View Full Version : Sophisticated car break-ins

27th Apr 2013, 12:09
My son lives in Delft, in the Netherlands. For the second time in two months his wife's newish SEAT Ibiza, which is always parked outside the house, has been broken into overnight by thieves using an electronic gadget which immobiles the car's locking and alarm systems and allows them to open it as though they had the key. They then proceed to steal the satnav, stereo and, bizarrely, the air bags. In a night they target a lot of cars in the city, all SEATs, VW Golfs or Skodas, which presumably share the same type of computer.

The police reckon that the gang involved are Eastern European, but the Dutch tend to blame Poles, Latvians etc for all hard to stop crime, and needless to say they are offering no hope of recovering the stuff or preventing a recurrence.

A worrying trend for those who live where secure off street parking is not an option, particularly when the insurance renewal comes around. I've also heard of BMWs being targetted in the same way, but I reckon my 10 year old Vectra is pretty safe!

27th Apr 2013, 12:20
Would it be okay to target the thieves and then shoot them?


Milo Minderbinder
27th Apr 2013, 12:23
Decoder & Opening Tool For BMW & VAG Group Cars - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=q2uv5M-GLo8&feature=endscreen)

Shows you exactly how to do it, what you need, and where to purchase it

27th Apr 2013, 12:37
steal the air bags.
In situ? :confused:

(I would have thought that that would take too long.)

Thieves around here are stealing the exhaust catalysers - and even parts such as doors.

27th Apr 2013, 12:39
it's nothing new.

unfortunately there will remain many vulnerabilities, reverse engineering allows that waht ever had been made secure can be compromised.

the best way to prevent auto-crime is to develop a reputation of being 'right nasty b*stard' in the area.. the kind of person that will probably feed human remains of anyone that crosses them, to a pig farm.

i would guess that the Krays never had a jag nicked.

btw, airbags are a common theft item.. you can buy a garmin in halfords for 120 quid.. what's a used one, with no provenance worth ?

replacement airbags OTH, at least 250 quid from a specialist breaker or 500 quid and in some cases triple that from a main stealer.. and with many 'requirements' stating that airbags have to be changed, used or not, after 'x' you can see where the money is.

if you remember when the regs changed stone chips being an MOT failure and insurance companies pulling windscreen cover off policies, the theft of windscreens went through the roof.

cause and effect.

27th Apr 2013, 12:57
Shows you exactly how to do it, what you need, and where to purchase it

Don't think that would turn off the alarm and i believe would take too long for an opportunist to do. Decoding the lock just takes too long I think what Tankertrashnav's son is experiencing is a much more sophisticated operation.

27th Apr 2013, 13:15
The trick is to make a non-standard mod. Something simple like a time-delay relay between the courtesy lights and a horn: open the door, you have five seconds to turn off the hidden switch...

27th Apr 2013, 15:25
Your insurance company would use that as an excuse to invalidate your cover.

27th Apr 2013, 16:19
Yes that's the worry. Son's wife's insurance was ok the first time, how they are going to react the second time I'm not so sure.

My son is just the sort of bloke to go down the stuckgear route, and I can imagine him planning to sleep in the car with a pickaxe handle. Given the sort of people he will probably be dealing with, and their possible country of origin I really hope he doesn't try and do it himself and leaves it to the police, useless as they are.

27th Apr 2013, 17:05
My son is just the sort of bloke to go down the stuckgear route,

Hah !! TTN,, not my route.. i was just saying the only way of stopping people breaking into your car and stealing stuff is being the kind of person they would be petrified of crossing.. or have a reputation for such.

the only way to prevent stuff being stolen is to remove ease of access.

1. do not leave anything in the car.. this is the stuckgear way. no cd's sat nav or indeed anything on display or left in the car.

2. on of my cars i had a 'micro siren' installed on the inside at the top of the door pillar with the cable hidden. the micro siren emitted a 115db high pitched siren inside the car if it were activated. Powered by the alarm (self powerd so if the battery is disconnected it still runs), so despite nothing being on display to nick.. if they do decide to have a go anyway, the sound is literally unbearable so ease of access is now removed.

3. if someone does have a go, put their face in a woodchipper.

Loose rivets
27th Apr 2013, 20:59
The trick is to make a non-standard mod.

Keef's post brought back the memory of a nice middle-aged couple and their nice middle-aged friends, siting outside the Red Lion in my very early XJ6. One horn was permanently on, and the second horn on/off about once a second. Very distinctive. Had they driven off - unlikely, mine was a manual - they'd have got about 200 yards before the carbs emptied. Simple but small switches behind me yellow duster and gloves.

Funny thing about people: As they got out and walked to their identical car, ( they were very rare then and I suppose they just assumed.) not one of them uttered a word of apology - or come to think about it, any other word.

I would guess so. My son has an automatics only licence has drives a Corsa with the electric clutch system - it will change automatically under computer control, but also up and down on the lever.

27th Apr 2013, 22:34
Thats a good idea Keef - I've forwarded that to him.

Mind you I'm slightly disappointed that you didn't also suggest that he pray that it doesn't happen again ;)

27th Apr 2013, 22:45
I have a 3v. flashing LED red light inserted into the face of the ashtray - powered by 2 AAA batteries in the tray. Electronically disabling the real alarm will not extinguish this light, so the bad guys may think that the alarm will still sound - maybe !

Similarly, I have a label on the motor bike windshield announcing that the bike is security alarmed.

I guess it is like that guy rolling up newspaper pages into little balls and throwing them out of the train window. When asked what he was doing he said he was keeping the lions away. But - there are no lions in Surrey, he was told. Effective, isn't it, he responded.

I've been told not to lock my car with the electronic key, 'cos that is actually a WiFi signal that is picked up by the bad guys in a car nearby, who then clone the signal, open your door, steal the stuff, and re-lock the doors - but then, ask two people and get three answers, so I don't know if this is kosher or not.

The only time I have had my car broken into was near Heathrow, they just smashed the window and lifted my briefcase -yes, I had left it inside, in sight, so of course it was my fault - Police not interested and the Publican " too busy" to look at the car park "security" video. Silly me.

28th Apr 2013, 01:08
Leave your Blue Heeler (Australian Cattle Dog) in the car, with the windows down halfway, just enough for the dog to get his/her head out, but not his/her body.
Anyone who dares to even place their body within bite reach of the window, will soon find a snarling mouthful of large dog teeth embedded in their arm. :)

There's nothing finer as a suitable response for car thieves. :D

We have a Police Dog Squad here, armed with Alsations. Car thieves try to escape after inducing police chases - the Police just follow them with the chopper until they crash or abandon the car and take to foot travel - then they bring in the Dog Squad.

You can hear the scrotes squealing, "call off the dog, call off the dog!!!", as the dog latches onto the scrotes. It brings a big smile to everyones face to hear that lovely sound. :)
They rarely escape once the dog gets onto them. I just love it, it's a pity the dogs aren't trained to chew them up a fair bit as well, rather than just latch onto them. :)

28th Apr 2013, 02:28
Air bags are small, expensive ($300 to $700) and have no serial numbers for tracing them.

Perfect for thieves and their is a big market for them in smash repair shops.

The smash repairers get paid for new air bags by the insurance companies, then buy stolen air bags for half-price. Impossible to detect or prove.

28th Apr 2013, 02:44
Little hidden cut off switches in cars always worked well for me.
Am positive it stopped my car being stolen once.

West Coast
28th Apr 2013, 04:29
Drive a POS with close to 190K miles and its share of road rash and you'll be fine. At times wish someone would nik it so I could upgrade to a car less than a decade old. Now my seldom driven truck on the other hand, well the rebel stickers and gun rack seem to keep it safe.

28th Apr 2013, 04:33
My very first car used to get stolen on a regular basis, it was a bit of a heap, and back in the day petrol was cheap.

All cars are easy to steal, and I think in the OP's case it's an inside job by some employee selling the secret key codes, making the theft even easier.

I've been meaning to do the following to my current vehicle, if and when I get around to it.

Fitting a switch to isolate the RF receiver of the security system is a simple solution, however finding that RF receiver is a bit of a challenge.

Most modern security systems arm the alarm and immobilize the engine as well, even when using the key, so if the RF receiver is off, then all active security devices can only be deactivated the old fashion way - with a physical key. A switch that disables the RF reciever of the security system is a good option when leaving your vehicle out on the street overnight, or parked some place dodgy. The isolation of the RF receiver can be performed at its power supply or its aerial.

Having said that, I found I had left the doors unlocked on my vehicle just a couple of days ago when visiting one of those super-mega-hyper hardware stores.

Loose rivets
28th Apr 2013, 06:54
That quote in my last post was unintended. That was supposed to go to a pal in England that has the same kind of gearbox. It's a Civic, and was sold to him as an automatic. He was about to demand his money back when he found he liked the paddle controlled very fast gear change. Trouble is, when the car is older, no one will know how to service them.

I had intended to replay my description of my Mk10 refusing to be stolen. Parked outside a hotel in Earl's Court, wires were pulled down from the dash, but they hadn't been able to start the car. Next morning, nor could I.

The braid to the points had broken - just by chance - so the car had stopped itself being stolen. I mended it with a bit of flex and got to me ALTP exam in time.


Erwin Schroedinger
28th Apr 2013, 08:06
Sophisticated car break-ins

Solution: Don't buy a sophisticated car.

28th Apr 2013, 08:13
.... "call off the dog, call off the dog!!!", as the dog latches onto the scrotes.
Over in NSW, the dogs are trained to latch onto the arm.:rolleyes: