I wonder if the RAF will buy more Bae 146's ?

[Stuffy]

These were ex TNT I believe.

32 (The Royal) Squadron Aircraft (http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/32-the-royal-squadron-aircraft-18042013)

[Alber Ratman]

They certainly were.. They are good, rugged, short haul freighters, a bit old now but effective.. Almost Mover proof.

[NutLoose]

The first of the new BAe 146’s is due to be in service

Yeah right, new to you maybe, but probably older than some of the crew manning it....


Mr Philip Dunne MP, Minister for Defence Equipment, Support and Technology, said:
"A world-class air transport force allows the RAF to deliver personnel and material around the world, swiftly and flexibly...



I note he didn't say a world class RAF transport force.. ;)

[Pontius Navigator]

I wonder how many more pork pies they can carry.

You need to follow the link.

[Stuff]

In a new state-of-the-art sorting facility, completed in 2008

Just how long does something remain new for?

[CoffmanStarter]

Do they still have that delightful aroma from the bleed air ?

[PFMG]

6 posts and no mention of an MPA role fit yet - come on guys

[Biggus]

No doubt someone (BAE?) will suggest we convert them to MPA (after all, converting an existing airframe to an MPA is so easy...) once we pull out of sandy places and don't need them as transports any more....

After all, a fleet of 2 MPA is about the size you would expect for a third rate Air Force..!!

[fade to grey]

there's about another 20 of these and RJs sitting at Kemble waiting for a mission they could probably have for a song...

[sycamore]

..tactical tankers perhaps...

[aw ditor]

Coff'

The aroma is probably a left over from their days when they carried Race Horses. It usually lasted for a couple of weeks in spite of the very "clever" liquid absorbing pallets the stalls were mounted on.

A.D.

[racedo]

The aroma is probably a left over from their days when they carried Race Horses.

They told you racehorses but HTF did you think they kept the Base food budget in under cost and kitchen staff needing to be able to afford a sunshine holiday.

Many a person has been told to take a running jump post meal....................they weren't kidding, they knew what was in the Shepherds pie which should have been renamed Old Nag Pie.

[TBM-Legend]

Actually not horses but "meat" for Tesco's...same aroma!:8

PS: What's that man doing with his hand in his pocket??:hmm:

[Opsbeatch]

Looks like they came from Titan Airways being 'QC', didn't think TNT had any of those variants.

OB

[GreenKnight121]

there's about another 20 of these and RJs sitting at Kemble waiting for a mission they could probably have for a song...

Sorry... we here in "Murika" are buying up all we can for a different kind of "tanker" role:

http://www.nifc.gov/PIO_bb/Background/2012FFAircraftFactSheet.pdf

They are replacing all our old P-2 Neptunes, P-3 Orions, and such.
Neptune to retire two P2V air tankers | Fire Aviation (http://fireaviation.com/2012/11/29/neptune-to-retire-two-p2v-air-tankers/)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/Bager1968/Aircraft/Cargo-Transport/Tanker40_zps48b84194.jpg (http://s22.photobucket.com/user/Bager1968/media/Aircraft/Cargo-Transport/Tanker40_zps48b84194.jpg.html)

[Fareastdriver]

There still using Agent Orange?

[Stuffy]

TNT had 10 BAe 146-200QT's :-
TNT Airways - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TNT_Airways)

[Roland Pulfrew]

After all, a fleet of 2 MPA is about the size you would expect for a third rate Air Force..!!

That's a bit harsh. Even Barbados has 3 MPA and they are an Air Wing! What does having 2 make you?? :}

[CoffmanStarter]

I thought Elsan Fluid was blue :E

[NutLoose]

Quote:
After all, a fleet of 2 MPA is about the size you would expect for a third rate Air Force..!!
That's a bit harsh. Even Barbados has 3 MPA and they are an Air Wing! What does having 2 make you??

Even harsher considering Luxembourg operates a two maritime patrol aircraft fleet... And last time I looked they don't even have a coast! :}

Luxembourg MPRA Return to Seychelles | Eunavfor (http://eunavfor.eu/luxembourg-maritime-patrol-and-reconnaissance-aircraft-mpra-return-to-european-union-naval-force-eu-navfor-somalia-operation-atalanta/)

[CoffmanStarter]

But a couple of their rivers mark the boarder with Germany Nutty ... But don't mention the war Bazil ... :}

[Wycombe]

TNT did indeed mainly have QT's ("Quiet Traders", pure freighters) but also these 2 QC's (Quick Change), which were I believe previously on the Belgian register.

Only the QT's and QC's have the large side cargo door at the port rear. Only a handful of QC's were built, IIRC.

[Alber Ratman]

They were both on the Belgian register.. OO-TAY and OO-TAZ I do believe were the registrations.. Worked on them both when in TNT colours. :E

[Regie Mental]

Believe there were five QCs built.

[Davef68]

Looks like they came from Titan Airways being 'QC', didn't think TNT had any of those variants.

OB

They had two, which are the two the RAF bought. The UOR tender almost said 'supplier must be called TNT' but just stopped short!!

[Alber Ratman]

5 built, two for sale?? Others still in QC usage like Titan? Tender written to suit circumstance, with the MoD regulations such tenders have to be drafted to..:E

[servodyne]

BAe but us to it, The concept HS 146 "Barracuda" MPA has been around the bazaars for some time :bored

[servodyne]

AL 1 : BAe beat us to it, The concept HS 146 "Barracuda" MPA has been around the bazaars for some time

[TBM-Legend]

Two Titan QC birds headed to Oz. One already in Sydney as of a week ago..

[A2QFI]

SFAIK a problem with 146s is the poisonous fumes in the engine bleed air which are odourless (I think) and are an identified but unrectified major health hazard to crew and passengers alike.
http://tinyurl.com/cekahw6

[diginagain]

ISTR that there exists on PPRuNe a rather long thread discussing the fumes issue.

[tucumseh]

If they do, perhaps Prince Charles could make a contribution :E

[NutLoose]

Fumes? The A330 suffered from the smell of sewage in the cockpit, surprised the RAF never went down this route with the 146..

Creature comfort: the British 'safari jet' that transforms into a plush viewing platform | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1278627/Creature-comfort-British-safari-jet-transforms-plush-viewing-platform.html)

Anyone spot the flaw in the Bae cunning plan? There is not a lot of wildlife or scenery to see sitting on the ramp at 99% of airports. And I can't see many letting you go camping airside either.
:E

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/15/article-0-0996D0B5000005DC-425_634x323.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/15/article-0-0996D3B2000005DC-554_634x317.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/15/article-0-0996D5B2000005DC-228_634x317.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/15/article-0-0996D713000005DC-978_634x288.jpg

[Roland Pulfrew]

Oh I don't know Nutty, wasn't the 146 once touted as having a semi-rough field capability? Plenty if small strips in Africa where you have to check there is no wildlife on the runway before landing :ok:

[Stuffy]

It's a shame the RJX was cancelled.

It flew faster and higher and didn't have the engine fuel problems.

[Davef68]

RP - the aforementioned Prince Charles tried to test that, didn't he.....:8

I wonder if they got any interest in that? 'Great views of the back end of hordes of animals as they disappear across the horizon, frightened by the noisy white thing that has just landed.'

[Hueymeister]

We'll probably do what we did with the VC10. Leave the Kemble lot to rot, realise they're what we need, then give them to BAe to rip us off...then fly them 'til they're over 50 yrs old!

[PFMG]

And I can't see many letting you go camping airside either.


I don't know - 201 Sqn used to get away with it. No hang on that was mincing...sorry :}

[CoffmanStarter]

BFBS piece on the 2 new QC's ...

RAF's Newest Plane to Ease Hercules Workload 22.04.13 - YouTube

[Ken Scott]

I think this has been somewhat overtaken by events.....

[StopStart]

Go on.....

[Ken Scott]

http://http://www.pprune.org/military-aircrew/513430-kandahar-aircraft-damaged.html

[StopStart]

Thought so but which ones..... Us or Them...? ;):*