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racedo
21st Apr 2013, 22:24
Laptop on last legs.

Have a tablet which seems to be stolen more and more by the kids.....

Looking for a desktop as seem always in same place when on net and given abuse of dropping etc laptop has suffered then maybe a fixed unit may be better.

Chooing JB above techie heaven as want recoms, use the techies when deciding specs etc.

pigboat
21st Apr 2013, 22:43
These (http://www.hp.com/canada/products/landing/touchsmart/index.html) now come in several models with various degrees of sophistication. I've had the original model since 2008. Since switching to Windows 7 nary a problem, but while I ran Windows Vista there were days when I hoped Bill Gates would die a prolonged and painful death from a sexually transmitted disease he'd caught from the then president of HP.

Milo Minderbinder
21st Apr 2013, 22:43
depends on how much you want to spend and what you want it to do
But valuewise this is hard to beat
Vostro 470 Mini Tower Desktop | Dell UK (http://www.dell.com/uk/business/p/vostro-470/pd?oc=sbd4754&model_id=vostro-470)

Its intended as a business machine, but is all the better for that as it doesn't have the home user crapware.

Of other suppliers, Zoostorm machines (online from Argos and others) are well built with decent components, and so are machines from
PCSPECIALIST - Custom PCs, Custom Computers, Custom PC, Desktop PC, Custom Built Computers, Gaming PC (http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/)

Fox3WheresMyBanana
21st Apr 2013, 23:15
What you want it for is really important.
Start with a list of the programs you want to run.
I built my own PC. It isn't hard, everything is standard connectors and a few screws these days, and there are innumerable videos online. If you really don't want to, find a good local computer shop and ask them to build it for you. It will come out about 10-20% over the same price as the online chains but really do want you want it to. After sales will be much better, as will upgrades.
The critical factors are normally graphics handling (e.g. video processing & games) or data processing (databases, BIG calculations).
Whatever you want to run decides your graphics card and processor.
Next choice is data storage. I highly recommend a solid state drive. Start-up is lightning fast. Some have a bad reputation, my OCZ has been fine. Load this with your operating system and rapid programs. 90GB is fine, 120 GB good. Get a big reliable hard drive for everything else.

broadreach
21st Apr 2013, 23:24
Aside from my heavy Access use, I can't see any further use for a desktop at all. The iPad's got it all hands down.

gileraguy
22nd Apr 2013, 00:43
Don't get windows 8.
You need to buy apps for everything from Facebook to YouTube. There's more advertising and more costs.

eBay has some good desktops on sale. I got 1TB HD 8 GB Ram Dual Core processor for AU$ 700.

Just the box on that deal.

pigboat
22nd Apr 2013, 01:47
I built my own PC.

As did this gentleman. The phone book is a clue to his identity. :D

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/Siddley-Hawker/Trivia51.jpg

sisemen
22nd Apr 2013, 01:54
I think Drapes stole bits from the Angel of the North to make that one :E

reynoldsno1
22nd Apr 2013, 02:43
Bought an upgraded ex-lease business PC from one of those 'daily deal' websites (that I had previously found pretty reliable). 3 years in and it's the best PC I've had .... Full size case, generic components, so it will be easy to upgrade meself when I need to.

OFSO
22nd Apr 2013, 10:42
Make One ! In fact I'm typing this on a desktop assembled by a German chap here to my wishes, which has then been modified by myself with extra RAM, inputs and outputs, cards, fans etc. Despite the case and mother b*ard being from 2007 (tempus fidgits !) everything I buy still fits/plugs/screws in somewhere and the 12 USB-2 sockets all have things plugged in and everything works 90% of the time.

Provided you don't want a gaming machine with it's expensive graphics card, you should be able to put a super-duper machine together for under 500 quid and it will only take 24 hours PROVIDED everything you buy from your local Nerd Enthusiast Shop is compatable with everything else.

Oh and step one: go and buy the Haynes Computer Manual. (ISBN 978 1 84425 9281) It's jolly good, much better than the Haynes USS Enterprise Maintenance Manual (ISBN 978 1 84425 9410) but the ISBN's are similar so don't confuse the two or you'll be in trouble in the Delta Quadrant when you need to replace the memory core on deck 12.

Worrals in the wilds
22nd Apr 2013, 11:00
If you don't feel like building a computer from scratch (fun though it is :8) Google your local area for computer shops that do custom builds. As an example, this is our mob:
Computer Systems | Computer Alliance (http://www.computeralliance.com.au/computer-systems)

Although they primarily serve the gaming fraternity, they also do a range of prebuilt desktops or can build one to customer spec. I'm sure you'll have a similar shop in your neck of the woods and they'll do you a great computer for far less cost than the big names, and with far fewer pre-installed spammy programs.

After much protesting I took my dear mother to the aforementioned business, where they set her up with a great desktop that did far more than anything the big brands could offer for the same price. Several years later it's still performing well, with the advantage that all the bits are upgradeable if necessary.

Agree with gileraguy that Windows 8 sucks like an Electrolux. Proof that Microsoft hates humanity. :mad:

Either way, buying a computer is like buying a car; do your research or get fleeced. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/worry.gif A bit of internet research on the latest in chips and memory will save you from buying a dud. Like cars, you don't have to be an expert but getting some basic info under your belt about costs and availability will save you from getting ripped off.

Remember also that unlike times past, unless you're a manic gamer (in which case you wouldn't be asking on here ;)) you don't need The Best Of The Best when it comes to computers. If you use your PC to check emails, run Mircosoft Office, visit PPRuNe and view covert porn :suspect: you don't need to spend two grand on the fastest desktop in the shop, no matter what the sales geek tells you. Pretty much any cheapish PC will do all that and then some.

As an aside, some of you may relate...:E
6 Reasons The Guy Who's Fixing Your Computer Hates You | Cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-guy-whos-fixing-your-computer-hates-you/)

lomapaseo
22nd Apr 2013, 11:05
As an aside, some of you may relate...http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/evil.gif
6 Reasons The Guy Who's Fixing Your Computer Hates You | racked.com (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-guy-whos-fixing-your-computer-hates-you/)

Well that link certainly set off my virus warnings :(

Worrals in the wilds
22nd Apr 2013, 11:11
Fair dinkum! Sorry about that.
Never had a problem with cracked before, apart from language warnings. :confused:

vulcanised
22nd Apr 2013, 11:51
Morgan Computers do some nifty 'second user' Dell and others with good specs and XP Pro !

tony draper
22nd Apr 2013, 12:11
Ah! one of the old Draper home made superputers,it worked fine like that for a year or two.
:)

bluecode
22nd Apr 2013, 12:17
It seems to me that the desktop is effectively obsolete or will be very shortly. Laptops as well. Get another tablet and don't let the kids near it. That's my plan anyway. One for them and one for me.

PTT
22nd Apr 2013, 12:22
Tablets are currently output devices. You can't input data with the same efficiency as you can with a laptop/desktop. Furthermore, they suffer from the same deficiencies regarding heat dissipation as laptops, but exacerbated by their form factor.

Build your own desktop. I made one 2 years ago for £700 and it still performs as well as a desktop you could buy for £1000 today. It's not difficult: it really isn't much harder than Lego.

Worrals in the wilds
22nd Apr 2013, 12:35
It seems to me that the desktop is effectively obsolete or will be very shortly.They keep saying that about internet forums, too! ;) We're all still here though; carrying on long past 'last drinks'...:hmm:

tony draper
22nd Apr 2013, 12:39
I would be annoyed if I found a laptop,you cant whip the top off a lappy and fettle the buggah when it goes TU,you can with a good honest stout desktop case.
:uhoh:

OFSO
22nd Apr 2013, 13:16
Tablet v. PC

I use the former to browse the internet while sitting in my armchair.

I use the latter to write letters, scan documents, print documents, print pictures, download and save files, run NPHATs, watch Caspar, SKYPE, search for enemies on Google Earth......

The former has a 7" screen and fits (just) in my jacket pocket and the latter has a 26" screen so I don't go blind during long sessions.

IMHO both the tablet and the desktop have their places and can co-exist SBS.

G-CPTN
22nd Apr 2013, 13:23
I don't have a tablet computer, but my son (who does) says that it lacks any form of input/output port (no USB) so cannot print (except, maybe, via wifi?) or write CDs/DVDs.

Capn Notarious
22nd Apr 2013, 13:46
Fox3WheresMyBanana
Appears to have done the same as many.
Found a good local shop: built a rapport with them.
My local emporium has me returning on a regular basis: pays dividends.
If computer cases could talk many would say: here we go again.
While a telephone directory might shout "get off my back": only the very worthy has a Drapes Super computer!

bluecode
22nd Apr 2013, 14:33
The tablet may not yet have all the facilities of the desktop or laptop but how long do you think it's going to take before they all do? I'd give it a year.

As for printing well my new cheap and cheerful wi fi printer will print photos and documents from my smartphone even if I'm on the other side of the world. Although usually it's from the next room.

It's not hard to imagine something similar for other needs. Some form of docking unit most likely.

The desktop may have a few years left in it yet but the standalone PC is already in the twilight of it's history. The cloud is gathering...............

UniFoxOs
22nd Apr 2013, 14:58
What Reynolds said (post #9)

I got a Compaq small form factor which was a bit of a mistake for me as I had to add a USB floppy (I'm and old style computerer, back up every document i write to floppy the minute it's written, don't trust these silicon thingies nor MasterGates software) but it's got plenty of USB ports. No trouble in about 4 years and it's fast enough on spreadsheets, Coreldraw and acceptable on video editting, cost under GBP100 main box only, no peripherals.

I used a company called Tier1, very satisfied with them.

UFO

Fareastdriver
22nd Apr 2013, 15:30
I use a Samsung 170 mini laptop. With it is a seperate keyboard, mouse and DVD R/R. Visuals are supplied by a 22 inch Ferguson HD TV. This enables me to switch from PC to TV without moving my backside.
The Samsung, like all baby laptops, will get hot with use so I use a USB powered stand and cooler fan bought from the Poundshop. I can change the battery charging from 80% in the home to 100% before going walkabouts.

Being going fine for three years.

rogerg
22nd Apr 2013, 16:24
I have Dell slimline, with Windows 7. Does all I need and didn't cost a lot.
No probs.

rgbrock1
22nd Apr 2013, 16:34
racedo:

tigerdirect, here in the US, has a "special" going on right now for a Dell desktop. The specs are as follows:

Dell Desktop Inspiron 660
3rd Gen Intel Core i5-3330 /3.00 GHz (Quad-core)
6GB DDR3 RAM
1TB HDD
Windows 8 64-bit
DVD-RW
4 USB 3.0 ports
4 USB 2.0 ports
Wireless LAN - 802.11 b/g/n
1 Gb Ethernet port
HDMI output

Includes keyboard and optical mouse.

It's quite a deal at $530 U.S.

toffeez
22nd Apr 2013, 16:51
I made mine with special type of chip - board and it's served me well for 50 years.

It always engraved extremely accurately and "toffeez woz 'ere" is recorded for eternity.
.

PTT
22nd Apr 2013, 17:10
The tablet may not yet have all the facilities of the desktop or laptop but how long do you think it's going to take before they all do? I'd give it a year.

As for printing well my new cheap and cheerful wi fi printer will print photos and documents from my smartphone even if I'm on the other side of the world. Although usually it's from the next room.

It's not hard to imagine something similar for other needs. Some form of docking unit most likely.

The desktop may have a few years left in it yet but the standalone PC is already in the twilight of it's history. The cloud is gathering...............And when tablets have advanced a year so will desktops.

There are fundamental issues with miniaturisation to which I have already alluded which means that the desktop will, pound for pound (money or weight) remain, under our current understanding of thermodynamics, more efficient than either laptops or tablets.

That's not to say that remote computing won't happen as faster wireless internet becomes the norm, at which point the screen in front of you is merely a wifi screen with a remote, non-portable base-station. Not just yet, though ;)

Keef
22nd Apr 2013, 17:17
Lots of good advice up there.

Laptops: almost extinct. I think mine has died, but haven't bothered with it.

Tablets: iPads are great for what they do. They can print if you have a printer on the "Apple Air Approved List". Otherwise, you have to buy a nifty bit of software called Fingerprint which foxes the iPad into thinking your ordinary printer is one such.
Writing long letters or documents on the iPad will drive you scatty. You need a desktop for that.

Desktops:
1. Avoid Windows 8.
2. Decide the spec you want, and look around at prices. Don't pay money for a snazzy label.
3. Do you need a new monitor too, or is the old one fine? Check if so that the new PC will talk to the old monitor.
4. I've built a few over the years, but lately have found offers that gave better spec for less than I'd pay to build my own.
5. SSD for "boot" (120GB will do fine), and conventional HD for "data". DON'T let Windows and all the other software stuff everything onto the SSD (they will try to!). Put photographs, WP documents, downloads etc on the hard drive.
Don't let anything try to defrag the SSD.

rgbrock1
22nd Apr 2013, 17:18
PTT wrote:

And when tablets have advanced a year so will desktops

How so? PC desktop systems have been around for, what, almost 30 years now? And in that 30 years time I really haven't seen them advance all that much. Yes, CPUs are faster but that's about it. Same hard drives - mostly - same RAM, same method of i/o, etc.

Keef
22nd Apr 2013, 17:22
I'd disagree with rgbrock1. Memory on my present PC is many times faster than on the old one out in the shed, and this has 8GB compared with 16MB out there. The 100meg HD out there doesn't come close to the 120GB SSD in here in terms of speed. The graphics card out there can just manage 640 x 480 at not much speed.
Windows 7 beats Windows ME.

rgbrock1
22nd Apr 2013, 17:30
Keef:

I agree with some of what you wrote. However, SSD are not the norm in off-the-shelf desktop PC's. 7200 rpm hard drives are.

16MB of RAM in your old desktop out in the shed? Does it have a x286 processor as well? If so, time to put Ubuntu Linux on it!!!!! (Sorry. Couldn't resist.)

Keef
22nd Apr 2013, 17:35
It did have Linux on it - Fedora, as I recall. It sort-of worked until the graphics card died. It was used to monitor some radio stuff. It's still there.

I think the processor was an early Pentium, but the little grey cells aren't what they were.

PTT
22nd Apr 2013, 17:58
How so? PC desktop systems have been around for, what, almost 30 years now? And in that 30 years time I really haven't seen them advance all that much. Yes, CPUs are faster but that's about it. Same hard drives - mostly - same RAM, same method of i/o, etc.A C-64 (from 1982) had a 1MB processor and 64kb of RAM. The HDD was virtually non-existent at the time, and a the 5.25" floppy disc for my C-64 was huge, unwieldy, and about 170kb in space. Other storage was available in the form of the datasette (a tape cassette), but that was no more than 1Mb per 30min side, and it took 30mins to load it. Graphics were 320x200 and 16 colour.
My desktop has a 3.6Gb processor and 16Gb of RAM. The HDDs can access 2Tb of locally stored information almost instantly, and I can carry, portably, 16Gb on a drive no larger than a pencil sharpener. The graphics are 1920x1200 and 32 million colours.

Desktop technology has advanced.

hellsbrink
22nd Apr 2013, 18:19
Laptop on last legs.

Have a tablet which seems to be stolen more and more by the kids.....

Looking for a desktop as seem always in same place when on net and given abuse of dropping etc laptop has suffered then maybe a fixed unit may be better.

Chooing JB above techie heaven as want recoms, use the techies when deciding specs etc.


There are two questions which have to be answered:-

What will you use it for?

How much will you spend?



Ok, 3 questions:-

What is your current laptop specs (processor, memory, operating system, etc) and do you want things to be "better"?


The bottom line is you buy the fastest machine with the best graphics, most memory, biggest hard disk(s) and largest power supply you can afford to buy. Avoid new machines from companies such as De;ll and HP, go for a self-build (VERY easy to do) or one from your local computer shop and you'll probably get a better system that'll last longer without the need to upgrade it to something better. But recommending a PC is not easy as everyone's needs are different

Worrals in the wilds
22nd Apr 2013, 22:51
Don't let anything try to defrag the SSD.
What happens if you do? :confused:

PTT, I have a friend who runs a Commodore 64 emulator on his PC so he can play the original games for nostalgic purposes.
http://downloadsquad.switched.com/media/2006/01/ghosts_n_goblins.png

Keef
22nd Apr 2013, 23:37
What happens if you do?

I'm not a techie, but the way I understood the destructions that came with my SSD, it goes something like this...

SSDs have a finite lifetime, based on number of times they are written to. Defragging causes lots of read/write cycles and used up some of that lifetime. They don't get fragmented in the way hard drives do, anyway.

Dushan
23rd Apr 2013, 00:25
Two pages and nobody mentioned, wait for it, Mac.

Get a Mac. It works.
The end.

exeng
23rd Apr 2013, 01:32
Get a mac and lighten your wallet unnecessarily.

Had an Ipad and gave it away to my Father in Law. (under pressure from my Mrs it has to be said)

Have an android tablet and it is not all things to all men, but at least it can connect to other things. It does everything the Ipad did by the way, but apparently has a better resolution screen than the latest apple offering (lost on me as my eyes are not quite what they used to be)

Will stick with windows for now but not 8 on the desktop or laptop.


Regards
Exeng

Msunduzi
23rd Apr 2013, 04:47
I use an ipad, laptop, android tablet and desktops daily.

The ipad cant take the place of a PC, no connectivity (yes, I can print, connect an SD card and keyboard to it) and most annoyingly doesn't have an area to centrally store documents (use a cloud based storage to partially over come this)

Only advantage of laptops is portability, and a lot of portable use can be done by an ipad or android tablet.

I have six PCs used for hobbies, four of them run Linux. The laptop I use for everyday use runs Linux, and of course android is Linux.

I have an apple mini server on my desk, it gets used rarely.

As has already been said, determine your needs, see how those needs can be met in terms of hardware, operating system and software.

Can you assemble it yourself? If so build your own, I buy everything from ebuyer.com, their after sales service is pathetic, but it is rarely needed, the quality of the components they sell is OK, so failures are rare.

Buy hardware that is better than you need now, it is cheaper to buy medium performance now than to buy low performance and upgrade in 18 months time.

Linux and most software for it is free, and unless you want to play games or have some specialised software you need to run, will do everything an average user needs. It is also easy to install, was easier than windoze before, though I have not installed windoze8 (take it off every machine that comes with it on)

Most branded machines have a lower spec than a non-branded machine of the same price. We gave up on dell a few years ago, their service levels fell badly.

A smallish local dealer would be your best bet (somebody who has a proper retail outlet, and has been around a few years) as if there is a problem, they are nearby to help. Avoid the world of PC supermarkets.

Flap 5
23rd Apr 2013, 06:58
Two pages and nobody mentioned, wait for it, Mac.

Get a Mac. It works.
The end.

Ah! An Apple worshiper!

They are indeed quality, but you pay (a lot) for this quality.
As a matter of principle they don't connect to windows or android computers. Connectability is very important with computers. The Mac doesn't connect and therefore doesn't 'work'.

Blacksheep
23rd Apr 2013, 07:05
The Mac connects to the internet, so it connects to all useful computers everywhere, just like any other. My Media Company son in law operates his business on a Mac because its the only computer that can do what he needs it to and our daughter's Windows Laptop communicates with it well enough. As for my Windows laptop, I haven't turned it on for at least two months now, the (Apple) iPad does everything I need to do and "Facetime" is the best family communication tool in existence. Far better than clunky old Skype.

SpringHeeledJack
23rd Apr 2013, 07:40
I suppose no-one mentioned anything mac, simply because that usually sets off an 'A versus B' circular arguement :hmm: They are more expensive, but in my experience they work well, especially if you're not so computer tech savvy AND reliable. Tablet devices probably are the future for most users, but for those who sit for long hours writing, designing, gaming, or just prefer a computer that stays in one area, desktops will be around a good while longer.


SHJ

PTT
23rd Apr 2013, 07:43
Macs are superb at doing what they allow you to do. Try to go outside that and they won't let you. It's a walled garden, and if you're happy with that and can afford the premium the glowing fruit logo adds to it then they are perfect for you; if you want the ability to go off-piste then you're better off with something else.

Worrals in the wilds
23rd Apr 2013, 08:53
Agree. I don't like having a primary computer I can't upgrade, which is why I don't like laptops either (though I have one to travel with because tablets are a bugger to type on). That said, my Dad got a Mac and it was the first computer he ever found easy to use, therefore he used it (and fishing forums have never been the same since :eek:). It used to drive me round the bend, but I'm used to using a PC.

For a normal user who wants internet, Office and somewhere to store their photos there's nothing wrong with Apple, and for people who are new to computers I think they may be easier to pick up the basics on. However, they're too rigid for my liking. If you want it to go faster you have to throw it away and buy a new one.

IMO Apple make a great phone though. :ok: Standing by for flamage...:}

Vercingetorix
23rd Apr 2013, 10:01
However, they're too rigid for my liking.

Disagree. Have had Windows from 3:11 onwards. Even built a few Windows machines. All susceptible to virus, crashes etc.
Switched to an iMac 20" in 2006 and life has been trouble free ever since. At present still running the iMac and a Mac Mini.

You say too rigid. iWork pages programme outputs documents in Windows format if required. You can run Windows on a Mac, run Microsoft office on a Mac.
What can you do on Windows except Windows!

Having said all that must say that I'm not over impressed with the iPhone.

Cheers

P.S. Why can't you upgrade? Nearly all machine including Windows (within limits) can be upgraded both in RAM and HDD/SSD.

Worrals in the wilds
23rd Apr 2013, 10:12
Can you upgrade the memory etc on an Apple Mac; buy a new video card etc? I understood that you couldn't; tell me if I'm wrong and I might get interested. Can you 'build' a Mac?

Vercingetorix
23rd Apr 2013, 10:27
Yes, I can.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4916288?start=0&tstart=0

There are faster "abynormal" GPUs being run by "mad scientists" but this article does not include the "un-blessed."

Cheers

P.S. Built my first radio at 7 yrs old (Crystal set), 2nd at 12 yrs old (valve/tube set) and at 17 yrs old a super het transistor radio.

Worrals in the wilds
23rd Apr 2013, 10:31
Goodo, thanks.
Seems like more effort than trotting along to the geek superstore and buying more PC bits though? Is it worth it?

Vercingetorix
23rd Apr 2013, 10:32
If you are a hobbyist, certainly, if not doubt it.

Worrals in the wilds
23rd Apr 2013, 10:36
Fair enough. I'm not an Apple hater, but as I learned on a PC (actually BBC Basic, but that's long gone outside of emulator geek circles :O) and have owned and tweaked a fair few of them post Windows 3.1 they're what I'm used to.
Thanks for the info re Apple mods though; they're obviously more flexible than I thought.

rgbrock1
23rd Apr 2013, 13:11
However, they're too rigid for my liking.

I can do anything at the command line in OS X that I can do in Linux and Unix.

Msunduzi
23rd Apr 2013, 13:28
Maybe because it is? Or based on it anyway.

Flap 5
23rd Apr 2013, 13:33
Back to the thread ...

Personally I get my desktops from a relatively local, quality dealer. I had a couple from Mesh in the past but they were rubbish for customer service and too far away if I had any problems. I had one from Evesham Micros many years ago but they went bust. Fortunately I had no problems with the computer. Go local, build it online, or over the phone, with quality parts and you can't go far wrong.

cockney steve
23rd Apr 2013, 14:15
Well, I'm another desktop user. It would appear that it was 2005 when I built it! Opera has been acting the goat lately,so I had to call on #2 son to sort it remotely.
8 pounds so far for a 1 gb RAM stick (fleabay) to upgrade the memory...oh, a capacitor blew on the video card a couple of years in, by which time a far better one could be had for half the price. New cap for 15p and have a spare card!
How do I know the 2005 date?- that's when the ubuntu Linux was last messed with!!! yup, it just works...recently bought a couple of [email protected] all-in ones, ten quid each, on the bay, less than 20 quid to fettle , Ubuntu recognised both(as well as the now-redundant, forever -clogging inkjet)

Tom's Hardware is , as far as I'm concerned, GOD of Puters....If he says it's a best-buy, it is! ( best review-site going! )

There's a lot to be said for buying a high-end Gamer's machine off the Bay....though it's no longer cutting-edge, it'll be well up there for normal users.

Build your own...as another opster said, like sticking Lego together.

I've enjoyed the challenge of learning about the printer/scanner/copier/faxes, justas I did with PC building.....don't fancy these tablet things at all, though the kids tell me i NEED one. Geez, it's not so long ago, I sold the family silver to buy an Amstrad 6128 COLOUR -about £ 450 then, or a 286 mono PC could be had for around 1200 :8

Ubuntu, open-office, media-players, printing/camera/sound software are all free,open-source and invariably just work!..Forget Windoze and the blue screen of death.

rgbrock1
23rd Apr 2013, 14:28
Msunduzi:

Correct. Apple's OS X is based on both OpenBSD (Unix) and the Mach kernel. Which kind of blows apart someone's supposition that it's too rigid.

OFSO
23rd Apr 2013, 15:53
How do I know the 2005 date?

That made me laugh. If asked, I'd have said I had my machine four or five years. So I checked on the original build date and it was twice that. Tempus is bloody fugiting one heck of a lot faster than I realised. But that's why God invented plug-in and compatable parts. Only wish my body was made the same way. And the wife said she could do with some RAM. At least, I think that's what she said.

rgbrock1
23rd Apr 2013, 15:54
OFSO wrote:

Tempus is bloody fugiting one heck of a lot faster than I realised

Tempus, OFSO? Or Bacchus?!!!!!

OFSO
23rd Apr 2013, 16:05
No matey, only two smallish glasses of white wine today so virtually sober ! However Mrs OFSO just made a batch of the lightest fluffiest scones, whipped up some cream, and we opened a jar of a friends strawberry jam, so......

Ancient Observer
23rd Apr 2013, 17:15
We've not seen the OP for a while.
I have a Chillblast pc. Not a gaming one, one of their more basic products. Very good value. Works fine, subject only to me doing wot the compootery threads tell me to.

OP might also like to look at the Novatech website. Again, they do stuff for gamers, but also for semi-literate folk like me. They also have a couple of "shops". How nostalgic. real shops!!

Up above, someone has mentioned Apple................normally, when Apple are mentioned, mixture appears by magic.

He must have man-flu

racedo
23rd Apr 2013, 21:43
We've not seen the OP for a while.

AO been around, quiet for a few days with holidays but that doesn't constitute a while........

Thread really not what I expected it to be..............been really a lot of fun to read.

OFSO
24th Apr 2013, 14:08
There's a chain of shops here in Spain called "PC Box". They sell all components (daily price list on the wall) you need to make a desktop, they will advise, or you can pick out what you want to put in it, or what you want the darned thing to do for you, they put it together, come back a week later and there it is. Another chain in Spain is "Beep", they sell ready assembled but with or without this or that, as you like it.

One big advantage is you don't have to spend the first day uninstalling 30-day trial software crap and adware that you don't want.

hellsbrink
24th Apr 2013, 16:21
One big advantage is you don't have to spend the first day uninstalling 30-day trial software crap and adware that you don't want.

Which is precisely the reason I say to avoid "brand name" computers like Dell and HP.

3holelover
24th Apr 2013, 16:38
There really is only one "Best Desktop". That's the iMac.

Someone above said something about not being able to "connect" to windows or others machines? (with respect...)BS! My iMac is happily networked and sharing files with other windows machines here at home, and if one wants, you can even run Windows (Unix, Linex, etc) on the thing, as well as the Mac OS.

Go for the big bugger (27") with all the upgrades, and I can guarantee you two things..... You'll never regret it, and you won't need another for a very long time!

hellsbrink
24th Apr 2013, 17:02
And if racedo does not have the funding for such a thing, or does not want to "learn" a new operating system, etc, then what is your suggestion?

Let's face it, spec a 27" iMac to not even the max and you are spending way over $2000, way over £2000, way over €2000.

I can get 3 or 4 decent spec windows PC's for that, or 2 i7 systems with 3Tb hard disks (amongst other things) with 27" monitors included, for LESS than one of your "Super Macs" so give everyone one good reason why I would buy the Mac when, if I was in racedo's position, I could get two better-spec Windows 7 systems so when I have my "new" system it won't be taken over by the rugrats like the tablet is as they would have a PC of the same specifications as well.

2 systems, peace and quiet since the kids won't be bothering him to use the "new" computer all the time, all for LESS than the cost of your Mac.

PS, racedo. I've used this (http://www.aria.co.uk/) lot before with no complaints whatsoever. I'm sure I've recommended them before, but they are worth looking at.

Flap 5
24th Apr 2013, 17:07
There really is only one "Best Desktop". That's the iMac.

Someone above said something about not being able to "connect" to windows or others machines? (with respect...)BS!

That was probably me, but then it is unusual for anyone to take any notice of little me. Of course you can connect by the internet. I was referring to the ease of a hardware connection. Certainly possible, but Apple make it difficult with anything that isn't Apple. Connect my iPad to transfer photos? Not easy. I've not managed it with a USB connection, not even sure it is possible. Music? iTunes is a 'must have'. With Windows it's simple drag and drop with music or picture files from any computer, other than Apple.

Flap 5
24th Apr 2013, 17:12
PS, racedo. I've used this (http://www.aria.co.uk/) lot before with no complaints whatsoever. I'm sure I've recommended them before, but they are worth looking at.

That's fine if you live to the south east of Manchester. Not much good elsewhere, however good Aria are. Any problems and you have to wait for delivery / pickup and for the computer to be fixed. Go local to you and find a reliable one.

hellsbrink
24th Apr 2013, 17:28
There are always pitfalls when buying any system, even from a "local". But you can also buy the parts you want to build your own from Aria and that's normally at a price lower than your "local" guy. And, of course, without knowing budget, which operating system, etc, we can hardly "recommend" anything but we can point racedo to various sites so he can get an idea of what he can get for his hard-earned, and that's the important thing.

Without knowing where racedo is in "darkest surrey", it's hard looking for a "local" retailer. But the same thing I said before applies no matter what, buy the fastest machine with the most memory and storage you can afford

unclenelli
24th Apr 2013, 18:59
Cheap = Raspberry Pi - £70 ready to go! - Just add TV!

Dushan
24th Apr 2013, 19:16
so give everyone one good reason why I would buy the Mac

It works...

tony draper
24th Apr 2013, 19:25
About a month ago I accompanied a neighbor up to Orbit Puters we got him a new Asus mother board AMD 4.2 ghz Quad core CPU and 8 gig of memory,used his existing case PSu dvd drive and hard drive I built him a brand new upgraded puter cost him about 240 quid if I remember correctly.
He did treat himself to a new flat screen monitor a bit later.
Took about a hour and a half to strip out the old MB and bung the new kit in,switch on bung the MB driver disk in and bobs yer uncle,worked fine.
Only tools required one phillips screwdriver.
:rolleyes:

OFSO
24th Apr 2013, 20:56
Only tools required one phillips screwdriver

...and a piece of copper wire from your left ankle to the nearest radiator, right ?!

s e t h
24th Apr 2013, 21:17
coming from a longtime desktop junkie don't eliminate laptops altogether.
they do cost a little more than a desktop usually and you'll never get as fast as the latest and greatest desktop...but you can get one that will play games and run two hard drives...which you pretty much need if you're going to do much real work on it.
when i say two hard drives i mean one of those tiny fancy new 'SSD' chips and the secondary standard drive.
you can plug in your 50inch HD tv if the standard laptop monitor is too small for you.

regarding tablets...well those aren't really computers...without a keyboard and mouse you're basically crippled from doing any real work with any kind of efficiency.

regarding macs...sure if you're a billionaire and live near a mac support centre.
standard mac trouble shooting: 'is it plugged in?...is it turned on?...turn it off and on again? still not working...call your technician or buy something on the mac supported list so it will work' :D

or go search google for something like 'budget gamers computer buyers guide' and build/order something similar.

edit: a properly build desktop can also be made to be virtually silent.
the trick there is to get an oversized cpu heatsink/fan combo, a case with adjustable speed 120mm or larger fans and a graphics card (if you want to play any games) that also has an oversized heatsink/fan combo...dual 80/90mm will likely be the quitest.
your pc will then make a barely audible hum at worst even when running full tilt for hours.
avoid watercooling :)
/edit

Dushan
24th Apr 2013, 21:26
regarding macs...sure if you're a billionaire and live near a mac support centre.
standard mac trouble shooting: 'is it plugged in?...is it turned on?...turn it off and on again? Ah, working now. Great, remember to plug it in properly next time. :D



There, I fixed it for you. And no, you don't have to be a billionaire. Your average Mac will outlive a Dell or Acer by double. Your cost per year of ownership is very competitive. Factor in the time saved, over the years, in just not having to constantly install patches and fixes, doing scans, cleanups, and optimizes, not to mention mucking with the registry and is come ahead.

Just sayin'. It works.

tony draper
24th Apr 2013, 21:32
I think think the copper wire on the ankle is summat the pro builders use to frighten the civilians,I've never scragged a CPU or memory chip yet with a electric fright from me body and I must have built and upgraded at least twenty puters since the days of the 486.
:uhoh:
The only trouble with building your own is you may be gripped by the upgrade lust,this manifests itself by one seeking out and looking at the techy sites rather than porn like the rest of you, getting the shakes reading the specs on new kit and being unable to stop oneself upgrading the CPU or graphic card every six months.
Then we get into the mad world of the overclockers.
:uhoh:

Milo Minderbinder
24th Apr 2013, 23:49
Just go and buy that Dell I suggested in post 3
That way you get a reasonable specced machine with a warranty. The price is OK. You won't be able to build one yourself at a similar price, and nor will a local shop. If they do compete, they'll be beggaring themselves to do it, and may not be around in six months. Computer shops are folding at an alarming rate at present and only the big companies are going to survive. Even a number of distributors have gone to the wall.

Regarding earthing yourself - I've not done that for years. I've seen too many sites where the self-installed wiring is confused and has a live "earth". No thanks. I do make sure I wear predominantly cotton clothes and anti-static shoes. That seems to be enough

hellsbrink
25th Apr 2013, 03:52
It works...

So do all my Windows computers (2 desktop and 2 laptops) and so does all the Android devices we have here (2 cellphones and a tablet).

So why would spending at so much on ONE computer be some sort of "better deal"?

parabellum
25th Apr 2013, 04:09
Since my first desktop in 1996 I have used Dell, (mainly), HP, Acer and just a short spell on a Toshiba laptop.

Latest acquisition is a Dell Inspiron One, it is a 23" screen with all the 'workings' in the back with a wireless mouse and keyboard, so just one wire to the transformer/mains. 8GB RAM, Core i7 processor etc. Windows 7, very impressed. If I wanted a traditional desk top I would go for a Dell, possibly a Phillips screen.

3holelover
25th Apr 2013, 06:22
You guys are all going on about cost and a notion of perceived value, by cost, etc.... That wasn't the question, was it?

If the question is, "what's the best desktop", then the answer has to be the iMac. Period. End of story. If you're looking for something other than the best, because you want something cheap, or whatever, then that's another question.

Flap 5
25th Apr 2013, 06:29
If the question is, "what's the best desktop", then the answer has to be the iMac. Period. End of story.

There you go. A well argued point. :rolleyes: How could racedo possibly resist such a detailed argument? :rolleyes:

3holelover
25th Apr 2013, 07:02
Well that's just it, you see.... once you've tried it, there is no argument. :ok:

hellsbrink
25th Apr 2013, 10:22
No, 3hole, the iMac is only the "best" in YOUR opinion. Just because YOU think you are right, it doesn't mean you are right.

Now, cost is a major part of any decision as VALUE is also a critical factor in deciding what is "best". I also hinted at other issues, like getting used to a new operating system, and since you have absolutely no idea what racedo actually uses his computer for you cannot make the claim you make as it is possible for there to be no suitable software on the Mac.

"But you can make a dual boot system with Windows", I hear you say. Well, if you have to do that then you need a windows system, and that means your Mac is most definitely NOT the "best" as it is overpriced and cannot do what other computers can do as running multiple operating systems is always a compromise in some way.

So, please, try to be a little bit objective, take the Apple-tinted specs off, and realise that your overpriced fashion accessory is most definitely NOT the "best" no matter what you think.

PTT
25th Apr 2013, 11:28
If the question is, "what's the best desktop", then the answer has to be the iMac. Period. End of story.On the contrary. "Best" is subjective, so really he's after the best for him. The best for me is one I build, to my own specifications and at my own resourcing with only the OS and software that I want on it, in order for it to do what I want it to do, and which I will fix myself if it ever goes wrong, or upgrade as parts become obsolete/better parts become available, in full knowledge of every component's capabilities and compatibilities. Anything more is wasted money.
A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_de_Saint-Exup%C3%A9ry)

OFSO
25th Apr 2013, 11:53
Whilst trying to think what a tablet could do better than a desktop or indeed a laptop, I bethought me that a "tablett" in German is a "tray" and hence took this photo of my own in action at lunchtime...try that with a desktop !

http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu287/ROBIN_100/Tablet_zps9bdbb2e7.jpg

rgbrock1
25th Apr 2013, 12:14
OFSO:

Your photo brought the willies to me: shivers and all that. Thank providence that you and I are not married (not that we would ever be, mind you, as I'm not that kinda guy!) because you would receive a tongue lashing for your little stunt of propping your wine class on top an item of technology.

Matter of fact, Mrs. rgb got such a tongue lashing from me last night (not that it'll do any good considering so many women are thicker than bricks at times) when I looked at the laptop she "borrowed" from me only to find food particles, finger prints and smudges all over the damn thing. I called her a slob and asked her to kindly clean it up, thank you very much. Her response? "it's only a damn computer."

Augggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Computers are NOT mass food particle storage devices, contrary to some popular thought.

So, OFSO, kindly take that glass of red grape juice off the device: it doesn't belong there.

<anal mode off>

OFSO
25th Apr 2013, 12:51
a tongue lashing for your little stunt of propping your wine class on top an item of technology.

Don't worry RG, it was only French wine from across the border, wouldn't have mattered if I'd knocked the glass over. I'm not such a philistine that I'd do it with local Catalan wine.

(Humerous mode off)

rgbrock1
25th Apr 2013, 12:59
OFSO:

When I visited Spain (twice) I had some very, very nice Catalonian wines. (I also drank Cava but that didn't impress me.) If I remember the name correctly, and it was a red, one of the wines I really enjoyed was Gamacha. (sp?)

OFSO
25th Apr 2013, 13:09
Spoilt for choice here, so many vinyards within half an hours drive. Pull up at front door, "got anything nice ? - OK, lets have a taste - no don't bother sticking labels on the bottles, I'll take 'em as they are".

"€2.95 a bottle ? Christ, that's expensive. Never mind.....I'll have a dozen, should last the next few days."

However. One interesting difference with tablets is (a) the choice of apps (b) the easy of downloading apps (c) the paucity of internal memory and (d) how few apps can be shifted to the SD card. And when you do overload the device with apps - and believe me it's tempting ! - no warning whatsoever (at least on both my ViewSonic and HTC). It just stops downloading e-mails and g-mails and SMS texts, and you start wonding whether you've economised on deoderant so much your friends have foresaken you. 20 megs of memory left seems to be the point at which it stops working. And the internal memory is impossible to increase, unlike my desktop which has happily accepted more and more RAM over the years.

AS I said, there's a place for both desktop and tabletphone and smartphone.

3holelover
25th Apr 2013, 13:34
Sigh..... You'd think maybe folks who fly might know a thing or two about other things, ya?.... But I guess you'd be wrong!
It appears you lot don't know beans from honey bees!...

At least it's clear to me now why aircraft manufacturers keep putting ancient, dog-speed processors in their computers :zzz:... you silly sods probably think they're fast! :p

Try a Mac, you'll never go back. ;)

PTT
25th Apr 2013, 13:48
You know Apple put the Intel i5 and Intel i7 processors in the iMac, right? The same processor as many PCs use, including my own. They also put in a NVidia Geforce GTX675 1Gb alongside 8Gb RAM, which compares unfavourably with the GTX680 4Gb and 16Gb of RAM I have in my own desktop. My desktop was cheaper by a long way.

But that's ok, you paid for the glowing fruit...
http://www.landofdroid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/crapple_mini.jpg

OFSO
25th Apr 2013, 13:56
Try a Mac, you'll never go back

Sure will, when they come with an SD card slot, two (!) SIM card slots and an HD o/p. And cost around €120.

Saleswise, at the moment everyone IS going back...for a Samsung. (Disclaimer: I don't have one.)

hellsbrink
25th Apr 2013, 14:38
However. One interesting difference with tablets is (a) the choice of apps (b) the easy of downloading apps (c) the paucity of internal memory and (d) how few apps can be shifted to the SD card. And when you do overload the device with apps - and believe me it's tempting ! - no warning whatsoever (at least on both my ViewSonic and HTC). It just stops downloading e-mails and g-mails and SMS texts, and you start wonding whether you've economised on deoderant so much your friends have foresaken you. 20 megs of memory left seems to be the point at which it stops working. And the internal memory is impossible to increase, unlike my desktop which has happily accepted more and more RAM over the years.

AS I said, there's a place for both desktop and tabletphone and smartphone.

All 3 'Droid, two Samsung phones and an Archos tablet, devices here are rooted, operating system modded, "built in" system rubbish removed, automatic install to SD, etc, etc. Means you can use Adblockers and various other things. I believe they call it "Jailbreaking" on Apple phones. Something I recommend to everyone with a 'Droid phone, and it's very easy to do. Not sure I should post a link to the best site about things like that, so PM if you want more details.

Dushan
25th Apr 2013, 15:11
Augggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Computers are NOT mass food particle storage devices, contrary to some popular thought.



[anal mode continued]

Whenever I have to fix (not lately since it is now a MacBook Air) Mrs. D's laptop i first spend 15 minutes cleaning it. the screen has a gazillion smudges on it, the keyboard is almost invisible from dirt and you don't want to know what falls out of the keyboard when you tip it over.

rgbrock1
25th Apr 2013, 15:22
Dushan:

I feel your pain. I cannot understand, and the Mrs. could give me no good reason, why there were 53 gazillion fingerprint smudges on the laptop's screen. It is not a touch-type device, like an iPad or one of the Android devices, so it remains a mystery.

I identified the following residuals from the keyboard after dumping the laptop upside down:

1. pretzel crumbs
2. chocolate particles
3. popcorn kernels

When I asked if she actually feeds the laptop when I'm not at home the response was: "Of course not, computers don't eat food."*

So, after spending about 10-15 minutes cleaning up the veritable mess the laptop became it was handed back with the homage: "Please refrain from feeding the laptop. It's had enough food to last it a year."

*pls keep in mind that the Mrs. is blond.

3holelover
25th Apr 2013, 16:17
@PTT...
Now available - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX with 2GB of GDDR5 memory. and 32 gig of RAM.

anyway, asking which is the best -ANYTHING- is an obvious invite to disagreement. If we all thought the same, we'd all want the same woman! ...and that wouldn't work very well at all. :ooh:

Ancient Observer
25th Apr 2013, 16:24
This pootery stuff is silly. Changing the topic to the best woman might improve this thread.

I used to think that Gwyneth was the best, but I then heard her speak in her "natural" voice.

Ughh!!

rgbrock1
25th Apr 2013, 16:34
Women and a desktop aren't necessarily mutually-exclusive. (Think of a real desktop and all of the myriad of possibilities!)

I saw that the fish-wrap/rag called People Magazine voted Gwyneth the "most beautiful woman in the world".

Well, although I think Ms. Paltrow is indeed an attractive woman I certainly would never put her in that category.

The woman I would put in that category is, of course, Mrs. rgb.

Okay. Good. She's gone now.

The woman I would put in that category is.....Ms. Olivia Munn

http://media.santabanta.com/gallery/global%20celebrities(f)/olivia%20munn/olivia-munn-13-d.jpg

vulcanised
25th Apr 2013, 16:51
Isn't it possible to have a thread on JB without at least one sex-mad cretin posting totty pix?









Nice tits.

EEngr
25th Apr 2013, 16:59
I suppose tablets have their place:

KvLoUNlwNBM

Has anyone dug into an Android-based tablet to see what sort of display driver it has? Being a GNU/Linux machine at its core, I'm hoping it supports X Windows. (If you don't know what that is, don't ask. We're deep into geek territory here.)

Most of the heavy stuff I do at home is hosted on a couple of servers. So all I need in the living room is a box/laptop/tablet with an X server and I'm good to go. My current setup is an Asus EeePC notebook running Linux. So what I am seeing is running on a machine (or three) in the office/lab. If the keyboard/mouse emulation is good enough, I might consider a tablet for my next purchase.
:8

OFSO
25th Apr 2013, 17:57
Sitting here at the main computer for hours on end, when I get the munchies I turn the keyboard over, give it a few smart taps and voila ! blow gently to remove the hair balls from the desk and what's left is a snack that'll keep you going for another hour. Can't do that with a touch-screen tablet !

rgbrock1
25th Apr 2013, 18:07
vulcanised wrote:

Isn't it possible to have a thread on JB without at least one sex-mad cretin posting totty pix?

I guess it's hypothetically possible but, in reality, highly unlikely.

Nice tits? I hadn't noticed. I was distracted by the contours of the...... building behind her. :}

flash8
25th Apr 2013, 18:58
My dads "workstation".... still from last century! (1999)

http://www.hardware-reselling.de/productPics/COMPAQ_AP550.jpg

Compaq Professional Workstation AP550
Dual PIII 700
1GB RAM
36GB SCSI
Windows XP

Refuses to replace it... mind you does run XP pretty fast.

How's that for stretching your investment I say.

rgbrock1
25th Apr 2013, 19:06
Although I don't ever use it, this machine sits in a box in the attic as I refuse to dump it. (Has been my faithful companion since 1985.)

http://www.old-computers.com/museum/photos/apple_IIe.jpg

In case you're wondering: it's an Apple IIe with a Monitor II.

6502 processor running at 1MHz
8-bit data bus
64 KB RAM (expandable to 1 MB. Woo-hoo!)

And it runs Apple DOS 3.x

vulcanised
25th Apr 2013, 19:48
That was the only Apple I have ever owned.

Similar spec, with twin disk drives (350k iirc)

Dushan
25th Apr 2013, 22:57
RGB don't you dare get rid of it. I dumped my two Macintosh SEs and am still kicking myself. One had sin autres of all the developers imbedded on the inside of the case. Probably worth thousands on eBay, especially since Jobs died.

rgbrock1
26th Apr 2013, 12:53
Dushan:

That SE you had with the developers' names in it? I'd reckon its worth several thousand $$$$ (US) now if in good condition.

No, I'll be hanging onto the II for quite some time: I refuse to relegate it to the big computer trash bin in the sky!

Milo Minderbinder
26th Apr 2013, 13:33
A couple of interesting computers for you


http://www.ozini.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/sexy-computer3.jpg

http://walyou.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/anime-girls-computer-case-mods-6.jpg