United States Air Force’s Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird spyplanes shattered the official air speed record from Los Angeles to Washington’s Dulles Airport. There, a brief ceremony marked the end of the SR-71′s operational career. Officially, the SR-71 was being retired to save the $200-$300 million a year it cost to operate the fleet. Some reporters were told the plane had been made redundant by sophisticated spy satellites.

But there was one problem, the USAF made no opposition towards the plane’s retirement, and congressional attempts to revive the program were discouraged. Never in the history of the USAF had a program been closed without opposition. Aurora is the missing factor to the silent closure of the SR-71 program.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RRbP6fpJWAc/RoEALwp6wYI/AAAAAAAAARQ/MzRKZ7p3kJU/s320/250px-Aurora_concept_AdrianMann_1.jpg

SR-91 Aurora aircraft | Defence Aviation (http://www.defenceaviation.com/2007/06/sr-91-aurora-aircraft.html)

Loose rivets
29th Apr 2013, 03:20
Talking of Groom Lake . . .

Excerpt : The Second Ship, UFO conspiracy thriller by Richard Phillips (http://www.secondship.com/Excerpt/)


Nice premise, shame about the details . . .


Quite good sci-fi though.



One was at Farnbrough c 1983 and walked around something then simply described as a Balckbird. It had just flown the Atlantic in under 4 hours, and was glowing with its infrared sexiness.


Many years later.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Flying/Florida1035.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/walnaze/media/Flying/Florida1035.jpg.html)



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v703/walnaze/Flying/DashboardFlorida1040.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/walnaze/media/Flying/DashboardFlorida1040.jpg.html)

tony draper
29th Apr 2013, 10:42
Someone once posted a good yarn,dont remember the exact details now about someone in a aircraft giving a rather boastful report to Military ATC about his altitude and speed,said ATC knew a SR 71 was passing above the other reportee and requested a report from him,that shut tother buggah up rather swiftly,did a search but cant find it now.
:uhoh:

500N
29th Apr 2013, 11:03
This is the long version of it.

Extract from a Book by an ex SR-71 Pilot:
There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.
It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.
I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury. Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.
We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed.
Center replied: "November Charlie 175, I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground."
Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the "HoustonCenterVoice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the HoustonCenterControllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that... and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.
Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed.
"Ah, Twin Beach: I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed."
Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren.
Then out of the blue, a Navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios.
"Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check."
Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it -- ol' Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet.
And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion:
"Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground."
And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done -- in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now.
I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn. Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet.
Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke:
"Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?"
There was no hesitation, and the reply came as if was an everyday request:
"Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground."
I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice:
"Ah, Center, much thanks. We're showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money."
For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the HoustonCentervoice, when L.A. came back with,
"Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one."
It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day's work.
We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast. For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.

B Fraser
29th Apr 2013, 11:10
I read a good story about an SR-71 calling ATC in Los Angeles and requesting FL700 without giving the aircraft type. The controller joked that if they could get up there then they were cleared. The response was "Thanks, descending to FL700".

I recommend "Beyond The Secret Missions" by Paul F Crickmore. The South American river website delivered it to my doorstep in 20 hours which was quite appropriate. I haven't read it for a few years however I think there are a few good yarns about waking up the "wimmin" of Greenham Common.

MagnusP
29th Apr 2013, 11:15
I'd like to read the Crickmore book, but rainforest is asking the thick end of £100 for a copy. Time to visit my local library, I think.

B Fraser
29th Apr 2013, 11:22
Yikes !!!!

£12.71 on the Bay of E.

:ok:

tony draper
29th Apr 2013, 11:32
Yer that's the one Mr 500N great stuff,Thanks.:ok:

Lon More
29th Apr 2013, 13:25
Wiki, and other sites, report sightings of the SR91 over the North Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)) back in 1989. Rumour had it hat they were using RAF Macrahanish as a staging post with the SAS/Seals/whatever guarding the peninsula.
Flight International published a photo round that time of some unusual contrails (pulse jet?) over the North Sea

B Fraser
29th Apr 2013, 13:37
The tin foil hatters think this type of contrail is unusual.

:ugh:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3535/3887083209_8548251119.jpg

Loose rivets
29th Apr 2013, 15:19
I dropped 500' and flew through one o'they once. It was an almost perfect tunnel, and of course, stopped. Exciting, it were.

Loose rivets
29th Apr 2013, 15:32
Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the "HoustonCenterVoice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the HoustonCenterControllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that... and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere.


From the Bell to that. What an era!

In my book, the protagonist and his crew have taken a hell of a beating in a storm. When they pop out into clear air, they talk to Dreyton, and my man thinks much the same as in the quote above.

Although it takes place c 1970, I had wondered if it sounded a little non-PC. But that's how it was, though I think our guys learned their air-speak from the BBC.

The single hardest thing I had to cope with when I did my ATP, was the RT - Despite spending months at a time in Texas.





edits be blowed. :(

West Coast
29th Apr 2013, 22:25
Thinking back, it's been awhile since any US super secret manned aircraft have emerged from the darkness. The F-117 and B-2 in the late 80's, the mini 117 and that goofy, shipping container looking stealth test bed around the same time are the ones that come to mind. A number of stealthy drones of late have emerged, guess that's gonna have to do. Then again, the F-117's may be flying again, so another opportunity exists. Curious to know why they have it flying again, if indeed it is.

500N
29th Apr 2013, 22:31
One of the best stories I've read involving the SR-71 was the US Libya raid
and I think it was on this forum.

I think as the F-111's were returning it overflew them on it's way in
to photograph.

I'd like to find that thread again, it was a really good one.