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redmtl
27th Apr 2013, 12:12
I am looking for historical info on an old Embraer 110.

I recently visited the now-close BTE airport on Sherbro Island, Sierra Leone. There is a EMB-110P2 rusting away there. I was told it landed there in 2002, something was U/S but it was not economic to fix.
Today kids use it as a see-saw!
It belonged to Inter Tropic Airlines. The MSN is 410 (110410) and the last tail no. was 9L-LBS, 9L-LFS or 9L-LES. Date of manufacture 12-NOV-1981.
I think a previous tail no. was N905??

I can not find any online info about the ownership history of this plane. Can anyone help?
Thanks

barry lloyd
27th Apr 2013, 14:43
A little more background:

ASN Aircraft accident Embraer 110P1 Bandeirante 9L-LBR Freetown-Hastings Airport (HGS) (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20029999-0)

Photos: Embraer EMB-110P1 Bandeirante Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Inter-Tropic-Airlines/Embraer-EMB-110P1-Bandeirante/1457738/L/)

redmtl
27th Apr 2013, 21:56
Thanks Barry.
Unfortunately that is a different aircraft.
The P1 in HGS was 9L-LBR, MSN 110411.
The aircraft I am referring to is a P2 in BTE and the tail no. ends in S (probably 9L-LBS), MSN 110410.
Thanks for your help, though.
Red

Phileas Fogg
28th Apr 2013, 00:27
MSN 110410

VH-XFH Embraer 110 (http://aussieairliners.org/embraer/vh-xfh/vhxfh.html)

DaveReidUK
28th Apr 2013, 08:23
VH-XFH Embraer 110Hmmm.

VH-XFH was later re-registered VH-XFN (still with Flight West), then went to Air Fiji as DQ-LCM. Last reported WFU at Suva in 2006, which doesn't square with it having arrived and been abandoned in Sierra Leone in 2002.

The MSN is 410 (110410) and the last tail no. was 9L-LBS, 9L-LFS or 9L-LES. Date of manufacture 12-NOV-1981.So it seems possible that the quoted MSN is wrong.

There's a photo of it at Bonthe in see-saw mode - it does indeed appear to be 9L-LBS:

http://4.bp.blogXXXspot.com/-V0Ms49C8YNI/T3BIzw1628I/AAAAAAAACT0/27yzSjHbg-o/s1600/Bonthe32.JPG

(remove the XXX from the domain name as PPRuNe won't link directly to Blogsp*t pages)

The Bandit is also visible on Google Earth, at the southern end of the runway..

redmtl
28th Apr 2013, 09:16
Thanks for this.

I may have progress here.

I took this picture of the exposed fuselage wall inside the aircraft cockpit.
http://t.co/sRC0RCA5c9
So, you can see it appears to be c/n 410 (110410), but it's also labelled as a P2, not a P1 (possible mod?).
The other thing that does not match is the fact that it almost definitely had US "N" tail number in the past. I think N905**

c/n 110408 was once owned by "Liberty AL lsd" and had a tail no of N905FB. So how could an aircraft with a tail of 408 be stamped as 410 inside the fuselage?

Any ideas??

Phileas Fogg
28th Apr 2013, 22:42
From Airliners.net

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/8/3/7/1457738.jpg

9L-LBR (cn 110411) Ex PT-SGC/N904FB in a combound next to the main hangar.Abandonned here many years ago because of a damaged right wing.

DaveReidUK
29th Apr 2013, 08:31
The other thing that does not match is the fact that it almost definitely had US "N" tail number in the past. I think N905**That's twice you've said that, but you haven't said why you think so. I'm not discounting that possibility, but it would be interesting to know how you reached that conclusion.

I took this picture of the exposed fuselage wall inside the aircraft cockpit.

c/n 110408 was once owned by "Liberty AL lsd" and had a tail no of N905FB. So how could an aircraft with a tail of 408 be stamped as 410 inside the fuselage?It's not unknown for sub-assemblies (e.g. the nose) to be swapped on the production line. Only the fireproof plate would settle the ID issue, but since my previous post I've found a reference to the real 410 being dismantled in Fiji, so that's looking even less likely.

From Airliners.netThe photo on Airliners.net is a different aircraft, different location !

redmtl
30th Apr 2013, 08:39
N905 is clearly visible underneath the last tail number. The paint job was a poor re-spray over the old paint job. So, I think this is almost certainly 110408 (N905FB), with at least some part of the 110410.

The other clue to that is that the other Inter Topic Airlines (NTT) EMB-110 scrapped in in Sierra Leone (in Hastings as per Airliners.net photo above) was 110411, which was once N904FB (see same photo for same bad paint job showing N904**) and was also purchased by Liberty leasing in 1996. It would seem both were leased by NTT in Sierra Leone.

As for the 110410 SN on the fuselage, it may indeed be a sub assy, but it would be strange for that marking not to have been over-written when the sub-assy was installed at manufacture. Perhaps it was an oversight at manufacture?

It could have been swapped out after manuf, but that is quite rare for a fuselage panel, and it would have had to have been removed from 110410, which would not make sense, as that AC was down in Australia/PNG/Fiji.

Are my assumptions safe?