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boaccomet4
23rd Apr 2013, 21:15
My last post was designed to provoke discussion. It was about the inappropriate behaviour patterns of a minority of Check Captains. Now let us look at the Human Factor's Side. Let us nuture them and ourselves.

Each of us is doing the best we can to survive. Our method of operating in this world is driven by our Ego and from our experiences during our formative years up through to our teens. We all have our own unique gifts and we also have our own flaws - some of which we may not be conciously aware of.

If you experience agressive behaviour from another team member or have even noticed yourself behaving that way then you or the other person may just be in survival mode, doing your best to survive in this world and not even aware of what is lurking in the subconcious mind that is actually driving that behaviour.

Let us now treat the Check Captain with compassion. This also can be applied to other team members in a position of Command, Departmental Manager, Check Captains, CASA FOI's and independant ATO's etc. and any team member that is in charge of Training and Assessment and of course yourself!!

The development of the ego takes place from the ealiest times of our development right up to our teens. So we develop behavioural methods that help us to survive that may or may not be seen as appropriate by others. Yet we ourselves may not be aware that our behaviour is not constructive and also not aware of what is driving it.

Whenever a basic need is not met ( or inappropriately met), it results in some form of psychological wounding. This wounding can result from either real or imagined situations.

Then two things may happen:

1. A deccision is made about how the world is (our reality)

2. There is a behaviour response in the form of either resistance or submission.

This locks us into behaviour patterns which in many cases have their basis in early childhood.

It would well be that you're actions and reactions to various situations in life are being run by bad experiences you had early on in life that are now buried in your subconcious mind and that you are not aware of what is triggering this behaviour.

Be aware the each of us is doing the best we can to survive in life generally and especially in our career. We may be acting appropriately or inappropriately and yet not even aware of what is driving that.

What about the Check Captain who appears to be aggressive and unreasonable? Is he really aware of why he or she is behaving that way? That person may have had a really abusive childhood and has learnt that the only way to be in control is by using fear as a method of survival so that they themselves will not be in a position where they are not in control. Yet their lives may well be run by something that is still in their subconcious mind that they had long forgotton. Something that wounded them when they were very young. Yet they are doing the best they can because they don't know any other way.

LET US GIVE THEM SOME HELP AND COMPASSION.

How about Departmental Managers and Human Resources departments set up a means of indepent councelling or therapy for any team member is demonstrating inappropriate behaviour.

In my case I was compulsivly spending time looking after other people's needs and totally forgot about my own needs and paid the price for it. Thus I sought some feedback and now have a choice around how I react to various challenges in life.

I myself have looked at ways of improving how I survive and operate in this world and have sort out means of getting feedback by enrolling in an online course that was inexpensive and yet extremely valuable. Very simple - you log into the site, answer the questionare and then get the feedback in the form of possibilities. You are not judged but you can choose which from the list of options that you think may be your own unique gifts and also your possible flaws. Then it gives you methods by which you can change. You can also ask for a "Change Agent" to assist if you need further guidance or even therapy.

I do not run any of these companies nor am I here to promote them.

But I have benefited from being made aware of the possibilities of why I operate the way I do, my possible good traits and the things that trigger me to operate inappropriately and now I have a choice of changing my responses to things that press my buttons.

If any of you would like some suggestions on where to go and look for these courses then send me a message and I will discreetly give you some options.

LET US TREAT EACH OTHER WITH COMPASSION

REMEMBER TO LOOK AFTER YOURSELF ASWELL

There are a number of self help courses on the internet. The best one is Australian owned, is not expensive and non confrontational.

MAYBE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FAILURE - IT IS FEEDBACK.

WE ALL HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AT SOME POINT.

boaccomet4
23rd Apr 2013, 21:27
Sorry people there are some spelling errors. How do I find spell check on this system?

halfmanhalfbiscuit
23rd Apr 2013, 21:36
I think the easiest way to spell check is cut and paste into Word.

All the best for your threads. The bullying one got some serious interest.

Mach E Avelli
23rd Apr 2013, 21:39
Ego and piloting go hand-in-glove. The problem arises when pilots get elevated to positions of power a bit too rapidly for their own good. And have too much power. What is the saying? "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Rather than compassion and understanding (they are big boys and girls), I think checkers and trainers need regular meetings and forums with others from OUTSIDE their own airlines. Too often a 'culture' develops within organizations where they think that they have a mandate on how aviation should be conducted. Much of the criticism levelled at former inmates of the Ansett system may be justified, but when you consider how young pilots were brainwashed to believe that 'the Ansett way' was the best in the world, it is little wonder that some of the graduates of that system got out of control when turned loose on the wider industry.

Recently, I watched that brilliant video entitled 'Children of the magenta' done by a US Airlines Captain. As well as highlighting the dangers of over-reliance on automation and a plea for a return to basic airmanship, it concedes that the blame for a particular 'culture' rests with the organization that creates these mindsets in the first place. That kind of thing should be mandatory viewing for anyone flying modern aircraft.

my oleo is extended
23rd Apr 2013, 22:51
Gold!!!! Compassion for CAsA FOI's as well!!
I love it! Perhaps even compassion for the one in Brisbane who struts around like a prize peacock while wearing RM Williams boots, shirts and belts and is notorious for bullying industry and other FOI's ??
Oh man, too funny too funny :ok:

neville_nobody
24th Apr 2013, 02:59
What about the Check Captain who appears to be aggressive and unreasonable? Is he really aware of why he or she is behaving that way? That person may have had a really abusive childhood and has learnt that the only way to be in control is by using fear as a method of survival so that they themselves will not be in a position where they are not in control. Yet their lives may well be run by something that is still in their subconcious mind that they had long forgotton. Something that wounded them when they were very young. Yet they are doing the best they can because they don't know any other way.

So why do they get promoted? People with these sort of problems should not be in charge!

I find it astounding how people in aviation who in other industries wouldn't last 5 minutes seem to move to the top of the tree

ramble on
24th Apr 2013, 03:23
Oleo,

Give us a clue - initials? age?

my oleo is extended
24th Apr 2013, 04:03
ramble on, PM sent.
One thing I can tell you is that he was moved to projects around 10 months ago. That is standard CAsA 101 treatment for employees who have had complaints made against them to HR and there is substance to it.
One of Terry's mate in Melbourne has also been moved into a project role for the same reason. They have been doing this for years. CAsA dont fire people, they move you around or shove you in a corner until you finally leave! It's all part of the spin and manipulation of the system.

amos2
24th Apr 2013, 07:50
Nigel, obviously, has too much time on his hands and, obviously, needs help!
52?...more like 82, methinks...or perhaps a 30 yr old S...t A..! ;););)

Centaurus
24th Apr 2013, 12:56
LET US GIVE THEM SOME HELP AND COMPASSION.

How about Departmental Managers and Human Resources departments set up a means of indepent councelling or therapy for any team member is demonstrating inappropriate behaviour.


Personally I am not into this warm and fuzzy psychobabel. I know former military pilots who were known loud-mouths for years in their service career and only got worse in their civil aviation jobs.

For example: Many years ago, I joined DCA after many thoroughly enjoyable years flying in the RAAF.

One day after after I was tucked behind my desk in DCA Head Office and having earlier being politely informed of my true place in the heirarchy (at the bottom of the totem pole), I was asked by a couple of management big wheels did I know a certain chap in the RAAF who had applied to join DCA as an Examiner of Airmen. Yes, I did know him but as he was with another squadron, not all that well. . That's good, they said - what do you think of him?

I hesitated and said I had never flown with him but he was probably a very good pilot. We couldn't care less about very good pilots -we want an Examiner of Airmen, was the reply. Come on now, said the Inquisitors, you are hiding something. Not so said I (well I was, but didn't want to cruel anyone). Listen said the No 1 Inquisitor, how can we recruit the best people when we cannot get a handle of what people thought of him in his last job. You have a duty to be straight with us.

Now if I had just shut up and said `no comment` that would have been the end of the matter and they would have assumed the worst ie the candidate had a personality problem (which in fact he certainly had)

In the end I was leaned on heavily for an opinion and said "Look here chaps - I have never flown with him and I am sure he is a fine upstanding fellow with a good record as an officer and a gentleman, but around my neck of the woods he was seen as bit of a friendly idiot" I meant that in a jocular fashion but that was the end of the interview.

The Inquisitors seemed happy with that because they hired him soon after as an Examiner of Airmen RPT - (as it was known then). I was gob-smacked because I knew they would have a problem eventually with him. Yet, on the other hand, I was relieved my joking reference to a friendly idiot hadn't cruelled him.

Turned out the same fellow was a disaster as an Examiner of Airmen. Arrogance and nit-picking was his problem. So much so, that a couple of years later I happened to invited to the jump seat of an civil airliner Melbourne to Perth. As I was sipping a coffee and chatting to the two pilots, the captain turned around and said seeing as you are in DCA, do you happen to know an Examiner called XXXX? Yes I know of him, I said. Why do you ask? Well next time you see him, said the captain - him tell him if he gets aboard my aircraft ever again I will personally punch his lights out because he is an arrogant pr..k

Perhaps all the friendly idiot needed to straighten himself out was help and compassion? :ok:

TANUA
24th Apr 2013, 13:04
boaccomet4

You need to think about joining a library & leaving this forum:zzz:

Compylot
24th Apr 2013, 13:41
Well I believe that prior to and after each sim the Check Captain and candidates should be encouraged to participate in a group hug.

Get rid of the formal training environment, replace the sterile desks and chairs with bean bags and pillows so the debrief can be conducted on the floor cross legged and comfortable.

boaccomet4
25th Apr 2013, 04:28
It is interesting how you suggest I should join a library when all I am doing is trying to promote a healthy discussion on something that is affecting the industry.

Might I suggest that you have the potential to become an anesthetist because quite frankly you are putting me to sleep.

But then if you so mined enquine then I suggest you try a Saigon Screwdriver - what in Vietnam they called a Vodka and Agent Orange.

Go seek the services of a taxidermist.

boaccomet4
25th Apr 2013, 04:34
Well if we are now sending up the situation then lets have some more fun. The QF and Jetstar cadets could probably join in on a male bonding session and have a game of soggy SAO. - HeHE

TANUA
25th Apr 2013, 10:42
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boaccomet4

A one liner from me on your post being "Ho Hum" & you respond with a paragraph & possibly a racial slur?

Could you confirm the following before we go any further- as you veracity- may be in doubt. You are 52 years of age & yet have 40 plus years in the Industry & also retired.

You must have had a very early start & a meteoric career to satisfy those stats. Cheers:suspect:

boaccomet4
25th Apr 2013, 17:50
About boaccomet4 - aklways wanted to fly one
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Biography VISCOUTNT,FOKKER,DC3, B707,DC8,B747,1011,CONCORDER,BAC11 TRIDENT 2 & 3
Industy experience 40+ years - 1970 UNTIL NOW
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The Welfare of dedicated aviation professionals- albsolute must - very passionate about it.
Retired but always there for crew who need to call me for advice and TLC
Doing my bucket list at the moment - just don't know how long


We all need to work as a team- Let us enjoy workig together,].

VH-FTS
25th Apr 2013, 18:55
Kids, let the above posts demonstrate why one shouldn't drink then pprune!