EasyJet Lisbon base - All the planes grounded

[busav8r]

I heard a rumour that there is a strike over there. I was told only the pilots are involved. Anyone knows anything about this?

[2Planks]

Well all today's flights seem to be operating roughly to schedule according to the Easy website.

[Binder]

Strike 'broken' using Luton and Gatwick crews.

[busav8r]

Umm... don't think so because like I said all the fleet has been grounded all day. Unless planes and crews from other bases came to Lisbon to replace them.

[ReallyAnnoyed]

Which they did.

[busav8r]

Wow. That means flying to EasyJet should be "awesome".
Jeez...

[kick the tires]

busav8r - your title is somewhat WRONG as you didnt bother to check on the false rumours you are trying to spread.

Big loss of credibility to YOU!!!!

[FR-]

Totally wrong, please get facts right before posting rubbish like this, this sort of stuff effects the business and share price, hang your head in shame. :mad:

[busav8r]

Sorry guys to disappoint you. At the moment 4 Easy planes are parked at the Lisbon airport (i believe the entire fleet). Also got the confirmation about this not rumour anymore, but a true fact, that the pilots are on strike.

[kick the tires]

busav8r -

You lack of credibility continues.

busav8r says Sorry guys to disappoint you. At the moment 4 Easy planes are parked at the Lisbon airport (i believe the entire fleet). Also got the confirmation about this not rumour anymore, but a true fact, that the pilots are on strike.

I've quoted your post so you cant delete it.....


You are obviously an outsider looking in and you obviously havent looked at the posts on here, nor at the departures/arrivals board at LIS which shows that the first wave left early or within 3 mins of STD, the second wave had an average delay of 11 minutes.

Now, care to rephrase 'Sorry guys to disappoint you'.........

[Sunnyjohn]

It doesn't take a lot of googling, sunbeam . . .

The 12 unions representing the 7,000 workers of TAP Air Portugal and SATA Group have called off the three-day strike planned for March 21, 22 and 23.
The strike was averted after a dispute over wage cuts was settled between the workers and the two companies on late Tuesday. According to a statement released by the workers’ representatives, “all conditions were met.”
The strike was called over concerns relating to budget reductions, layoffs and pay cuts between 3.5% and 10% in gross wages.
The strike, which would also affect Azores-based SATA airline, would be the first to be backed by all the unions representing TAP’s pilots and workers.
Stoppages called by TAP air traffic controllers, in April and May of last year, caused hundreds of flight cancelations. March has been marked in Portugal by transportation sector disruptions with a number subway and rail sector strikes.
Last December, Portugal postponed the privatization TAP Air Portugal alleging that the potential buyer didn’t meet the financial conditions. The deal was part of the terms of multi-million Euro (€78 billion/$102 billion) bailout package Portugal had agreed, in 2011, with the IMF, the European Central Bank and its EU partners, aimed to reducing the national deficit.
Last month, state owned TAP Air Portugal, the national flag-carrier, announced it ended 2012 with a profit of €16 million, compared to €3.1 million last year.

[fmp320]

I have absolutely no idea if the EasyJet pilots from the Lisbon base were on strike or not today, but I can confirm that I saw several EZ planes parked in Lisbon without any signs of movement, which is not very common.
Usually they use the parking stands in front of terminal 2, but this time they were parked in the parking area 22, which is also not very common.
:hmm:

[skianyn vannin]

Yes the LIS easyjet aircraft were grounded today, du to strike action by LIS based pilots over terms and conditions. The easyjet flights you saw in LIS were operated by UK based aircraft and crews.

[Lord Spandex Masher]

busav8r -

You lack of credibility continues.

busav8r says Sorry guys to disappoint you. At the moment 4 Easy planes are parked at the Lisbon airport (i believe the entire fleet). Also got the confirmation about this not rumour anymore, but a true fact, that the pilots are on strike.


I've quoted your post so you cant delete it.....


You are obviously an outsider looking in and you obviously havent looked at the posts on here, nor at the departures/arrivals board at LIS which shows that the first wave left early or within 3 mins of STD, the second wave had an average delay of 11 minutes.

Now, care to rephrase 'Sorry guys to disappoint you'.........

I've quoted your post so you can't delete it.....
;)

[captplaystation]

Have a friend who has worked for SATA since late nineties. He is VERY hacked off over the discord between Union & Management, & EVEN more hacked off at the Portugese Govt robbery which gets worse month by month. The country is really stuffed, and no doubt Easy are capitalising on it by offering T's & C's that would be totally unrealistic in a country with better prospects.

If the LIS based pilots had the b@lls to do something about it, Kudos to them :D even if I doubt it will change much. Just hope that it isn't the precursor to their dismisal :{

[Wolfman_3110]

I confirm, 3 easyJet aircrafts on the "ECHO" parking, early this morning, no signs of ground activity around those aircrafts. All the gates in front of the Terminal 2 were empties when I taxied nearby.

[Hotel Tango]

Yeah, OK, I think we've got the message now. Lisbon based a/c parked up. Flight ops maintained using UK (or other) based a/c and crews.

[golfyankeesierra]

The easyjet flights you saw in LIS were operated by UK based aircraft and crews
Why did the Brits took over the flights? Thought that Easy was unionized these days.
If it were another company taking over work when on strike, but these were their own!
Isn't it one company? no collegues standing up for each other?
Frankly I don't have a clue how the workforce in Easy is organized.

[EGPFlyer]

It was only the LIS pilots on strike therefore it would be a breach of contract by the UK based crew if they refused to work. I'm not sure if France, Italy or Germany have different rules but that's how it works in Blighty.

[twochai]

Sounds totally reasonable, to me!

[Craggenmore]

The UK Ezy flight crew wouldn't go on strike even if they could.

[kick the tires]

Craggenmore - there speaks a bitter man.

[golfyankeesierra]

therefore it would be a breach of contract by the UK based crew if they refused to work
Not if there is an agreement between national pilot unions not to break any strikes within the company....
But then there have to be unions, and agreements...

[Microburst2002]

what are the reasons for their strike. Have they had their T&Cs changed?

If that is what happened, the whole EZY should support them. Not doing it means that the whole of EZY pilots will have their T&Cs changed sooner or later, and to the worse, of course, that goes without saying...

[EGPFlyer]

Not if there is an agreement between national pilot unions not to break any strikes within the company....
But then there have to be unions, and agreements...


And how, pray tell, does that work?

In the UK you can only strike when it is your own terms and conditions affected. You can't go out on a sympathy strike and if you do you have absolutely no protection and will probably be fired. As has been said, it was only UK crews used, flying UK based aircraft which bypassed Portuguese laws about strike breaking. No doubt they were used as the UK labour laws are far weaker than the other countries where easyJet has bases.

[green granite]

I note certain posters have not yet had the good manners to apologise to busav8r for calling him a liar. :ugh::ugh:

[ManaAdaSystem]

Scabs. End of story.

[EGPFlyer]

Scabs. End of story.


Another insightful reply. Do you want me to send you links to the ACAS website telling you what you can, and can't strike for in the UK? I'm sure all of the guys sent out to operate fully supported the LIS pilots but they simply couldn't refuse to fly.

[fabiaoa319]

I flew as a passenger GVA-LIS yesterday and: first the flight was operated by easySwiss out of standby and I can confirm that many easyJet planes were parked on unusual stands....

[kick the tires]

Green granite says I note certain posters have not yet had the good manners to apologise to busav8r for calling him a liar.

Why does he need an apology? The title of this thread is mischievous and inaccurate, there was a FULL flying programme in LIS yesterday that ran, more or less, on time.

How can that happen if 'All the planes grounded'??

[TBSC]

@kick the tyres


busav8r - your title is somewhat WRONG as you didnt bother to check on the
false rumours you are trying to spread.

Big loss of credibility to
YOU!!!!

He merely said that all planes of EasyJet's Lisbon base were grounded for a strike of pilots. All 3 facts are confirmed therefore it a big loss of credibilty indeed but not to busav8r...

[Krueger]

So now expect those wonderful T&C's from LIS to be spread all over. I guess UK would be the next move. Divide and conquer springs to mind.

[Craggenmore]

Divide and conquer springs to mind.

It's already happened hence the inability to strike.

1. regular workforce (anyone from 1995 to 2008)
2. cadets
3. Parc contractors
4. easy Swiss
5. Flexi-crew

Kick - I'm not a bitter man. I tend to drink Reims finest on my thrice monthly global nightstops..!

[caulfield]

anything different from a company such as easyjet.Worse even than ryanair and that says a lot.They are breaking every rule going.Free First Officers mortgaged to the hilt(ctc scam).Flexicrew?wtf?And now no respect for another EU country's union rules by scabbing a legit strike.But having seen some of the pilots in this orange nightmare of politically correct modern-day CRAP,I am not entirely surprised.Pilots today arent what they used to be.We always had our fair share of :mad: in aviation but now we've got non-pukka people,people with no scruples,no upbringing,people with no code..they fly for free,pay their ratings upfront,and totally diminish the profession that once was.And strike-breaking of one's colleagues,providing the strike was legit and had a sound justification,is an immense crime and sacrilege.You just wouldnt do it back a while when airlines were run and staffed by good people with morals..You cant just say the UK crews were ordered to fly the LIS roster and they had no choice.Of course they had a choice.They can say NO!Chav pilots..chav airline

[despegue]

A pilot group with balls would NEVER break an official strike of colleagues.
You ALWAYSmhave a choice, you can always call in sick for that duty.:ugh:
Simply disgusting.

[busav8r]

Totally wrong, please get facts right before posting rubbish like this, this sort of stuff effects the business and share price, hang your head in shame.

busav8r - your title is somewhat WRONG as you didnt bother to check on the false rumours you are trying to spread.

Big loss of credibility to YOU!!!!

Usually I don't have the habit to comment others poster's provocations. Generally I try to ignore them.

But in this particular case it was obvious that this guys were really pissed off because I spread the news of something that apparently was not supposed to be publicized. No wonder why. :=

[busav8r]

A pilot group with balls would NEVER break an official strike of colleagues.
You ALWAYSmhave a choice, you can always call in sick for that duty.
Simply disgusting.

I think most of the crews from the UK (or other bases) who made the EasyJet's Lisbon base flights had absolutely no idea why they were doing those flights. Apparently nobody knew about this strike action until this was disclosed in this forum yesterday's afternoon.

[Alexander de Meerkat]

Personally, I think busav8r was indeed totally misrepresented. There was indeed an easyJet pilot strike at Lisbon yesterday, and the aircraft based there did not fly. The flight programme was only possible because it is winter and there is a surplus of crew and aircraft elsewhere. No pilot wanted to fly there but simply had no choice due to legal considerations in the UK. It was made very clear by BALPA to its members that no protections existed for those members who refused duties in Lisbon. Regarding 'calling sick' possibilities, I would have to say that would be a massive escalation and is not something to enter lightly. What the strike was about I have no idea, but I imagine it was related to the terrible contract in Portugal. I hope it ad the desired effect of bringing the management to its senses and encouraged then into reasonable dialogue - I fear not, however.

[Bernoulli]

So what are the UK EJ pilots doing to find out what's going on and if there's anything they can do to help their colleagues in the same Company?

[Viking101]

I always thought it was on a volunteer basis to accept a position in LIS?

No surprise when signing the contract? Now change of mind or did the company set the people up?

[Krueger]

I guess the next time there's a strike in UK, the LIS crews will volunteer to do their flights. And then, I will enjoy the comments they'll get over here.

When will you guys realize that this is the testing ground to lower everyones T&C's? When the hammer falls on your head, it will be to late. You better do something about it.