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grumbles69
23rd Apr 2013, 16:36
The Court of Appeal has refused the government permission to take its fight to remove Abu Qatada from the UK to the Supreme Court.

Home Secretary Theresa May had wanted the UK's top court to overturn a decision by a lower court to halt the cleric's deportation.

Mrs May could still petition the Supreme Court for an appeal directly.

The cleric faces retrial on terrorism-related charges in Jordan. Labour said Mrs May's strategy had failed.

What the hell is wrong with people?
This Guy and his sponging family hate us. Why can't we rid ourselves of this trash?

SOPS
23rd Apr 2013, 16:40
So you have a person, that hates the country that he loves to sponge off, at I assume, huge expense, but he can't be gotten rid of? The world has truly gone mad. I just hope the huggy fluff tree huggers are happy!!!

crewmeal
23rd Apr 2013, 17:03
Yet again judges of all sorts proving they support terroism by protecting this vile creep. They have no concerns about the human righs of the victims whether here or in Jordan. Another example of this useless UK government pandering to Europe.

AlpineSkier
23rd Apr 2013, 17:31
Can anyone tell me why he cannot be deported to Jordan ? As far s I have read, Jordan has agreed not to torture him, nor use testimony gained under torture. If that is the case why not get rid of the tosser ? Is it the case thatt the judges say that they don't believe Jordan's assurances and if so, is that legal if the government accepts them ?

Mariner9
23rd Apr 2013, 17:53
No point blaming the judges. Does anyone truly believe British Judges would do anything other than follow the law in passing their judgement? What possible agenda could they have for wanting an undesirable to stay?

Hamza can't be deported because the laws of this country. Laws which were made by the politicians.

If May wants to deport him, she should get the law changed instead of complaining about the judiciary

Sailor Vee
23rd Apr 2013, 17:54
Is this an example of double standards, yet again?

We extradite an older businessman and a computer nerd fairly easily. But, of course that involved the USA and not Jordan!

rgbrock1
23rd Apr 2013, 18:07
Mariner9:

The laws of your country state that it's okay to allow an avowed terrorist to live there? A terrorist with ties to Al Qaeda as well?
And said terrorist and family should live the life of leisure at the taxpayers' expense?

Wow. This really is.... The Twilight Zone.

1DC
23rd Apr 2013, 18:13
rgbrock.. No it's called socialism, Obummer will get you there eventually....

angels
23rd Apr 2013, 19:13
Sorry 1DC, but what on earth has this got to do with socialism? Do you really think the judges are left wing nutters? The judges I've met are generally to the right of Norman Tebbit.

It's called an independent judiciary.

I think the judgement is crap as well.

Mr Chips
23rd Apr 2013, 19:19
I'm STILL curious as to which specific law is preventing this deportation...

1DC
23rd Apr 2013, 19:25
Angels.. I'm not blaming the Judges, it's the Human Rights Acts that the Judges are applying that is the problem. The socialists signed it,in full..

500N
23rd Apr 2013, 19:31
I am stunned. You can't even get rid of a terrorist.
Nearly as bad as Aus with not being able to ship
back Asylum seekers.

"it's the Human Rights Acts that the Judges are applying
that is the problem. The socialists signed it,in full."

God help the world if this is where we are heading.

tony draper
23rd Apr 2013, 19:39
Judges have been in a willy waving contest with government for a couple of centuries,they like to show their independence and separation from Government and the wishes of the great unwashed by doing exactly the opposite to the wishes of same.
It's a few of the wig wearers we need to be shot of.
:suspect:

11Fan
23rd Apr 2013, 19:39
God help the world

I get the feeling He's given up already.

Mariner9
23rd Apr 2013, 20:20
The laws of your country state that it's okay to allow an avowed terrorist to live there?

No. However they do specify the requirements for extradition, and several judges have agreed that the law currently says he cant be extradited.

I think 99.99% of Brits would say that law is wrong. Only the politicians can change the law, but apparently they would rather complain about the judiciary rather than do their job properly.

Tankertrashnav
23rd Apr 2013, 20:48
What always mystifies me is there is apparently sufficient evidence to charge and try Abu Qatada in this country, with a fair chance of conviction. I don't know the details, but apparently our lot are reluctant to do this as it would mean those giving evidence for the prosecution would have to reveal facts which would be harmful to our intelligence services.

As the events which he is accused of took place around ten years ago, I cant believe that this argument really holds water anymore, so why don't we stop this whole business and try him in our own courts and send him down for once and for all.

Tony - can't agree with you. In a contest between the judiciary and the politicans I know who I'd be getting rid of first. As someone said, if this lot dont like our adherence to human rights legislation then they should get rid of it. Trouble is even if you found enough Conservative MPs to back you the Liberals and Labour would oppose you to a man, so until we get a large Tory majority again (unlikely anywhere in the near future) we're stuck with these laws, and no amount of moaning at judges will alter that situation.

RedhillPhil
23rd Apr 2013, 21:50
Are these Immigration Judges? It's my understanding that Immigration Judges are little more than what used to be Stipendary Magistrates - what are now referred to as District Judges.

Mr Chips
23rd Apr 2013, 21:57
can someone PLEASE explain on what grounds the judges say he can't be extradited?

Nervous SLF
23rd Apr 2013, 22:02
I seem to remember that a lot of people thought that Lord Lucans friends smuggled him out of the UK by using a private aircraft.
Surely there must be some very wealthy chap who could get some more chaps to do the same with this scumbag ?
If someone gets on an aircraft which takes them to a country that doesn't want that person he is put on a return flight and the airline becomes
unpopular and gets a heavy fine. Well Jordan really want him so any airline which drops this scumbag off would be praised.

tony draper
23rd Apr 2013, 22:10
I understand if we did stick him on a RAF Transport and dump him on a runway in Jordan there is buggah all the court in Europe could do about it,except send a strong note of disapproval.
:uhoh:

500N
23rd Apr 2013, 22:13
When he protests, how about opening the doors at
10,000 feet over the channel and letting him out.

Solve everyone's problems.

hellsbrink
24th Apr 2013, 03:37
Great idea, 500N, then the UK gets nailed by the EU for dropping a load of shit into the sea.

Drop him over land, no sea pollution and he'll be good fertiliser.

crewmeal
24th Apr 2013, 05:22
I understand if we did stick him on a RAF Transport and dump him on a runway in Jordan there is buggah all the court in Europe could do about it,except send a strong note of disapproval.

This Prime Minister and Home Secretary have not got the guts to do that. Have they gone down the road of finding out what would happen if they did just that? I doubt it. I seem to recall Italy and France deporting suspected terrorists and no one complained. Again remember the winners here are human rights lawyers who take the case to various courts and gain thousands for themselves at the taxpayers expense.

500N
24th Apr 2013, 05:27
crewmeal

I remember something about it. I think some lefties complained
but after that, nothing.

UK pollies haven't got the balls.

ORAC
24th Apr 2013, 07:22
can someone PLEASE explain on what grounds the judges say he can't be extradited? Abu Qatada: Judgement shows May never stood a chance (http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2013/03/27/abu-qatada-judgement-shows-may-never-stood-a-chance)

Capetonian
24th Apr 2013, 07:37
In South Africa he'd have slipped in the shower, fallen out of a fifth floor window, or fallen whilst being interrogated and cracked his head open against a desk. Problem solved.

It happens under the new regime too, it wasn't just the old one that got rid of people that way.

1DC
24th Apr 2013, 08:27
Crewmeal..I believe that the likes of France,Spain and Italy can deport their illegals/terrorists more easily than us is because when they signed the Human Rights Act they excluded certain sections to ensure that they had sovereignty over the decisions. I think that the UK was the only member of the EU that signed the full content 0f the Act with no exceptions ands that is why we have the problems today.I am not absolutely certain on this but it is what i was told and if true a crazy decision..

angels
24th Apr 2013, 09:15
In South Africa he'd have slipped in the shower, fallen out of a fifth floor window, or fallen whilst being interrogated and cracked his head open against a desk. Problem solved.

Yes, that's solved that one, whether or not 'the problem' was guilty or innocent.

This is why Europe is a safer place to live.

Because of odious behaviour like that we have to have human rights legislation to protect us from the sort of scumbags that decide they are the judge and jury.

Unfortunately, due to loopholes that same legislation can protect those who, at the behest of their lawyers, abuse these rights.

Capetonian
24th Apr 2013, 09:19
Yes, that's solved that one, whether or not 'the problem' was guilty or innocent.
So you think Abu Qatada might be innocent.

This is why Europe is a safer place to live.
When the rights of terrorists and preachers of hate overrule the rights of the majority of decent, sane, law-abiding people the place is safer.

Got it. Thank you so much for the clarification.

crewmeal
24th Apr 2013, 09:44
If Lord Haw Haw was alive today it makes you wonder how he would be treated. Benefits? House? Same as Abu Qatada?

PLovett
24th Apr 2013, 10:27
Geezus, some of you lot need to review the principles of the Westminster system and the separation of powers. With what you are suggesting I really don't think you would like the result or perhaps you would have welcomed Hitler with open arms because you are suggesting a totalitarian system. :ugh:

MagnusP
24th Apr 2013, 10:46
Well, given that the problem stems from European legislation and how it drove our domestic legislation, perhaps we already are.

BillHicksRules
24th Apr 2013, 13:10
Mr Chips,

Try researching the issue yourself as opposed to demanding we spoonfeed you.:mad::mad:

Evanelpus
24th Apr 2013, 14:08
Jordan has agreed not to torture him

He should be so lucky!

She's just married a male stripper years younger than her, the :mad: that is Qatada has no chance.:ok:

stuckgear
24th Apr 2013, 14:55
If Lord Haw Haw was alive today it makes you wonder how he would be treated. Benefits? House? Same as Abu Qatada?


Management position at the BBC and a column in the Grauniad.

stuckgear
24th Apr 2013, 14:57
Talking of Jordan not agreeing to torture the POS, is this considered torture under international protocol?

http://bks6.books.google.co.uk/books?id=dah9YeeaPUwC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&imgtk=AFLRE703a0xodVN_wXhm9CBysD0m19sVUvv5y1n4iGkpkXVSXenyxT tox_Rr3vtjcV5xYIdiIroQ0F4y1xzEvRvKqc0ClSYnx2dA8GmyAerGpejuWV PVQlrPulNiauXUrW4XJOohRM6f

grumbles69
24th Apr 2013, 17:07
Stuckgear

That's just nasty. He hasn't done anything that bad!:D
Why threaten him with that?

rgbrock1
24th Apr 2013, 17:27
Must be a British thing but this Katie Price photo goes way over my head. Is there something we haven't been told?

tony draper
24th Apr 2013, 17:31
I wonder if some citizen walked up to that bearded scumbag and wacked him over the head with a four pound lump hammer sending him on his way if any jury in the country would find them guilty.
:rolleyes:

hellsbrink
24th Apr 2013, 17:41
Must be a British thing but this Katie Price photo goes way over my head. Is there something we haven't been told?

Her "modelling" (aka, getting her norks out for money) name was "Jordan", hence the jokes.

Acksherly, when you think about it, being locked in a room with her talking to you for hours would be at the very least a "cruel and unusual punishment" and if she got the silicone-filled funbags out and started smacking you across the face and head with them...............

Mr Chips
24th Apr 2013, 21:08
BillHicksRules thank you for such a friendly post.

Considering how many posters had blamed the Judges/the MPs/The EU I thought it perfectly reasonable to ask the question.

in terms of Try researching the issue yourself as opposed to demanding we spoonfeed you this is a discussion forum, so we discuss things.

I suggest that in future you Google everything, and go to a pub if you want a discussion. Clearly an internet forum doesn't suit you.

Orac thank you

vee-tail-1
24th Apr 2013, 22:14
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj71/vee-tail-1/harriergoodbye_zps6da042de.jpg

Well this is how I feel about the ECHR our judiciary, and above all the pathetic T May. :\

dead_pan
25th Apr 2013, 08:44
Pure comedy gold:

Abu Qatada stays, everyone else goes, rules government | NewsBiscuit (http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2013/04/24/abu-qatada-stays-everyone-else-goes-rules-government/)

sitigeltfel
25th Apr 2013, 08:52
Someone suggested that Parliament should rescind the Human Rights legislation for a few hours in order to debate it, stuff him into the back of a plane, and once he arrives in Jordan, reinstate it.

Sneaky, but effective ;)

No doubt a m'learned friend would find some way to make more money out of it.

Doors to Automatic
25th Apr 2013, 09:11
There is one clear way to put a stop to this nonsense and that is to give the Tories a majority in 2015.

But with 40% or so still supporting that arrogant out-of-touch sneering Marxist idiot you can be sure that stupidity like this will go on and on and on.

Capetonian
25th Apr 2013, 09:14
There is one clear way to put a stop to this nonsense and that is to give the Tories a majority in 2015
But with 40% or so still supporting that arrogant out-of-touch sneering Marxist idiot you can be sure that stupidity like this will go on and on and on.


It does seem that the naivety and ignorance of the UK electorate is boundless.
In respect of that, see this post:

http://www.pprune.org/7810314-post4511.html post 4511

ricardian
26th Apr 2013, 11:57
Here's a handy petition (https://submissions.epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/47043/signature/new)

rgbrock1
26th Apr 2013, 15:23
I see that over yonder 3 "British Islamists" have been jailed for an AQ-blessed suicide bombing which was supposed to be much more deadly than the underground/subway and bus bombings of 2005.

The three culprits had planned on using 8 rucksacks filled with explosives to initiate the attack, and then use timers on other devices in crowded places.

I guess I don't have to tell y'all what should be done with these three.

Tankertrashnav
26th Apr 2013, 15:46
Well you could, but you're about 48 years too late for it to have any point.


2012 – The following 21 countries are believed by Amnesty International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amnesty_International) to have carried out executions in 2012: Afghanistan (14), Bangladesh (1), Belarus (3+), China (1000+), Gambia (9), India (1), Iran (314+), Iraq (129+), Japan (7), North Korea (6+), Pakistan (1), Palestinian Authority (6), Saudi Arabia (79+), Somalia (6+), South Sudan (5+), Sudan (19+), Taiwan (6), UAE (1), USA (43), Yemen (28+).[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country#cite_note-amnesty.org-5)


Only 43? Come on, you're not even trying!

Capetonian
28th Apr 2013, 09:47
Home Office fury as drug dealer immigrant wins right to stay in UK - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/10023002/Home-Office-fury-as-drug-dealer-immigrant-wins-right-to-stay-in-UK.html)

Another one. Sounds like a nice sort of chap. Give him a few thousands of taxpayers' money and let him stay.

I tend to think that the introduction of Sharia law in the UK might be a good thing as it would rid society permanently of people like this.

A judge's decision to allow a convicted drug dealer who abandoned his children the right to stay in Britain over his “human rights” is at the centre of mounting political protest.

He convinced a judge he had a “family life” which had to be respected because he had a “genuine” relationship with a British woman – despite already having two children by different women with whom he now has no contact.

Ali also mounted an extraordinary claim that his life would be in danger in his native Iraq because he was covered in tattoos, including a half-naked Western woman – a claim which was only dismissed after exhaustive legal examination.

Ali was brought to Britain “irregularly” by a people-smuggling gang in 2000, when he was 24, and has never been in this country legally. Two years after arriving he made an asylum claim which was refused, as was a subsequent appeal. However, for reasons which are unknown, he was not deported and continued to live in Britain.

In November 2005 he was convicted of possessing Class A and Class C drugs, and fined.

Just over a year later he was convicted of another offence at Snaresbrook Crown Court in London but this time it was more serious – possessing Class A drugs with intent to supply – and he was jailed for four years. Under immigration laws any foreign national jailed for a year or more should be subject to automatic deportation.

RedhillPhil
28th Apr 2013, 10:09
And all it does is to send out the message, "come to Britain". Subsidised housing, free health care and the right to stay if you're a scumbag. All you have to do is to impregnate a U.K. citizen (we used to be subjects).

Capetonian
30th Apr 2013, 06:30
I don't have much time for the French, but I do respect the way they look after themselves and their own national interests, and put up two fingers at conventions and rules. For this, if for little else, they are to be greatly admired and it's a pity and a disgrace that the UK doesn't follow the example.

France shows us how to deal with jihadis - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10025512/France-shows-us-how-to-deal-with-jihadis.html)

cdtaylor_nats
30th Apr 2013, 06:48
Why don't they just ask the French to issue a European arrest warrant, then they can deport him to Jordan?

stuckgear
30th Apr 2013, 07:25
France shows us how to deal with jihadis - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10025512/France-shows-us-how-to-deal-with-jihadis.html)

ORAC
6th Jul 2013, 07:04
Final preparations underway for long-awaited Abu Qatada deportation to Jordan (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10163112/Final-preparations-underway-for-long-awaited-Abu-Qatada-deportation-to-Jordan.html)

Security officials are due to accompany Abu Qatada on his long-anticipated deportation to Jordan today, with the extremist preacher being taken straight to prison when he arrives in the Arab kingdom.

Final preparations for the flight were underway after an eight year saga to remove the man once described by a judge as “Osama bin Laden’s right-hand man in Europe”. It is understood Qatada will be driven directly from Belmarsh high security prison, in south-east London, to RAF Northolt, about 24 miles away in north-west London, some time tonight (SAT).........

Officials face a tense final few hours before the aircraft takes off, because Qatada’s legal team could theoretically lodge an appeal at any point while he remains on British soil.

Last week Britain and Jordan signed an extradition treaty that paved the way for the cleric’s deportation by guranteeing that evidence obtained by torture will not be used against him in a re-trial. The treaty’s publication in Jordan’s Official Gazette earlier this week was the final hurdle in implementing the treaty.........

tony draper
6th Jul 2013, 08:47
They should announce the time of his departure so a few of million of us
can go and wave him off.:)

mutt
6th Jul 2013, 08:53
Officials face a tense final few hours before the aircraft takes off, Then advance the departure by a few hours and be done with it.

Mutt

tony draper
6th Jul 2013, 11:42
I have just thought of a Islamic solution,when the judges said he had to stay in this country did they mean all of him? we could send his head to Jordan and let the rest of him stay here.
:rolleyes:

vulcanised
6th Jul 2013, 11:55
They should make him stay long enough to watch the Wimbledon final as a suitable punishment.

500N
6th Jul 2013, 11:57
Mutt

I agree and often wonder why they seem to piss fart around.

Plane ready to go. Court passes judgement, drive to airport,
on plane, take off, have a second plane take off following to handle
all radio comms, switch off radio on first plane, dump him in Jordon,
all done.

Oh, you mean an appeal court said he could stay, sorry, he's in Jordan,
ask them to send him back !

tony draper
6th Jul 2013, 17:26
I'm a bit suspicious of him suddenly offering to go voluntarily,wonder if the gutless tw*ts in Whitehall have offered to pay his tribe who will remain a large wedge of cash so they can live in comfort in his absence.
:suspect:

OFSO
6th Jul 2013, 18:19
a few of million of us
can go and wave him off

Streets lined with nude women to offend his sensibilities would be more like it. Slasher could organise it, no doubt.

Lon More
7th Jul 2013, 06:58
He's no longer the UK's problem

500N
7th Jul 2013, 07:07
Thank god.

I hope the UK Gov't is now looking closely at how this sort of situation
doesn't happen again.

Christ, he crap on about Human Rights yet supports an org that
kills women and children !

Maybe someone needs to apply certain rules just like they
apply it to others.

Akrotiri71
7th Jul 2013, 07:37
What a fantastic piece of news to wake up to!

mutt
7th Jul 2013, 07:57
He's no longer the UK's problem But you are still supporting his family, surely in line with the requirement of his Human Rights, the British Gov should offer to fly his whole family to Jordan to support him in his hours of need.

Mutt

oggers
7th Jul 2013, 08:26
wonder if the gutless tw*ts in Whitehall have offered to pay his tribe who will remain a large wedge of cash so they can live in comfort in his absence

One thing is for sure: the largest wedge of tax payers money has gone to barristers and their firms. Little wonder that judges bend over backwards to keep this case alive. Even now, as he arrives in Jordan, it is voluntary and not because of any decision of the courts.

aviate1138
7th Jul 2013, 10:27
There were enough spare seats on the aircraft for his family - surely?

millerscourt
7th Jul 2013, 10:52
We should have insisted the whole family as one unit went with him but it would take another 10 years and millions more in legal aid due to the lefty human right types in the UK.

Capetonian
7th Jul 2013, 10:56
I think it's a great shame that this fine gentleman was not allowed to remain in the UK where his presence and views would have enriched the cultural diversity of the country. As a reward for so doing, I find it fair that he and his family should be allowed to live in luxury at the taxpayers' expense.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
7th Jul 2013, 11:32
Capetonian, you've misposted. It's Friday Jokes you want.:ok:

Victor Inox
7th Jul 2013, 11:56
The UK is - as has been repeatedly observed in this Forum - going to the dogs.

Any decent country would simply put the [email protected]@rd and his whole family on a plane and push them out of the door once over the big blue sea*. What on earth are our secret services coming to?

*To placate the readers of the Grauniad, they might even give them parachutes with lots of moth holes.

Blacksheep
7th Jul 2013, 17:51
Once he has been found "Not Guilty" he'll be back here to exercise his right to a family life.

500N
7th Jul 2013, 19:11
"Once he has been found "Not Guilty" he'll be back here to exercise
his right to a family life."


Sure, after the UK spend 10 year fighting him in the courts and
generally making it hard for him and that is if someone hasn't
applied the UAV Hellfire rule to him beforehand.

Let' hope a few other countries are "on the ball" in regards
to this and maybe "help" the UK.

BenThere
7th Jul 2013, 21:17
Wouldn't it be cool for UK (and US) to declare that public assistance, due to austerity, will be withdrawn from those on asylum visas. Give them a one year warning out of compassion, then watch the exit floodgates open.

I'd settle for a one year limit on government largesse, which, I remind you, is paid for by working people.

Krystal n chips
8th Jul 2013, 04:54
" Wouldn't it be cool for UK (and US) to declare that public assistance, due to austerity, will be withdrawn from those on asylum visas. Give them a one year warning out of compassion, then watch the exit floodgates open.

I'd settle for a one year limit on government largesse, which, I remind you, is paid for by working people"

Oh, absolutely !.....a splendid idea and so full of thought as to the consequences.

The consequences being the detrimental effect this would have on those who have a legitimate case and both seek, and need, legal assistance.

You will, I am sure, be ecstatic to learn that the UK Gov't are currently intent on reducing legal aid for the majority of the population who cannot afford legal services when they require them, and not simply in the criminal context either. The far from inconsequential matter of civil law will also be seriously compromised.

And thank you for the timely reminder that such aid is paid for by working people....such potent revelations are always gratifying to read.

500N
8th Jul 2013, 04:58
Krystal

"that the UK Gov't are currently intent on reducing legal aid for the majority of the population who cannot afford legal services when they require them, and not simply in the criminal context either."

Because wankers like this bloke and others like his ilk tie up far too much
of the money pie by using every trick in the book to prolong it.

Better to spend 50 pence on a piece of lead and be done with it,
I doubt any one really cares. Hopefully Jordan will do the business
on him.

7x7
8th Jul 2013, 06:23
The fact that he's now gone back willingly... Has a deal been done? I imagine the Jordanians are having to tread carefully these days in the hope they don't stir up the larger of the crazies' groups.

Don't be at all surprised if he doesn't 'escape' or be found not guilty. The only guarantee set in stone here is that his wife(wives?) and large number of children will remain on the UK taxpayers' teat for the foreseeable future and for multiple generations to come - and that 9 out of 10 of his sons will be as radical and anti UK as their father.

MG23
8th Jul 2013, 06:34
The consequences being the detrimental effect this would have on those who have a legitimate case and both seek, and need, legal assistance.

If you mean asylum, I can see very places someone could come from and legitimately claim asylum in the UK. If you really fear for your life, you claim it in the first safe nation, you don't travel thousands of miles to the UK because you'll get more benefits.

If you mean legal aid, unless it's changed in recent years, most people don't qualify anyway. Last time I looked you pretty much had to be on the dole to get anything.

500N
8th Jul 2013, 06:40
Why did he suddenly decide to go ?

Could he see the writing on the wall re the courts ?

I thought the courts ruled his appeal not valid and he
had to go ?


"I do hope we secede from the ECHR."
The Gov't seems to be talking that way, whether they will
do anything in the future and actually stick it to the EU
I anyone's guess.

I see they now have a fight with the ECHR re whether life means life ?

Why don't they just tell the ECHR to stick it and just not talk to
them / ignore them totally ?

PTT
8th Jul 2013, 06:50
I can't see us renouncing the EHCR. I also can't see us changing the HRA in any meaningful way. I see that as a good thing: for every Qatada out there who pushes the system to its limits there are, I suspect, a thousand or more people whose rights are legitimately protected by this legislation. I'd rather save the thousand at the cost of sustaining Qatada than sacrifice them in order to be rid of him.

Rights are hard-won from Governments. It would be foolish to willingly give them back in the name of fear.

Blacksheep
8th Jul 2013, 07:04
Qatada wasn't charged in UK because it would have been seen as interfering in his 'Human Rights' appeals process. As he was about to reach the end of that process, he would be charged with terrorism offences in UK. Jordan was the only place he could go. Now that he has top level government assurances that evidence relied upon by the Jordanian prosecutors in his previous trial cannot now be used, he has achieved exactly what he set out to do. That probably explains that wry smile on his face whenever the cameras are on him.

G-CPTN
15th Aug 2013, 18:56
BBC News - Abu Qatada's family leave UK for Jordan (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23720603)

Lonewolf_50
15th Aug 2013, 20:03
500N
God help the world
He did. Sent Jesus. Seems the outcome has been a mixed bag.
11Fan
I get the feeling He's given up already.
Mixed feelings about that, but given the data points "Lady Gaga" and "Piers Morgan" I may be agreeing with you soon.

As to the homecoming in Jordan ... may he enjoy his new surroundings. :p

500N
15th Aug 2013, 20:06
G-CPTN

Good news all round.

Got rid of the lot of them in the end.