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rgbrock1
7th Mar 2013, 13:19
As some of us may be aware, North Korea not only voided the armistice which has been active since the end of the Korean War but now has taken to threatening both the US and S Korea was a "preemptive nuclear strike". Wow. :eek: I'm not sure if this is the North talking crap again or if they really mean it this time but regardless these are some very strong and ominous words.

Perhaps it's time for China to rein in their rabid dog. As unlikely as that is.

Slasher
7th Mar 2013, 13:25
I'm not sure if this is the North talking crap again

Yeh, I thought it was about time the new FLUF started a new round of saber-rattling.

Same shit different day. http://serve.mysmiley.net/indifferent/indifferent0022.gif

It'll probably all end with another handout of oil and food from the US...again.

Lonewolf_50
7th Mar 2013, 13:39
Their aim is to try and get the US to stop doing those major exercises with the South Koreans. This noise comes up every year, though this year the North is claiming that the US intends to start a nuclear war.

They simply lie. That is all there is to it. Learned it from their commie masters decades ago, and the gullible cnuts in the media don't clearly identify what a load of liars they are.

stuckgear
7th Mar 2013, 14:17
Guys! Guys.. noooo.. you have to follow the socialist lefty mantra.. Chavez, Mugabe, Hussein... just mis understood, fun guys, who's first care amounts to caring for their people...

.. N. Korea is just a sleepy peaceful socialist utopia that the capitalists want to exploit..

funny how our socialist detractors, you know, those ones that cite us all as gun totin' ring wing nut jobs, don't want to f**k off and live there though..

hmmmmmmmm..


:}

rgbrock1
7th Mar 2013, 14:30
Perhaps a postcard like the below should be sent to the "dear leader".

http://media.moddb.com/cache/images/groups/1/3/2492/thumb_620x2000/2007.08.17icbm.JPG

beaufort1
7th Mar 2013, 14:35
UN has unanimously passed the latest sanctions against the North Koreans.

BBC News - UN adopts new North Korea sanctions after nuclear test (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21704862)

dead_pan
7th Mar 2013, 17:02
Nasty little attention seekers. I'm not sure why the media give them all this airtime - it just gets people worrying for no reason.

obgraham
7th Mar 2013, 18:35
How do you impose "sanctions" on a country that has nothing?

Even the prohibition on selling them more Lamborghinis won't work, since there is always someone who'll load one on his yacht and sail it in.

Slasher
7th Mar 2013, 23:00
funny how our socialist detractors, you know, those ones that cite us all as
gun totin' ring wing nut jobs, don't want to f**k off and live there though..

They'd probably have to learn Korean - but even that's no obstacle given the
royal class treatment they'd get from the FLUF and his cohorts. Laze around
enjoying the worst excesses of capitalism...while watching the brainwashed
proles go about toiling and laboring - and never having to worry about being
voted out of power. Isn't that what your average urban socialist retard seeks?

CityofFlight
8th Mar 2013, 00:37
Even China voted to pass the sanctions. How much of a message is that?:ok:

500N
8th Mar 2013, 01:01
CoF

Yes, agree, I raised my eyebrows when I read that China had
voted for Sanctions.

They have been pissed off with Nth Korea for a while, I wonder
if it is a sign that they can't control this despot as much as they
could control the previous couple ?

The last thing China needs is a war involving Nth Korea, that would
seriously screw with the long term China plans.

KAG
8th Mar 2013, 01:01
Like we all knew (but only a few said): it was not Iraq to stop, but North Korea.

Who has the balls today? Nobody. Yes I thought so.

AtomKraft
8th Mar 2013, 01:02
I remember when the US pushed far too far up North, during the Korean War.
The excursion triggered China to come into the war with truly 'bad' effects for Americans-and Chinese......and leading directly to our present state of 'stalemate'.

Nobody has ever expained why the US forged North.

Another case where the US got it's ass kicked.:}

Which is normally how these things turn out, sadly.

Perhaps some 'wise owl' will explain MacArthurs push North, or his request for nukes- which was met.....

CityofFlight
8th Mar 2013, 01:24
KAG...are you seriously implying that the US has no backbone to stand up to North Korea? Shirley, you jest? :confused:

Matari
8th Mar 2013, 01:35
Some 40,000 soldiers on the DMZ have the balls, that's who. And for damn sure we are keeping the mines there.

Interesting that some view Inchon and the push north of the 38th as an indictment of US warfighting, yet offer no criticism of the massive Chinese intervention. The UN vs. China, and the US is the bad guy. Some things never change.

AtomKraft
8th Mar 2013, 01:49
Matari

The Chinks never moved.

Until the US threatened them by approaching their border.

FACE THE FACTS

500N
8th Mar 2013, 01:55
+1 to the above.

Even China was hesitant about going in and had discussions
about it.

From what I have read, if the US / MacArthur had stayed a little
back from the border and not "threatened" China in any way - or
"had the odd accidental overflight" if they occurred, China would
have stayed well out of it.

KAG
8th Mar 2013, 01:59
Cityofflight: I directly imply that when a terrorist is not a person but a country, and doesn't have a knife but the nuclear bomb, then the whole world (and not the US only) is at risk.

CityofFlight
8th Mar 2013, 02:14
KAG....

Thank you, and completely agree.

Mk 1
8th Mar 2013, 04:10
Atom: Perhaps some 'wise owl' will explain MacArthurs push North, or his request for nukes- which was met.....

A very long way from being a 'wise owl' more a misguided kookaburra, but as I recall the only request that was met was POTUS taking big mac and sacking his sorry derrierre.

Where did the US drop nukes during the Korean 'police action'? That would be how to interpret a request for nukes being met wouldn't it?

Lightning Mate
8th Mar 2013, 07:12
Here's the latest:



North Korea has vowed to scrap all peace pacts with the South
after the United Nations imposed tough new sanctions on the country.


The warning came as state media released pictures of Kim Jong-Un meeting
troops on islands believed to be in the east of the country.


The news agency KCNA said he talked of "all-out war" during the visit - and
quoted him as telling troops to "make the first gunfire" in response to any
attack.


He said the slightest provocation would result in his immediate order for a
"great advance" along the frontline, the agency reported.

Slasher
8th Mar 2013, 10:03
...Dunno why that FLUF chooses to broadcast his most vociferous rantings on weekdays.
Schicklgruber would use the weekends to rattle Chamberlain and Parliament, sometimes
with effect.

SINGAPURCANAC
8th Mar 2013, 10:11
what is effective air power at the moment in South Korea?
How many aircraft and trained pilot are available at QRA ?
What are predictions, how many minutes South Korea will need to establish air supremacy over peninsula. ?

include USA air force numbers, thanks

And yes I have wikipedia but would like to hear serious numbers. :ok:

Fox3WheresMyBanana
8th Mar 2013, 15:57
I cannot take anyone with that stupid a haircut seriously...

Milo Minderbinder
8th Mar 2013, 16:41
Its worth reading the press release in full
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201303/news07/20130307-17ee.html
calendar>>March 7. 2013 Juch 102
Second Korean War Is Unavoidable: DPRK FM Spokesman
Pyongyang, March 7 (KCNA) -- A spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry Thursday issued the following statement:

The U.S. is now working hard to ignite a nuclear war to stifle the DPRK.

Key Resolve and Foal Eagle joint military exercises kicked off by the U.S., putting the situation on the Korean Peninsula to the brink of war, are maneuvers for a nuclear war aimed to mount a preemptive strike on the DPRK from A to Z.

The U.S. is massively deploying armed forces for aggression, including nuclear carrier task force and strategic bombers, enough to fight a nuclear war under the smokescreen of "annual drills."

What should not be overlooked is that the war maneuvers are timed to coincide with the moves to fabricate a new "resolution" of the UN Security Council against the DPRK, pursuant to a war scenario of the U.S. to ignite a nuclear war under the pretext of "nuclear nonproliferation".

It is a trite war method of the U.S. to cook up "a resolution" at the UNSC to justify its war of aggression and then unleash it under the berets of "UN forces."

That is why the U.S. is hurling into the war maneuvers even armed forces of its satellite countries which participated in the past Korean War as "UN forces".

After directing the strategic pivot for world hegemony to the Asia-Pacific region, the U.S. regards it as its primary goal to put the whole of the Korean Peninsula under its control in a bid to secure a bridgehead for landing in the Eurasian continent. It also seeks a way out of a serious economic crisis at home in unleashing the second Korean war.

The U.S. is, indeed, the very criminal threatening global peace and security as it is staging dangerous war drills in this region, the biggest hotspot in the world and a nuclear arsenal where nuclear weapons and facilities are densely deployed.

The DPRK has so far made every possible effort while exercising maximum self-restraint in order to defend the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the region.

The U.S. is, however, responding to the DPRK's good will and self-restraint with large-scale nuclear war maneuvers and the "annual" war drills are developing into a real war. Under this situation the opportunity of diplomatic solution has disappeared and there remains only military counteraction.

The spokesman for the DPRK Foreign Ministry states as follows upon authorization as regards the grim situation that was created on the Korean Peninsula seriously threatening the sovereignty of the country and its right to existence:

First, now that the U.S. is set to light a fuse for a nuclear war, the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will exercise the right to a preemptive nuclear attack to destroy the strongholds of the aggressors and to defend the supreme interests of the country.

The Supreme Command of the Korean People's Army declared that it would totally nullify the Korean Armistice Agreement (AA) from March 11 when the U.S. nuclear war rehearsal gets into full swing. This meant that from that moment the revolutionary armed forces of the DPRK will take military actions for self-defence against any target any moment, not restrained by AA.

Second, the farce for the adoption of "resolution on sanctions" against the DPRK being backed by the U.S. at the UN Security Council will compel the DPRK to take at an earlier date more powerful second and third countermeasures as it had declared.

If the UN Security Council gives the green light to the U.S. in its moves for a war of aggression against the DPRK by adopting a new "resolution on sanctions", it will fully display the might of Songun it built up decades after decades and put an end to the evil cycle of tension.

Third, given that it has become difficult to avert the second Korean war, the DPRK strongly warns the UN Security Council not to make another big blunder like the one in the past when it earned inveterate grudge of the Korean nation by acting as a war servant for the U.S. in 1950.

The UNSC should immediately call into question the U.S. DPRK-targeted nuclear war rehearsals that pose a serious threat to the global peace and security, immediately disband the "UN Command" which is a tool for executing the U.S. war of aggression and take measures for ending the state of technical war.

Justice can be defended only when strength is reacted with strength and nuke with nuke.

Should the U.S. ignite a war in the end, it will cause flames of justice to flare up like an erupting volcano in which the aggressors will perish and the cursed Military Demarcation Line disappear for good.


Interesting that on the same day the NorKs also release this
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201303/news07/20130307-12ee.html

calendar>>March 7. 2013 Juch 102
Kim Jong Un Sends Message of Greeting to Syrian President
Pyongyang, March 7 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Un, first chairman of the National Defence Commission of the DPRK, sent a message of greeting to Bashar Al-Assad, president of Syria, on Monday.

The message said:

I extend warm congratulations to you and the friendly government and people of the Syrian Arab Republic on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the March 8 Revolution in Syria.

Over the last half century since the March 8 revolution which is of epochal significance in the development of Syria's history the Syrian people have brought about great changes in all fields of politics, economy and culture under the leadership of the Baath Arab Socialist Party.

Availing myself of this opportunity, I wish you, your government and people successes in the just struggle for frustrating all sorts of challenges of hostile forces and defending the sovereignty, security and stability of the country.




I hope someone is monitoring the comms between Iran, Syria and Norkland

Fox3WheresMyBanana
8th Mar 2013, 16:52
Kim Jong Un can gob off all he likes, or to be exact, all that China is prepared to put up with.
What the Chinese do about it is the only thing that matters.

fitliker
8th Mar 2013, 17:58
The rush to get Korea was to deconstruct the heavy water plant built by the Japanese in the 1930's as part of the Imperial Japanese nuclear bomb building efforts.
The NAZI's had helped build that plant and the Allies needed to know just what nuclear bomb technology was available to the Soviets and the Chinese Operating in North Korea.
The Japanese also engaged in biological warfare experiments on Koreans and the those experiments may have developed weapons that the west may have to defend itself against.
Part of the cold war that was secret for a long time.Just a continuation of operation paperclip chasing after NAZI weapon technology.


Peace is often the hardest fight to win ,starting a fight is easy,winning a war is a little bit harder,but winning the peace is the hardest fight.
Not only must you make peace with your enemy you must make peace with yourself.Nations struggle and are often are never at peace with themselves, so they can never be at peace with others.
North Korea will never be at peace with its neighbours until it strives for peace for its own people first.
Nations that ignore the peace of their own citizens wage war without end,surely we learned that much from History.


The only Koreans left after a nuclear war will be working the late shift at the quicky marts around the US.

Fareastdriver
8th Mar 2013, 18:52
There is an awful lot of military hardware in the Chinese provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang, the three provinces north of the Korean border. China is neurotic about the security of its borders and it knows that if the DPRK were to go to war it would all end in tears for Pyongyang.

If that happened then China would want a hand in selecting a relatively neutral regime in North Korea and if that involves joining in militarily with the USA and other Asian countries to bring about this they would have no hesitation in doing so.

Kim is only a gate. He goes, they get another one.

tony draper
8th Mar 2013, 19:07
If Kim Jong had any real power he would have had his Barber executed.:uhoh:

stuckgear
8th Mar 2013, 19:08
There is an awful lot of military hardware in the Chinese provinces of Liaoning, Jilin and Heilongjiang, the three provinces north of the Korean border. China is neurotic about the security of its borders and it knows that if the DPRK were to go to war it would all end in tears for Pyongyang.

If that happened then China would want a hand in selecting a relatively neutral regime in North Korea and if that involves joining in militarily with the USA and other Asian countries to bring about this they would have no hesitation in doing so.



if N.Korea does start a nuke war, there wont be much in the way of tears, most salaine in will be evaporated in the first few seconds..

and besides, no matter who they kick off with many inbound nukes will probably have 'made in china' written somewhere on the hardware..

and N.Korea will probably end up a parking lot for china anyway.

Does anyone else giggle at the title Democratic People's Republic of North Korea..

i guess the N. Koreans do irony !

Sir George Cayley
8th Mar 2013, 19:33
Is it just me or was someone carrying a heavy load today on the news from NK?

And did it resonate with Hitler on the French coast looking at the White Cliffs of Dover?

SGC

Slasher
9th Mar 2013, 01:17
Does anyone else giggle at the title Democratic People's Republic of North Korea..

Democratic People's Republic of anything means its a commie dictatorial shithole.

sisemen
9th Mar 2013, 02:09
The slitty eyed little bastards seem awfully fond of the word "supreme".

sitigeltfel
9th Mar 2013, 04:49
If push came to shove, and NK started hostilities, China would have to be very wary of providing it with military or political support. Its entire industrial and economic empire, which relies heavily on the West to feed it, would overnight become toast.
China has used NK as a surrogate to provoke the West for decades. The rabid dog it created might just turn round and bite it.

arcniz
9th Mar 2013, 12:45
Surely the great threat to N.Korea is access by the N. Korea people to credible information abut the world outside their nervous borders.

Regimes that survive on misinformation and absolute isolation of their population from knowledge of the modern world just outside the border face a desperate struggle to hold the ground. One-shot thingies like nukes can;t begin to reverse the flow of time and social progress available in the world outside NK but easily able to penetrate info fences.

Problem is that it's difficult to un-nuke things.

Nuke-waving military lightweights can do a lot of harm, but stand little chance of successfully prevailing.

China can surely fix this problem in a relatively neat fashion, The nation would benefit greatly in global stature from taming those nasty mice soon. We can greatly hope the Chinese will step up to the plate and impose some limits on the unruly little neighbor on the North before great masses of innocent people meet the ultimate harm from misguided actions of the NK idiot politicians.

A measured but determinative response might set an illustrative example for Iran, as well.

Probably the thing is to just start broadcasting KPOP in gigawatts 24x7 pointed at NK, done with so much energy that even spoons and coat-hangars will transduce enough signal to convey the message to the North Korean masses.

Slasher
9th Mar 2013, 12:58
access by the N. Korea people to credible information abut the world outside
their nervous borders.

The ones I've run into during Pyongyang overnights (a rarity thank christ) don't even know
that Man has walked on the Moon.

And they think those tiny little bloody towels in their hotel rooms are the global norm! :rolleyes:

Victor Inox
9th Mar 2013, 13:20
When in VN in the 80s, I was often told privately by Vietnamese that their country would have been much better off if the Americans had won the war, judging by how the Americans treated their defeated enemies (Japan, Germany). Perhaps the Kim with the funny haircut is following a similar line of thought and hoping that Pyongyang will be flattened in due course, with lots of economic aid flowing in thereafter.

G-CPTN
9th Mar 2013, 13:24
the thing is to just start broadcasting KPOP in gigawatts 24x7 pointed at NK, done with so much energy that even spoons and coat-hangars will transduce enough signal to convey the message to the North Korean masses.Didn't work when mainland China blasted Formosa.

Slasher
9th Mar 2013, 13:30
..Yeh but the "Kim with the funny haircut" will first have to
go the same way as Tojo or Adolf if any aid is forthcoming.

chuks
9th Mar 2013, 14:51
The problem is that South Korea is terribly exposed to damage if war breaks out. Have a look at the map to see how close Seoul is to the DMZ. Then think about a tactic the VC and NVA used against us in Viet Nam, getting so close they could "grab us by the belt buckle," because that made our air and artillery almost useless. We would be faced by swarms of North Korean troops mixed in with the general South Korean population, something I am sure the North has already taken into account.

All this bluster about how we can flatten North Korea is just that, because it ignores the fact that victory would still see a devastated South Korea.

The North has this "hate" thing going, when its military has hatred of the US as a core belief. Hatred is blind, and it has nothing to do with logic, so if this is genuine hatred then it's a very dangerous thing in an opponent. We can still beat a gang of fanatic haters, but at what a cost?

It might be interesting to try just one very large bomb dropped right smack in the middle of the square when Kim Jong Un is ranting and raving in front of a mass crowd of his brain-washed followers, one of those thingies we use to create instant LZs. Followed, of course, by a full apology! Well, either that or else just... silence. "Bomb, what bomb?" Take out the whole top leadership, see what happens next, on the basis of "could it be anything worse, what comes after?"

Why that notion crossed my mind... I remember this redneck friend telling me about the time he was in a bar, when some other patron started in with that, "I"m gonna kick your ass..." ranting. So my friend decked him.

When the other fellow got up, he was whining about "Why did you do that?" when the explanation was that, well, he had just been telling everyone about how he was going to be doing some ass-kicking there, something my friend did not want to have to wait around for.

unclenelli
9th Mar 2013, 20:45
Anyone else Clock-Watching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_clock)?


It's currently 23:55, but the largest moves were -7 (good) minutes on the signing of SART (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Arms_Reduction_Treaty) and +5 (bad) minutes when Vietnam/6-Day/Indo-Pakistan wars & France-China testing started (1968) and India/Pakistan tit-for-tat nuke testing (1998).


+5 minutes now would probably make South Korea an Island off the coast of China.

ricardian
10th Mar 2013, 19:28
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63949_316226961832793_467282397_n.png

Milo Minderbinder
10th Mar 2013, 20:16
its worth reading some more of the vitriol thats come out of NorKland in the last couple of days - see News From KOREAN CENTRAL NEWS AGENCY of DPRK (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm)

two of the most disturbing ones are
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201303/news08/20130308-01ee.html
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201303/news08/20130308-16ee.html

it rather gives the impression of a runaway train.....theres a horrible indication that the rhetoric may become the main drivers of events. It may be too late to stop the North Koreans doing something stupid.....

SOPS
10th Mar 2013, 21:24
And what happens if the US parks a boomer off the NK coast? Whose bang will be bigger?

axefurabz
10th Mar 2013, 21:26
D'you think they use Google Translate?

dat581
10th Mar 2013, 22:52
One American SSBN could easily handle the job but even if the North managed somehow to hit the US with one if their small nukes would they respond in kind? Most of the radiation from such a strike would head east towards Japan thence Alaska, Canada and the lower 48 states. Better to use overwhelming air power to destroy the military and nuclear infrastructure to retaliate.

Rail Engineer
10th Mar 2013, 23:04
Pretty much all of this hyperbole spouted by North Korea is shite intended for the masses.

North Korea no longer has the tacit support of either Russia or China and the implications of standing against pretty much the whole of the world are already causing concerns within the regime.

In the meantime of course it has no option but to spout the usual Commie crap for internal Political reasons.

With Russia and especially China now enjoying the benefits of trade with the West you can be certain that the right people will be having suitable words with Kim Jong and making the point that any destabilisation of the power balance will almost certainly result in him suffering from a fatal medical condition.

One thing you can definitely be certain on is that the Left will kill or destroy anyone in its hierarchy who threatens the direction that it is heading in. Having tasted the seeds of wealth legitimately no-ne wants to go back to the days of bicycles and Trabants when the can be travelling the World without restriction and quietly putting away large sums of money into a nice little pension in the process.

stuckgear
10th Mar 2013, 23:29
Pretty much all of this hyperbole spouted by North Korea is shite intended for the masses.




yep and with N.Korea and its 'media' the people is the democratic [sic] Peoples Republic of Misery will be told the west, and everyone has been nuked and the new dear leader tried golf for the first time and managed 15 holes in one.

such is a propagandised population.

though if a nuke is dropped on DPRK, if DPRK does kick off, theres one thing that will unbearable to the point of inhumanity; the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the effing lefties. :hmm:

Rail Engineer
10th Mar 2013, 23:43
Not so sure about that Stuckgear.

Now that the Left in Russia and China and the various hangers on have realised they can legitimately make themselves rich without having to live in coarse military style uniforms, and can instead drive around in Jaguars and Rollers, to their very nice little Country mansion or weekend retreat without having to justify it to the masses, I think they will be very reluctant to give that up.

Western Eurpoean postings were always higjhly treasured by the former Communist Countries simply because the access it gave to clothes, food and other consumer goods.

And of course it is much more preferrable to enjoy the Culture of London and the clothes shops of New York without the fear of being accused of having "gone across".

I have no doubt that the wives of the apparatchicks of the Politbureau and the Peoples Ruling Party would be very vocal if their trips to London and New York were to be curtailed.

Lonewolf_50
11th Mar 2013, 15:37
And what happens if the US parks a boomer off the NK coast? Whose bang will be bigger

You don't need to park a "boomer" off the coast to reach a nation with SSBMs. Been true since the 1960's.

con-pilot
11th Mar 2013, 17:57
And most likely we would not need to use nuclear weapons to remove most of North Korea from the maps of the World.

After all, it is not the fault of the brainwashed populace that they are controlled by an extreme totalitarian system of government. North Koreans are taught from birth that the leader of their country is a God and can commit no errors*. After all, the government doesn't have all of those huge prisons all over North Korea for nothing.




* Kind of the way most Democrats view Obama. :p

11Fan
11th Mar 2013, 18:14
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1283174.1362776226!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/korea9n-3j9-web.jpg

Soldier: Great Leader, be careful.....

Kim: They couldn't hit an elephant at this distan......

11Fan
11th Mar 2013, 18:15
or,

"Wait, wait.. I see something. It's a spot, and it's getting bigger.

11Fan
11th Mar 2013, 18:22
or,

"OK, who is wise guy?"

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm107/APC11Fan/Kim_zpsf3f94fcd.png

stuckgear
11th Mar 2013, 18:27
:D

you guys crack me up !

Milo Minderbinder
11th Mar 2013, 18:44
Apparently Kim Il Sung had a thing for women. This press release cracked me up. I wonder who did the translation?


calendar>>March 8. 2013 Juch 102
Kim Jong Il's Loving Care for Women
Pyongyang, March 8 (KCNA) -- On International Women's Day, the Korean women are sorely missing leader Kim Jong Il, who had shown loving care for them in his lifetime.

Jong Yon Ok, management board chairwoman of the Yonan County Township Co-op Farm in South Hwanghae Province, told that Kim Jong Il was the benevolent father of all the people including the women.

Leader Kim Jong Il indicated the road for the women movement to follow in each period and stage of the revolution and wisely guided them to play a pivotal role in developing the country.

Whenever he met women during his field guidance, he highly appreciated their devoted service for the country and society and showed all sorts of solicitude for them.

In Juche 100 (2011) alone, the last year of his life, he personally met with a large number of women. Among them are cooks in Taehung Youth Hero Mine, called "Pyongyang girls", a biologist and a management board chairwoman, a weaver, a member of art groups of servicemen's families and an artiste.

The song "My Wife" and "Pomhyanggi"-trademarked cosmetics are representations of his loving care for the women.

With such warm love and deep trust, he trained the women to be true revolutionaries and heroes of the times.

That is why the Korean women have devoted all their wisdom and energies to building a prosperous and powerful socialist nation, true to his noble intention.

Ozzy
11th Mar 2013, 19:04
Why do we play nice? Just nuke the fcukers in N Korea. End of story.

Ozzy

Milo Minderbinder
11th Mar 2013, 19:08
"Just nuke the fcukers in N Korea"

because if you did, you'd irradiate South Korea, Japan, the Russian far east and China

Ronald Reagan
11th Mar 2013, 19:25
Plus the use of nuclear weapons against the North Koreans would certainly bring in the soon to be most powerful nation in the world against the west and fully on the side of the North Koreans.

lomapaseo
11th Mar 2013, 21:13
Plus the use of nuclear weapons against the North Koreans would certainly bring in the soon to be most powerful nation in the world against the west and fully on the side of the North Koreans.


I doubt it .... nobody wants a world war at that level.

However the rhetoric would be quite heavy and a few more sanctions

TURIN
11th Mar 2013, 21:35
I doubt it .... nobody wants a world war at that level.



Oh, I dunno.

One or two of Pprune's finest seem keen. :mad::ugh:

Sir George Cayley
11th Mar 2013, 21:52
I still say he looked like he was drunk.

SGC

con-pilot
11th Mar 2013, 22:36
If he was stupid enough to attack the US with a nuclear armed ICBM, I believe that China will take him out.

So I'd say the chances of the US being hit by North Korea with a nuclear weapon, is remote at best.

galaxy flyer
11th Mar 2013, 23:26
While I think a NK nuclear strike on North America is remote, the reaction of one would be very hard to predict or control. The pressure to a nuclear retaliatory strike would be immense; depending on the effects of NK's strike. It hits in the Pacific, no; it strikes a US city, even ANC, 80% chane of a basket of US sunshine.

GF

stuckgear
12th Mar 2013, 00:31
chance of a basket of US sunshine.


hehehe i like that turn of phrase.

Slasher
12th Mar 2013, 02:47
Zeitgeist: North Korea threatens NHL nuclear strike (http://www.lighthousehockey.com/2013/3/8/4077608/zeitgeist-north-korea-threatens-NHL-nuclear-strike-parody-satire).

VFD
12th Mar 2013, 03:46
So I'd say the chances of the US being hit by North Korea with a nuclear weapon, is remote at best
You just can not be too careful there Con.
That is why Obama is all over the country checking out the golf courses.
You just can not take a chance.:rolleyes:

VFD

rgbrock1
12th Mar 2013, 13:46
I'm not worried too much about a N. Korean nuke strike against the U.S. as I believe they don't yet have the capability to do so.
However, a tactical nuke against U.S. forces in S. Korea is a possibility. Although I believe that a remote possibility as well.

What I am concerned about, especially now as N. Korea seems to have taken their rhetoric to a much higher level, is a conventional attack against the south. Although I believe the U.S. and allies would prevail in the long run I think we'd see an awful lot of casualties on both sides. I don't think China or Russia would become involved again but the N. Koreans have an awful lot of firepower. It would be eventually suppressed and then destroyed but I fear the costs.

stuckgear
12th Mar 2013, 17:46
We could take pre-emptive action and send N.Korea all our lefties and socialists. Though, there may be some UN sanction about cruel and disproportionate punishment, or some such, that the N Koreans would lay claim to.

27mm
12th Mar 2013, 17:52
Interesting that you never see the Glorious Leader in anything but a bulky overcoat or anorak - presumably to hide the bulletproof jacket and Y-fronts....:cool:

Milo Minderbinder
12th Mar 2013, 23:13
more rhetorical overhype today in their press releases

Including a direct threat of a pre-emptive nuclear attack
http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2013/201303/news11/20130311-24ee.html

Second Korean War Is Unavoidable
Pyongyang, March 11 (KCNA) -- The Korean Peninsula is now on the brink of war due to the tightened political, economic and military pressure of the U.S. and its allied forces on the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Upset by the fact that the DPRK has smoothly been building a thriving socialist nation despite the persistent blockade on the part of the imperialist allied forces, the United States prodded the UN to adopting a "resolution on sanctions" against the DPRK, terming its peaceful satellite launch "development of long-range missile".

When the DPRK conducted its underground nuclear test of higher level in face of their ganger-like action, the U.S. and its followers invented a new UN "resolution on additional sanctions", which is aimed to overthrow the leadership and socialist system of the DPRK.

The "resolution" stipulates for checkup of the DPRK's airplanes, vessels, government employees and institutions abroad. This is just a wanton violation of its sovereignty and dignity, and it is as good as giving a green light to the second Korean War.

It totally denies the DPRK's self-defensive right and provides a pretext to stamp out it, while paving a way for openly launching military actions under the signboard of "nuclear nonproliferation".

In reality, the U.S. and its allied forces, including the south Korean puppet army, kicked off on March 1 Foal Eagle and Key Resolve joint military exercises, aimed at preemptive nuclear attack on the DPRK, throughout south Korea. Involved in the exercises, which has been staged on a full scale from Monday, are super-large nuclear-powered carrier task force carrying nuclear warheads, B-52H and other huge war means of the U.S. forces for making ground, sea and air nuclear strikes and its allied forces including south Korea, U.K. and Australia. The south Korean puppet brasshats went the lengths of making such reckless anti-DPRK remarks as "removal of the north's regime from the earth".

In face of the prevailing situation, the DPRK took tough countermeasures one after another. It declared that it would take strong counteractions in succession, void the Korean Armistice Agreement and all agreements on nonaggression between the north and the south and the joint declaration on denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, put a total halt to the operation of the Panmunjom mission of the Korean People's Army and cut off the north-south hotline in Panmunjom. It also expressed its will to exercise its right to making preemptive nuclear strike on the bases of the aggressors.

The important measures have enjoyed full support from all the servicepersons and civilians of the country, who are eagerly awaiting an order for the start of a sacred war for national reunification.

Army-people rallies took place in different parts of the country to harden their resolve to devotedly defend the country, rallied closer around their leader. Displayed in streets, villages, factories and farms, schools and all other parts of the country are slogan-boards and posters carrying such letters as "The respected Supreme Commander, just give us your order!", "Deal a sledgehammer blow at those encroaching upon our sovereignty!" and "Punish the aggressors without mercy and achieve national reunification!".

The army groups on the front, ground, naval, air and anti-air and strategic rocket units of the Korean People's Army, the Worker-Peasant Red Guards and the Young Red Guards have already launched an all-out action in line with the operational plan finally approved by Supreme Commander Kim Jong Un.

The Supreme Command of the KPA declared that the Armistice Agreement, which has existed for form's sake, would be completely invalid from March 11.

The world will witness how the DPRK wins in the fight against the aggression of the U.S.-led imperialist allied forces.

bubbers44
13th Mar 2013, 01:42
Let them launch their arsenal at us and see what happens to them. They can't be that stupid or are they? The kid has no military experience at all so what could he do. Sorry, I forgot, neither do we have that leadership. Sorry. Disregard my last coment.

con-pilot
13th Mar 2013, 03:48
where's mine. A look at the United States through the eyes of North Korea.

LiveLeak.com - North Korea tells its people how Americans live today

Actually it's pretty funny.

I WANT MY HOT SNOW!!!!!

:p

11Fan
13th Mar 2013, 04:45
Birds.... Mmmm Tasty.

And Thank You North Korea for the tasty cake.

KAG
13th Mar 2013, 06:34
http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2013/03/13/534x0/1846978_5_850e_au-total-700-vols-ont-ete-effectues-au-nord_35bdda0f4ae58370b4445d8e871a29f1.jpg

Last news: North Korean army is getting all excited all of a sudden, their air force keep flying around, and the north government doesn't answer to the south anymore.

What doest that mean? I don't know.

SINGAPURCANAC
13th Mar 2013, 06:42
I think that USA just waiting that. If they attack with that aircraft (735) Lockheed Martin could easily claim that F 22 is just perfect. :}:E;):):}:}

chuks
13th Mar 2013, 12:46
Interesting take on things, that. The birds have all been eaten, except for the ones that shall be eaten on Tuesday....

lomapaseo
13th Mar 2013, 14:56
I was struck by the video.

Who is being mislead here?

Could the video be fake as well?

radeng
13th Mar 2013, 17:33
I easily believe that the USN has some super-large aircraft carriers, but not THAT big..

>Involved in the exercises, which has been staged on a full scale from Monday, are super-large nuclear-powered carrier task force carrying nuclear warheads, B-52H and other huge war means....<

Or has the B-52H got miniaturised?

rgbrock1
13th Mar 2013, 17:40
radeng:

You don't think B-52's can fit on an aircraft carrier?

http://byfiles.storage.msn.com/y1pzZSH5au8AuiVoUWWENh_RuwkSSLDqiPqNc4pqBCzTvPqOQpSKQyWkOLtZ proaQkb?PARTNER=WRITER

:p:p:p

hellsbrink
13th Mar 2013, 18:10
http://s1.lemde.fr/image/2013/03/13/534x0/1846978_5_850e_au-total-700-vols-ont-ete-effectues-au-nord_35bdda0f4ae58370b4445d8e871a29f1.jpg

"And if you get captured by the Americans, it will be best if you get down on your knees and use this approved action to pacify him. Don't be worried by the size, it will not hurt you"

West Coast
13th Mar 2013, 20:43
Hope they get folding wings on it, at least the right wing.

El Grifo
13th Mar 2013, 21:45
Say what you want about The Great Leader, but that song of his "Gangnam Style" wop, wop, really caught on like a world on fire.

Wop, Wop :eek:

pigboat
13th Mar 2013, 22:29
I easily believe that the USN has some super-large aircraft carriers, but not THAT big..

Hah! Wait'll we show up with our aircraft carrier, the HMCS Pierre Elliot Trudeau, that'll scare the livin' shyte right outta them.

http://www.vickersviscount.net/images/Photos_Small/100099.jpg

galaxy flyer
13th Mar 2013, 22:38
Pigboat

Well. I see the Canadian Forces are gearing up for the defense of the Northwest Passage. A couple more carriers like that and the Yanks won't dare declare the Passage an "international strait" again.

GF

chuks
13th Mar 2013, 22:51
No worries, mate. They just fire up those four Darts and the noise alone will make us run away. "Converters"... because they convert Jet-A into noise.

CityofFlight
14th Mar 2013, 01:15
rgbrock...would love to see the catapult system in action, that stops that! :p;)

Cacophonix
14th Mar 2013, 01:21
The Koreans are not to be taken too lightly (I saw what the North could do in Matabeleland)...

Clearly nukes are not part of the equation but still... bad karma...

Caco

pigboat
14th Mar 2013, 02:58
Well. I see the Canadian Forces are gearing up for the defense of the Northwest Passage.
Naw, gonna patrol Lake Champlain in case them Green Mountain Boys get restless. :p

KAG
14th Mar 2013, 03:16
Yes Caco, I don't really like what's going on too.

I hope this is once more only to try to impress.

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 12:15
CoF wrote:

rgbrock...would love to see the catapult system in action, that stops that!

No catapult needed, CoF. This particular type of B52 is a VTOL aircraft. Made just for carrier landings. :}:}:}

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 12:22
caco wrote:

The Koreans are not to be taken too lightly (I saw what the North could do in Matabeleland)...This is true. however, the South Koreans are not to be taken too lightly either. Having trained with ROK soldiers on several occasions it occurred to me that the ROK army is probably one of the most professional and competent armies on the planet. And highly motivated to kick ass.

Had it not been for the entrance of Chinese forces back in the day, the battle of the Chosin reservoir would have been an outright rout of N Korean forces by American, British and S Korean forces. As it was, the Allies bloodied the Chinese noses big time during the battle. Especially the 1st US Marine Division as they broke out from the reservoir and destroyed some 5,000 Chinese Army regulars.

My point? North Korea has a big mouth. The regime talks a lot of shit. But if that shit ever did hit the fan I reckon the North Korean regime (the Kim dynasty) would cease to exist in short order AND the North Korean armed forces would suffer the same fate as the Iraqi army did, twice.

radeng
14th Mar 2013, 12:44
RGB,

Don't forget the 1st Battalion of the Gloucestershire Regiment and the battle of the Imjin River. By order of President Truman, the Gloucestershire Regiment was awarded the Presidential Unit Citation.

Incidentally, the ROK government has just made a big donation for the Korean War museum in Gloucester.

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 12:58
radeng:

I am familiar with the battle of which you wrote. however, I thought the British forces were comprised of the 29th Infantry Brigade? Is the Gloucestershire Regiment part of that?

Regardless, the British preformed exemplary on the field during this conflict.

chuks
14th Mar 2013, 13:14
I was telling my little libtard friends the other day about the monument to the Battle of Bennington, how it was in the wrong place (Bennington) since the actual fight took place miles away, over in New York State, and how that was not so much a battle with the British as just a hill fight between us and ze Chermans.

"What, no... we were fighting the British... weren't we?" Well, no, actually, not that time. We fought some German troops who had been hired by the British, along with some Loyalist traitors, and assorted Indians who said "Sod this for a game of soldiers," and naffed off homewards, thus changing the course of history forever.

So, we would have won the Korean War except for the way we sort of lost it due to the Chinese? Uh-huh....

Come on guys! The North Koreans can do so much damage to the South that they are holding us to ransom. Yes, of course we could stomp them flat, but there would not be much left of downtown Seoul afterwards. The problem now might be this new Beloved Ruler, who may have a shaky grasp of how much he can get away with due to his youth and his lack of knowledge of the outside world.

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 13:18
chuks:

Are you going to say that had the Chinese not entered the war the UN would not have prevailed?

Take the Chinese out of the equation then Korea is one again. With its' capital in Seoul.

chuks
14th Mar 2013, 15:19
I would like to say that the Chinese did enter the war, so that the U.N. did not prevail! On the other hand, if the U.N. had not entered the war, then Korea would now be one under the flag of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. If those storms had not blown up, Japan would now be one under the flag of the Mongols, and if she had wheels, your aunt would be a tea cart. It's all in how we look at past events.

What happens, happens, hence our present saying, "Sh*t happens." You can imagine a future that is far better without this little grease ball, Kim Jong Un, and his sorry excuse for a government, but can you imagine a way to get rid of him and his government that does not involve destructive war?

Many commentators are worried simply by what may happen if North Korea collapses, the burden that should place on South Korea. How much worse would a war be: ten times worse? Still, it may come to that, yes. If it does, I think you can pretty well forget all of our guys right there on the DMZ. They will just be speed bumps on the road to Seoul. Look up "human wave attacks" to see what I mean.

sisemen
14th Mar 2013, 15:26
Loyalist traitors

Erm....at the time the rightful government and authority lay with Britain therefore anyone fighting against them were the traitors.

sitigeltfel
14th Mar 2013, 15:50
Re the current NK “defensive” exercises.

They will huff and puff, let off a few squibs on the ranges, shout slogans and wave banners. Then in a week or so they will call it all off, and little Kim will be able to tell his people that his actions have scared away the hated Yankee aggressors.


Sorted!

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 16:19
chuks:

Although one of my Aunts certainly did not have wheels, turning her into a virtual tea cart, she did think - in her later demented days - that she was the Virgin Mary.

Does that count? :}

BenThere
14th Mar 2013, 16:47
If it does, I think you can pretty well forget all of our guys right there on the DMZ.

I'm not so sure. Our doctrine is evolving, more out of fiscal necessity than anything else, such that any full on invasion of S. Korea will be met with an overwhelming nuclear response that will eliminate the NK threat once and for all.

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 17:00
You aren't serious are you BenThere.

Do you really believe that a North Korean excursion south of the DMZ will be met with a nuclear counter-attack?

They may have worked, had it been needed, at the Fulda Gap. That will not work at the DMZ. Mainly because of N Korea's northern neighbor. You know, that big country which owns most of us?

BenThere
14th Mar 2013, 17:02
It's not me, Grasshopper. I'm the messenger.

con-pilot
14th Mar 2013, 17:45
Many commentators are worried simply by what may happen if North Korea collapses, the burden that should place on South Korea

I don't why, as when the 'Wall' came down and Germany unified, that seemed to work out very well and smoothly.

hellsbrink
14th Mar 2013, 18:12
REALLY, C-P?

How many years did those in the former "West" complain about how much of their money was being spent on the former "East"? What is the current economic condition of both the former "East" and "West" (Hint (http://qz.com/60481/why-the-former-east-germany-is-lagging-24-years-after-the-berlin-wall-came-down/))?

And that's before we start on the small matter of how the population of the former "East" hadn't been brainwashed from birth into believing that the person who reigned over them was someone who was "Divine", that the whole ruling family are somehow "God".

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 18:24
con:

Having lived in the then West Germany at the time the wall came tumbling down I can assure you that the reintegration of the East back into the Vaterland did not proceed smoothly and is still a work in progress. There was a lot of resentment on both sides, after the initial euphoria died down, once it became known what the cost would be for the reintegration. There were also matters of a cultural aspect which weren't initially addressed or thought of beforehand. (Yes, the East Germans were still German but after living for so many years under the paw of the Soviet bear, the eastern culture took on a different life of its own. Where the West Germans toiled endlessly at remaking their country, the East Germans were basically handed everything.)

There's a lot more to it but, again, I can assure you that the reintegration of East Germany into West Germany, and the resultant Germany, was not a smooth process and one which was extremely costly to the Western side of the country.

con-pilot
14th Mar 2013, 18:33
REALLY, C-P?


As compared to what could have happened, yes. It was a very peaceful transition.

Just imagine how much different it would have been if East Germany had been the surviving/controlling governing government of a unified Germany?

Same with North Korea if they should come out on top.

This part of your post, is what I am talking about:

And that's before we start on the small matter of how the population of the former "East" hadn't been brainwashed from birth into believing that the person who reigned over them was someone who was "Divine", that the whole ruling family are somehow "God".

Just think about it going the other way, very frightening and would result in many deaths of the common citizens as a direct result of a unification.

They didn't have to build any 'unification' camps in Germany as they did in Viet Nam, when North Viet Nam "unified" North and South Viet Nam into one country.

hval
14th Mar 2013, 18:34
Con-Pilot,

Unfortunately I have to agree with rgbrock1 and others. The wessification of the ossies did not go down at all well. There was an awful lot of investment that took place in East Germany at the detriment of West Germany. In fact more than was needed in the end. Lots of unused buildings. Ossies got given an awful lot as well. Many people were begging outside stations in Germany as well.

I remember it well.

hellsbrink
14th Mar 2013, 19:01
Well, c-p.

Yes, the initial transition was peaceful but that was for reasons that would never happen with Korea, hence the comment about the brainwashed population.


Now, the hypothetical "East Germany on top" scenario would never have come to light without a war, same as it would never happen in Korea. Why? Simple. How many people were shot trying to escape to the East, how many people ended up as political prisoners (even making the parts for IKEA furniture!!) in West Germany, how many were trapped behind a big wall that West Germany didn't build? It was the people who said "ENOUGH" and were able to make the change, and that would never happen with North Korea (back to the brainwashing again). You have to admit it, it would not have happened, would it.

They may not have had "unification camps" in East Germany, but they sure had their own treatment for political prisoners, including access to Siberia. There was still the secret police, there was still the oppression. All of that suddenly stopped, and it sure as hell wasn't the "East" who picked up the pieces and paid for them to be sorted out, and even then there is still a huge difference in the economies of both "halves" of the country as you can see in the link in my post.

So, I'm sorry, but to say that everything "worked out well" is a fantasy as the "East" still has lower wages, a higher risk of poverty, poorer health and higher unemployment than the "West", and that is 24 years after reunification. And since there is still that "difference" between the two regions formerly known as "East" and "West" Germany you can safely say it sure as hell wasn't a "smooth" transition either, not once the initial euphoria wore off and the "West" realised what was needed and what the bill would be...

BenThere
14th Mar 2013, 19:25
Nevertheless, the reunification of Germany has been peaceful, and with my compliments, more seamless than I expected. Germany remains the bulwark of the Euro economy. The generational dislocations that had to be overcome were immense, but Germany, to my satisfaction, has been up to the challenge.

I did spend some time in the East, driving from Liege to Dresden and back, observing and engaging with some Eastern villagers, who had never seen an American.

I found the experience refreshing, even though I concede it was anecdotal. You can't expect the toll and yoke of severe Socialism to be cast aside, forgetten, and repaired overnight once it has controlled the life of a nation for any length of time. But gradually, life improves. We'll see the same phenomena in Venezuala, hopefully.

Fareastdriver
14th Mar 2013, 19:26
IF I was runnng South Korea I would keep the status quo. The thought of millions of North Koreans pouring into he South Korean cities looking for work would be a nightmare.

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 19:27
Fareastdriver:

I think the Chinese think similarly to the S Koreans as far as that's concerned.

500N
14th Mar 2013, 19:31
Far East

Agree.

The key to making it all work would be to keep the north Korean people
where they are and set up everything needed there.

You have a virtual Greenfields site across the whole country
so with a bit of planning it could go well.

rgbrock1
14th Mar 2013, 19:37
500N wrote:

You have a virtual Greenfields site across the whole country

Or a glass parking lot if they continue on the road their collective mouths are leading them.

BenThere
14th Mar 2013, 20:24
Or a glass parking lot if they continue on the road their collective mouths are leading them

That's a 180 from your post at the top of the page, RGB, you know, the one where you asked me, "You aren't serious."

radeng
14th Mar 2013, 20:57
RGB,

The 29th Infantry Brigade consisted of three British and one Belgian infantry battalions (Belgian United Nations Command) supported by tanks and artillery.

According to a memorandum presented to the British cabinet on 26 June 1951, 29th Brigade suffered 1,091 casualties, including 34 officers and 808 other ranks missing. These casualties represented 20 to 25 per cent of the brigade’s strength on the eve of battle. Of the 1,091 soldiers killed, wounded or missing, 620 were from the Gloucestershire Regiment, which could muster 217 men on 27 April. 522 soldiers of the Gloucestershire Regiment became prisoners of war. Of those taken prisoner, 180 were wounded and a further 34 died while in captivity. 59 soldiers of the Gloucestershire Regiment were killed in action. Based on estimates, Chinese casualties in the Battle of the Imjin River can be put at around 10,000. As a result of the casualties suffered during the battle, the Chinese 63rd Army, which had begun the offensive with three divisions and approximately 27,000 men, had lost over a third of its strength and was pulled out of the front line.

In April 1954 (2 years after the battle) the British Railways Western Region Locomotive 5017 'St Donat's Castle' was renamed 'The Gloucestershire Regiment 28th 61st' in honour of the regiment. Unusually, it was allocated to the Gloucester Motive Power Depot before being withdrawn and sold for scrap in in September 1962. I don't know where the name plates went - possibly to the Great Western Steam museum in Swindon.

I think I've told this tale before on JB. The first time I went to Seoul in about 1983 or 84, it was from Japan. We were all lined up at customs and in front of me was BIG Texan with a sh*t load of beautiful tooled pigs skin leather luggage. So he was loudly shooting his mouth off about how slow they were. Got to his turn and he couldn't open the bags as fast as his mouth - not fast enough, so the customs guy produced a ground down hack saw blade and just cut the bags open. The Texan was almost in tears.

The next day was a Sunady and I went for a tourist bus trip round Seoul. At one hotel, three guys in Arab dress got on, accopmanied by a Korean in western clothes with a sports jacket with a rather obvious bulge at the left armpit. He started talking to me - 'I am Captain Kim, I am policeman'.

So I told him about the customs guys and he got agitated. 'You are English, yes?'

'You had no trouble?'

'Here in Korea we remember that we are free because of the English and the Glorious Gloucesters.'

Sorry, Americans................

Every April, there is a Remembrance service close to Gloster Hill. Without the stand of the Glosters, it is highly probable that Seoul would have fallen to the Communists, and then there's a big question as to whether or not the UN could have got it back.

Which is how they earned the Presidential Unit Citation.

Good for Harry Truman.....


Am I mistaken in thinking that in that time, there was more respect for the President than there appears to be these days?

Or were the Presidents considered more worthy of respect than now?

con-pilot
14th Mar 2013, 21:46
Am I mistaken in thinking that in that time, there was more respect for the President than there appears to be these days?

If you are talking about Truman, not really, he was reelected by a very slim margin and by the time he left office his popularity was pretty low. Overall Truman is much more admired and respected today than during the height of the Korean War. His open and public fight with MacArthur damaged Truman's popularity a lot. MacArthur at that time was hugely popular with the American public and if he had desired, could have most likely won the Presidency, it was offered but MacArthur turned the offer down.

But as time passes, it appears that 'most'* presidents are forgiven by their old adversaries of their assumed transgresses while they were in office. When Reagan died, was/is a perfect example.


* The most notable exception of this of course, would be Richard M. Nixon. :p

Andu
14th Mar 2013, 21:54
chuks said: Many commentators are worried simply by what may happen if North Korea collapses, the burden that should place on South Korea. How much worse would a war be: ten times worse? Still, it may come to that, yes. We can only hope and pray that if unification ever comes, it goes the way of the two Germanys (with all the pain that that involved) rather than with a bang. Having said that, I think a 'peaceful' reunification of Korea will make the pain and expense both sides in Germany endured, significant as it undoubtedly was, pale into insignificance.

I'm sure there have been a few very high level 'think talks' conducted by the Rand Corporation and similar organisations, both in the US and South Korea, positing what will happen, both short term and long term, in a reunified Korea. I'd be guessing that the results of any such studies would not make for comfortable reading, particularly for the South Korean economy.

The West is currently struggling to cope with what some call "only a trickle" (compared to what it could become) of economic refugees from the Third World deserting their own failing economies and attempting to enjoy a better life in the West. Blind Freddie can see that in a newly reunified Korea, many, many North Koreans would look south of the 38th Parallel when they are allowed to see an unfiltered version of life in the South and that same Blind Freddie could see that quite a few of them would 'walk the walk' as well as 'talk the talk'.

I would imagine those Rand Corporation think tanks would have come to the inescapable conclusion that within a year or two of a Korean reunification, many of those ex-North Korean refugees, with the South Korean 'promised land' unable to offer all of them any semblance of 'the good life', would be looking further afield, and wondering how the wider world could hope to cope with them.

It would not just be the numbers, (which I suspect would be significant), but more importantly, the attitudes of many of the people involved that would be worrying those think tanks. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many ex-KBG and Stasi people turned their unique skills to one of the few areas where those skills could be turned to a profit in a Western society - organised crime. The Russian Mafia made the Italian Mafia look like pussies. The North Koreans are said to have a million+ men under arms, many of whom would have no other skills at all. Can you imagine how such men would fit in - and flourish - in the underworld of any Western country?

Those same Western countries would have to introduce - and implement - laws almost as stringent as those we abhor in countries like North Korea to keep them under control.

All in all, not a pretty prospect, from many, many angles.

tony draper
14th Mar 2013, 22:01
How will the North Koreans react when they suddenly find out we dont all eat snow and they have been fed lies for sixty years.
I mean I believe the average Russian man in the street was pretty cynical about the bullshit they were fed under communism but those silly buggas in NK seem to really believe it.
:uhoh:

G-CPTN
14th Mar 2013, 22:17
http://www.pprune.org/7230827-post56.html

MTOW
14th Mar 2013, 23:06
Can you imagine how such men would fit in - and flourish - in the underworld of any Western country? Hmmm... not sure of the 'fitting in' bit. I suspect that, within a rather short period of time, they'd carry out a pretty comprehensive culling of the 'pussy' home grown lot - (who, in my neck of the woods at least, have a pretty wide representation from among first and second generation new arrivals from other parts of the Third World after they culled the original home grown lot).

Who came mainly from the previous mob of new arrivals.

Who came mainly from the previous mob of new arrivals.

And so it goes...

chuks
14th Mar 2013, 23:30
Both Germanies expected reunification to go better than it has done. Not least, East Germany was judged to be the strongest economy in Comecon. They had been doing a good trade in machine tools, for instance, but partly because they were priced right. Once the cost of their goods shot up close to the cost of Western goods, due to currency reform, pegging the Ostmark at 1:1 with the Dmark, it was game over.

West Germans are still paying a tax surcharge to help with the costs of reunification, but many areas of the East are still plagued by joblessness. On the other hand, I do hear about students going there to study, in preference to universities in the West, so that it's not all bad.

East Germany at its worst would seem like paradise to a North Korean, I bet. Their country seems to be hollowed out, only kept going with Chinese support by Stalinist rule. It's as hard to see how it can keep going as it is to imagine what happens next.

I keep thinking about Rumania, another one of those places nobody could imagine having a change of government, until one day someone laughed at Ceaucescu during a speech. Then it all unraveled with astonishing speed.

G-CPTN
14th Mar 2013, 23:42
pegging the Ostmark at 1:1 with the Dmark, it was game over.
When the unofficial rate in 1989 was 10 Ostmarks to the Dmark . . .

Prices in Ostmarks were ridiculously low, even if you paid Dmarks instead.
As I remarked, were were frequently given change in Ostmarks when we had paid using Dmarks, but it wasn't worth fussing about as the actual price was minimal.

Basics such as public transport and accommodation were very very low cost.

In some respects 10 Ostmarks to the Dmark should have been 100 Ostmarks to the Dmark.

chuks
15th Mar 2013, 02:59
My German wife went into a bate when a friendly local concluded a tour of his crumbling sub-village by putting his hand out. I didn't have any small change so I asked my wife for 5 marks. She went a bit mad then, saying, "These people are not German!"

I told her, "Oh yeah, they are Germans, but just poor Germans. You never met any before." I didn't bring up ze war, how you could have had one of her aunties for a Hershey bar then if you were a Yank, or merely by asking nicely if you were a Russian.

I wonder, has Slasher noticed the growing role of North Korean women in the Chinese porn industry? It seemed like the sort of thing he might have perked right up over, hearing about that. "Pastures new," and all that.

KAG
15th Mar 2013, 10:29
Enjoy (how North Korea sees USA):

MSN Entertainment - (http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=4&from=en-us_msnhp#/video/85746905-0ab0-c6c7-c62f-97b5c11eac09)

Americans saved by North Korean coffee and blanket! ;)

rgbrock1
15th Mar 2013, 12:34
BenThere wrote:

hat's a 180 from your post at the top of the page, RGB, you know, the one where you asked me, "You aren't serious."

I was trying to be facetious, BenThere. But I couldn't find the 'facetious smiley' on the right-hand side of the compose window.

Mods, can you come up with a 'facetious smiley' please? Thanks.

rgbrock1
15th Mar 2013, 12:37
con wrote:

The most notable exception of this of course, would be Richard M. Nixon

And GEORGE W. BUSH as well. (You knew that would be added didn't you? Because we all know: it was BUSH'S FAULT.) :}

radeng
15th Mar 2013, 15:20
And probably the least remembered would be Gerald Ford.

sisemen
15th Mar 2013, 15:56
KAG see post #73. :=

KAG
15th Mar 2013, 16:20
Oooops... Guilty: haven't read the whole thread... :O