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Ovation
25th Apr 2013, 07:57
I suppose it takes all kinds.........

BULLHEAD CITY — A self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head has been ruled as the cause of death of an Arizona man whose kit-built airplane crashed Saturday at Laughlin/Bullhead International Airport. “We just received the autopsy results a few hours ago and it indicates Joseph committed suicide before his plane crashed at our airport,” said Emily Fromelt, spokeswoman for the Bullhead City Police Department.


Pilot committed suicide in the air (http://www.mohavedailynews.com/articles/2013/04/23/news/local/doc517643fce64a0055397320.txt)

Alloa Akbar
25th Apr 2013, 08:07
Selfish SOB could have killed somebody else in the process.. what a d:mad:head

BabyBear
25th Apr 2013, 08:18
Selfish SOB right enough, what a waste of an aircraft.:ugh:

BB

Captivep
25th Apr 2013, 08:20
How bizarre. Belt and braces approach, I suppose!

Nervous SLF
25th Apr 2013, 08:22
OR maybe he was murdered but it was made to just look like suicide and the other person parachuted out before the crash? :eek:

Capetonian
25th Apr 2013, 08:39
Not as bad as this though :
BBC News | Africa | Suicide pilot destroys Air Botswana fleet (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/471568.stm)
He took out 75% of the airline's fleet!

P6 Driver
25th Apr 2013, 09:09
Pure speculation of course, but could it have been insurance related - i.e. suicide doesn't pay out, but if it wasn't detected, an aircraft crash might?

Slasher
25th Apr 2013, 11:01
I still remember when this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connellan_air_disaster) happened in the Alice in 1977...

Same report here (http://www.answers.com/topic/connellan-air-disaster) too.

angels
25th Apr 2013, 11:36
Even the dumbest redneck arounbd would know that an autopsy would be held and would discover the genuine cause of death.

I think he was being thorough and, as already mentioned, utterly selfish. He could have killed people on the ground or even those who may have attempted to carry out a rescue.

slash - never heard of that Alice incident. :(

BabyBear
25th Apr 2013, 11:41
Selfish SOB could have killed somebody else in the process.. what a dhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gifhead

I think he was being thorough and, as already mentioned, utterly selfish.

Please tell me these comments are not serious, but tongue very firmly in cheek.

If not do you seriously expect someone so messed up mentally that they are going to kill themselves to be rational enough to consider others?

BB

angels
25th Apr 2013, 11:45
I was being serious.

Someone committing suicide, especially in this way, is being selfish -- whether or not they are aware of it.

BabyBear
25th Apr 2013, 11:50
Exactly and that is why the last thing on their mind is the wellbeing of others.

Or do you expect them to be so mentally disturbed that they will take their own life, but to stop and think oh wait a minute what about others?

BB

AlpineSkier
25th Apr 2013, 12:00
I would certainly expect some people to be completely rational about things "outside" their suicide.

I recall reading of an elderly couple who had decided to kill themselves but wished to spare friend/relatives the trauma of finding them: their solution was to killl themselves on a night-sleeper from Scotland to London and they willed a cash sum to the person finding them as recompense for any shock.

Whether reasonable or not, I always think that the usual type of railway suicides are very selfish: they could easily jump off a multi-storey or something as an alternative.

Ovation
25th Apr 2013, 12:05
I too remember the Connellan incident well, but never knew of the one at YSBK referred to in Wikipedia. Out of morbid curiosity I searched the NTSB database which returned 71 records where suicide got a guernsey. Some were deliberately obvious with a suicide note or having turned the Mother-in-Law's residence into a smoking hole, other similar events with a firearm, another where a passenger deliberately walked into a spinning propeller (and survived), and there were one or two where passengers simply undid their seat belt and made an in-flight exit.

I also recall incident here in Australia maybe 15 years ago where this fellow flew a light aircraft to attend the funeral of his estranged or ex-wife being held in some coastal city or town, then after the service headed south over water towards Antarctica, never to be seen again.

Alloa Akbar
25th Apr 2013, 12:26
I was serious.. We all have problems, but if you want to top yourself, why not do the old bottle of pills, or hose-pipe from car exhaust thing?? Leaping off tall buildings or incidents like this smell of attention seeking.. "Look at me world, now I'm gone its all your fault, bet you are sorry now"..

Curious Pax
25th Apr 2013, 12:32
they could easily jump off a multi-storey or something as an alternative.

Not a guaranteed success - friend of a friend did that and lived to tell the tale. His legs were pretty mashed up, but no head injuries as far as I am aware, so presume he landed the wrong way up (from the point of view of the person trying to kill themselves).

This was probably 15 years ago now, and as far as I am aware he didn't try again, but instead got a divorce and spent the intervening time in bars and casinos!

OFSO
25th Apr 2013, 12:44
I had a friend here who drank herself to death before she was 60, just pouring spirits down every day, never ate, just muttering how "the whole world is sh*t". A nice person when sober (but that was rare) and we all miss her.

Suicide is a form of mental illness. Don't expect rationality.

G-CPTN
25th Apr 2013, 15:11
Out of morbid curiosity I searched the NTSB database which returned 71 records where suicide got a guernsey.
the phrase to get a guernsey or be given a guernsey, meaning to win selection for a sporting team. In a widening of this sense, the phrase came to mean 'to win selection, recognition, approbation', and is commonly used in non-sporting contexts.From:- Meanings and origins of Australian words and idioms (http://andc.anu.edu.au/australian-words/meanings-origins?field_alphabet_value=121).

dazdaz1
25th Apr 2013, 15:19
Where I live, it's unbelievable the amount of people who jump off Beachy Head in East Sussex. Must be about 5-10 each year. If I was going to 'top myself' I'd throw myself into a commercial meat mincer and really screw the supermarkets up:eek:

Daz

Checkboard
25th Apr 2013, 18:33
I knew about the Alice Springs thing, because the station engineer there for Ansett had terrible burn scars up one arm. I asked about the scars and he told me the story (he was in the hangar when the aircraft hit).

He had some VERY nasty words to say about the suicide pilot. :uhoh:

tony draper
25th Apr 2013, 18:46
Before North Sea Gas life(and Death) were simple,a pillow, a shilling for the gas meter, stick pillow in oven, lay head on same,turn on gas, mission accomplished,no mess to clear up and if the finder lit a ciggy to calm his nerves the resulting bang would singe his eyebrows not remove half the street.
Good honest home grown Coal Gas,bring it back I say.
:)

500N
25th Apr 2013, 18:59
dazdaz

I think if the true numbers of people who killed themselves were known,
jumping from places like you mentioned or bridges, they would be
horrified.

We have a bridge here in Melbourne called the West gate bridge.
Numerous jumpers every month but like most places in the world
the media were asked not to publicize it.

That was until some father threw his two kids off before jumping
himself and then all hell broke loose. Money was found for high
barriers.

Re Alice
I remember reading about that a long time ago.

TWT
25th Apr 2013, 21:17
The guy didn't throw all his kids off or himself 500N.Just his young daughter.Not that it changes much.

Dad gets life for 'horrible' bridge murder - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-04-11/dad-gets-life-for-horrible-bridge-murder/2622102)

500N
25th Apr 2013, 21:24
OK, thanks

I knew the other kids were involved and though he did 2 out of 3
but was obviously wrong.

As you say, it doesn't change much.

3holelover
25th Apr 2013, 22:50
Or do you expect them to be so mentally disturbed that they will take their own life, but to stop and think oh wait a minute what about others?
That's always worked for me. ...else I'd 've vacated this planet long ago.:suspect:

Hydromet
26th Apr 2013, 02:06
Daughter's FIL had a patient who was under a bloke who jumped from a building. She cushioned his fall so he had no permanent injuries, but she was permanently crippled.

Selfish bastard.

mickjoebill
26th Apr 2013, 02:51
lay head on same,turn on gas, mission accomplished,no mess to clear up and if the finder lit a ciggy to calm his nerves the resulting bang would singe his eyebrows not remove half the street.

Attended the scene of a gas explosion in the UK years ago.
Bloke laying outside a terrace house, badly injured singed and bloody, one shoe missing but still wearing spectacles, such is the chaos of an explosion.
He was mentally ill and possibly a little drunk. He had decided to gas himself, turned on gas heater in the sitting room and lay down on the couch and then dozed off, but apparently there was a draught in the house.
He woke up some time later in a happier frame of mind and apparently had forgotten he was in the process of ending his life.
He felt a little groggy so lit a cigarette....

Blast blew him outside through the window. Initially conscious he later died of internal injuries.

Mickjoebill

probes
26th Apr 2013, 07:19
I still remember when this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connellan_air_disaster) happened in the Alice in 1977...

so 9/11 wasn't an original idea, then.

angels
26th Apr 2013, 07:47
Jazz - this is JB, live with it or scarper.

I feel qualified to talk about that dark place as I have seen the inside of a couple of secure bins as a patient. One Flew out of the Cuckoos Nest has got it spot on. The black humour was one of the things that helped me get through the despair.

As a result of my experiences, in my spare time, I do some work to try and help others that are mentally ill.

But it doesn't stop me having a black sense of humour.

Lon More
26th Apr 2013, 08:25
IIRC there was an incident similar to the Alice one in the States. (ex-employee attacked the flight deck crew with the fire axe?)
Also found this (http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/post/2012/07/delta-connection-skywest-jet-incident-utah/806087/1), but at least he did it on the ground.

Nervous SLF
26th Apr 2013, 09:42
Lots of unhappiness re this car advert. :yuk:

Hyundai Suicidal Ad - YouTube

Fliegenmong
26th Apr 2013, 09:52
I used to read the security logs of some large residential estates our company once looked after....gated communities popular with ex Yarpies, as they are unaware that in Oz you don't actually need to live behind razor wire.....but the logs would often record an event as a 'Seizure'....talking once to one of the builders, he'd lent his house to a mate whilst he was in FNQ., came back to find said mate in car, very much deceased......maybe only a day or two apparently, but the car was a write off...... then again would you want to drive it again??

And on a morbid related theme....

https://plus.google.com/+YesIKnowThat/posts/dxhxxdxuksn

Does that link work?? I pulled into a car park today strewn with rubbish, and somehow my eye was drawn to that image, printed on a discarded ciggy packet.....shocked the bejesus out of me, is that really him just 10 weeks earlier?? I used to smoke......A LOT!......I love the smell of a cigarette, and would love one now, but now I do not smoke, and haven't for ages...still worry though that one day........will all those smoked in the distant past come back to haunt me?? :uhoh::{....as an ex smoker, I remember what it was like, and I am not sure if that image would have made me quit.....but today as an ex smoker, I am horrified..... :eek::{:sad: