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rgbrock1
4th Mar 2013, 14:45
I know this question might seem daft on my part but I'll ask anyway. I often see either photos or video of the Queen when she's out and about in public. Now I know security details which accompany heads-of-state usually appear conspicuous. (Like the US President's Secret Service detail.) However, in many of the pictures or videos of the Queen I see what appear to be a lack of security around her. Perhaps they are indeed there but "blend in" very well but one would be hard-pressed to pick them out.

So, the question is: who handles the Queen's security?

hellsbrink
4th Mar 2013, 14:51
I believe that is the job of SO14, the Royalty Protection Branch of London's Metropolitan Police.

Capetonian
4th Mar 2013, 14:52
In respect of the British Queen, I can't answer the question, but there is a possibly apocryphal story about the Queen of Denmark.

Apparently she was seen walking along a pedestrian street, and a local pointed this out to a tourist who aksed : "Who looks after her safety?"

The reply was : "We all do."

MagnusP
4th Mar 2013, 14:53
Here you go, RGB.

Protection Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_Command)

thing
4th Mar 2013, 14:55
Some of the geezers in fancy dress, the footmen on coaches and stuff are security. I think the Royals like to keep it looking low key cf the US Secret Service who want to make it very conspicuous.

tony draper
4th Mar 2013, 14:55
Those chaps in red coats shiny breast plates and shiny plumed helmets mounted on big horses with fekin big swords at their sides
Cold steel ,they dont like it up em.
:rolleyes:

rgbrock1
4th Mar 2013, 14:55
Thanks for the link, Magnus. :ok:

They certainly do a very good job of keeping themselves low-key and virtually invisible. (Unlike the US President's secret service detail which sticks out like a sore thumb.)

Ozzy
4th Mar 2013, 14:55
And when she is riding in one of those royal ceremonial coaches in a procession the two guys standing on the coach behind her in the gaudy uniforms are gun packing cops - blending in :)

Ozzy

Solid Rust Twotter
4th Mar 2013, 14:57
Similar anecdote during one of the summits in a Scandinavian country when Mbeki demanded a limo with security escort and motorcycle outriders. He was gently informed their own Prime Minister would often get around on a bicycle. All went right over his head, of course...

1DC
4th Mar 2013, 15:03
Didn't some goon fire a blank pistol at her when she was on her way to the Trooping of the Colour once? As far as i recall, as Mr.D points out, he got a big bloke on a horse down his throat (who had already put himself in the way of the Queen), and a big Copper,and a load of people and probably a few Guards as well. I recall reading that she only allows security to go so far and she prefers to take her chances after that..

sitigeltfel
4th Mar 2013, 15:05
They certainly do a very good job of keeping themselves low-key and virtually invisible. (Unlike the US President's secret service detail which sticks out like a sore thumb.)

If you have ever seen a US President play golf you will notice that there are at least two more golf bags than players.

rgbrock1
4th Mar 2013, 15:14
Spare golf bags in case he breaks a few clubs? :}

Checkboard
4th Mar 2013, 15:29
1981 - Trooping the Colour - Queen Shot At - YouTube

500N
4th Mar 2013, 15:31
Like that big hairy guardsman that initially jumped on him.:ok:

cavortingcheetah
4th Mar 2013, 15:35
Who handles the queen's security?
The Corgis.

DX Wombat
4th Mar 2013, 15:38
I think the Royal Family is also well trained in what to do in the event of an untoward occurence. Princess Anne recently gave a television interview during which she was asked about the infamous kidnap attempt. The gunman tried to get her out of the car to which she replied "Not blydi likely!"
Here's an earlier interview with Michael Parkinson. It makes interesting viewing, HRH has a lot of courage.

Princess Anne talks on 1974 kidnap attempt - YouTube

charliegolf
4th Mar 2013, 15:38
Not much will convince a Guardsman on royal duty to not, "YOU THERE, STAND STILL!", but pointing a gun at HMTQ will.

That stupid boy is very lucky he wasn'y bayoneted or lignum vitae-ed to death.

CG

handsfree
4th Mar 2013, 15:42
When I bumped into her in Derby there were several gentlemen in dark overcoats who had unobtrusive wiggly wires going in their ear holes. They tended to be very rude turning their backs to Brenda and being quite nosey about who was around.
They didn't smile a lot either.

G-CPTN
4th Mar 2013, 15:46
High and low security: Britain's tallest policeman Anthony Wallyn stood guard with Met's shortest officer outside hospital where Queen was treated for gastroenteritis - Crime - UK - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/high-and-low-security-britains-tallest-policeman-anthony-wallyn-stood-guard-with-mets-shortest-officer-outside-hospital-where-queen-was-treated-for-gastroenteritis-8518841.html)

airship
4th Mar 2013, 15:47
This is Al Qaeda of North Africa speaking. We have hijacked airship's account temporarily (or even temporarily).

We too, would like to know about HM QEII's security: I know this question might seem daft on my part but I'll ask anyway. I often see either photos or video of the Queen when she's out and about in public. Now I know security details which accompany heads-of-state usually appear conspicuous. (Like the US President's Secret Service detail.) However, in many of the pictures or videos of the Queen I see what appear to be a lack of security around her. Perhaps they are indeed there but "blend in" very well but one would be hard-pressed to pick them out.

So, the question is: who handles the Queen's security?

rgbrock1, may your own God bless you for your efforts if fruitful?! :confused: But are you looking for just 1 or 2 virgins? Usually, the minimum contribution we require is sufficient for 72.

PS. If you're still looking for those photos of Kate, you will perhaps be better off using Google "+Kate" and additional details ina foreign language, like Italian or whatever...

rgbrock1
4th Mar 2013, 15:50
Ahhh, airship. There you are.

Back to sniffing glue again I see.

Carry on.

500N
4th Mar 2013, 15:56
RGB

Don't you love it :O

Jump up and down on a forum when you have
Wiki, youtube, 400+ events a year to go to to
see for yourself :O

Re your Pres, you guys do wrap them up in cotton wool !

Checkboard
4th Mar 2013, 16:00
BBC 9 o'clock News - 27th January 1994 - YouTube

Loose rivets
4th Mar 2013, 16:17
That kid that fired blanks near the queen, could well have killed her if he'd been equipped with a real gun. As I recall, there was nothing between them as he fired.





Damn edit thing. Editbegone! :( Edit, vanish! That didn't work Edit, go away. Shazam!

Loose rivets
4th Mar 2013, 16:18
Coo, one of those words worked!

500N
4th Mar 2013, 16:22
Loose

That would apply at some point during the day unless she and other VIP's
walked around in bullet proof bubbles all the time.

B Fraser
4th Mar 2013, 16:44
President Obama arrived at Buck House last year with the usual entourage of helicopters, security detail, special presidential transfusion blood, nuclear button suitcase etc. etc.

Prince Philip greeted him and is reputed to have looked at the fleet of vehicles and said "Oh, so you got here safely then".

:D

Checkboard
4th Mar 2013, 16:45
He could easily have killed her, even using the blanks. Falling from a side saddle mount for a person in her (at the time) 50s would be pretty dangerous.

Mr Chips
4th Mar 2013, 17:16
If you watch the Prince Charles clip carefully, you can lip read him saying "missed" :E (Eddie Izzard has a very funny routine based on it)

The security is always there, but very discreet. You won't often see them even if you look for them...

probes
4th Mar 2013, 17:26
But she looks so sweet - isn't it weird how some people get prettier when older?

Lon More
4th Mar 2013, 17:40
I don't think my deleted post was at all offensive. It might have raised the pro shoot 'em all let God sort them out lobby collective blood pressure slightly, but was no better, or worse, than some of the follow ups.

This is JB.

VP959
4th Mar 2013, 17:44
My guess is that the apparently lower level of security around the Queen when compared to that around the President of the United States of America has to do with the relatively low risk of assassination, as much as anything else.

IIRC, four US presidents are known to have been assassinated, a couple may have been assassinated and there have been around a dozen unsuccessful assassination attempts over a period of about 223 years. That makes being US President a pretty risky job, with an assassination rate of around 1 every 50 years or less.

On the other hand, the number of assassinated English Kings or Queens in the past 1200 years or so is more modest, just 1, and that was back in 1058. Mind you, we've beheaded a few, and a few died in battle, but those don't really count as assassinations.

It looks like there really isn't a very great risk of the Queen being assassinated, whereas there is probably a fair risk of President Obama being at risk. The superstitious might point out that it's about 50 years since the last US Presidential assassination, so on the law of averages you're due another one soon....................

Lon More
4th Mar 2013, 17:46
the number of assassinated English Kings or Queens in the past 1200 years or so is more modest

and much more civilised; red hot poker up the fundament.

obgraham
4th Mar 2013, 19:14
I think that penalty of being drawn, hung, and quartered, after your chitlins and bollocks get fried in front of you, has been enough to dissuade yer average regicide aspirant.

sled dog
4th Mar 2013, 19:37
Some years ago on holiday in Jockistan (Mrs Dog is a Scot ) about to enter a roundabout in Glenrothes ( Fife ) stopped by a motorcycle cop. About 100 meters behind him was a posh car ( Daimler ? ) flying a nice standard. Car followed by another police bike. HMTQ and Phill gave us a wave :ok: Second bike goes ahead, first bike waves us through. Who needs dozens of security men. :cool: ( HMTQ on official visit beyond Hadrians Wall )

500N
4th Mar 2013, 19:39
I like the fact that she keeps security "at a distance" and
as was said before, "takes her chances". I think it makes
her more popular because she has no major issue going
"walkabout".

OFSO
4th Mar 2013, 19:49
red hot poker up the fundament

Never happened. See "The Greatest Traitor" by Ian Mortimer. Edward II was seen on many occasions after his supposedly anus-shattering treatment in 1327, Edward III knew this, and when he was made a Vicar of the Holy Roman Empire in September 1338 at Koblenz, his father visited him as William le Galeys, travelled with the royal party to Antwerp, and remained with them for three weeks while Queen Phillipa gave birth to his grandson. There are many other reports of the travels of Edward II in Europe after his 'death'.

DISCLAIMER: I am not a clever-clogs, I just happen to have the book handy and an erudite wife who knows history back to front and up and down and in and - especially - out.

OFSO
4th Mar 2013, 19:51
after your chitlins and bollocks get fried

But the chance for marvellously witty last words: "I hope there's no horse in that !" Unless of course you happen to be HRH Princess Anne.

PLovett
4th Mar 2013, 19:58
The attempt on Princess Anne was far more serious, albeit that it was an attempt to kidnap her rather than shoot her.

The inspector from the security detail took 3 rounds while trying to protect the Princess and a PC on duty nearby was also shot while trying to apprehend the kidnapper, Ian Ball, as was a journalist who tried to intervene.

tony draper
4th Mar 2013, 20:01
In the words of English Bob
"Shoot a President? well, I mean ,why not"
:rolleyes:

toffeez
4th Mar 2013, 20:08
OFSO, I've seen your poker in your photo with Mrs OF and a pretend holy man.

Dushan
4th Mar 2013, 20:56
My guess is that the apparently lower level of security around the Queen when compared to that around the President of the United States of America has to do with the relatively low risk of assassination, as much as anything else.



It is probably due to the fact that we know she can never be harmed with a legally owned handgun in UK.

Gertrude the Wombat
4th Mar 2013, 21:27
The security is always there, but very discreet. You won't often see them even if you look for them...
At a Buck House garden party all we found on the back gate was a couple of young policewomen and some girl guides. No obvious security inside ... until we looked up at the roof and saw what looked like some guys with binoculars; at least they had their rifles out of sight.

Prince Philip when he's attending things on his own seems to need just a couple of guys in grey suits - they like to check that you've actually been invited when you turn up for royal events, they don't seem to be visibly any more worried that that.

hoofie
5th Mar 2013, 02:30
If you watch on the telly when the queen is riding in a carriage, the two blokes sitting on the back in the pretty outfits have earpieces in place, look around a lot and have rather severe expressions. They also tend to look rather "bulky" i.e. they are probably wearing ballistic protection and as others have alluded to, are armed.

I would also suggest that such is the regard for the Queen herself in the UK as a symbol of the country that any miscreant would be beaten senseless by the local populace before plod got their hands on them.

Ascend Charlie
5th Mar 2013, 03:37
Remember that Betty Britain is largely a figurehead, doesn't have executive power to launch an atomic strike etc, compared to POTUSA, so isn't quite as necessary to the gummint to be protected. Plenty of royal heirs waiting in the wings to take over, not just the one vice president.

galaxy flyer
5th Mar 2013, 03:56
AC

Perhaps its good that Auntie Betty does have the keys to The Bomb, can't imagine Charlie with 'em.

GF

M.Mouse
5th Mar 2013, 09:18
That makes being US President a pretty risky job, with an assassination rate of around 1 every 50 years or less.

We could start a fund to pay for training to improve the success rate.

I agree that HM is probably less of a target having little in the way of real power and even amongst anti-royalists she doesn't seem to engender in them the foaming at the mouth vitriol and venom that politicians seem to attract so comprehensively!

radeng
5th Mar 2013, 09:38
As Gertrude says, at a Buck House Garden Party, it's all very discrete. HRH has had one minder on the occasions I've met him, but again, very low key. Although in addition to the minder, on one ceremonial occasion, he had the Chief Constable with him in full uniform with sword!

Impress to inflate
5th Mar 2013, 11:53
A few years ago, my good wife was in Marks and Spencer's in Aberdeen doing a bit of shopping she she noticed an elderly lady beside her, she turned to look at her and it was betty herself, not convinced she looked around for aides or security and 2 men in plain suites standing a few meters away looked at my wife, smiled and winked. Betty was off in town buying potatoes, strawberries etc. I would regularly see her and Phil getting into/out of the Royal jet, she always waved at the crews if they waved at her. No sign of security, just a few aides.

A year later my family bumped into Harry and Wills shopping in COSTCO with a trolly filled with bog roll and flour, supplies for Balmoral. Very laid back with just a young lady with them.

ITI

Sallyann1234
5th Mar 2013, 12:31
It is probably due to the fact that we know she can never be harmed with a legally owned handgun in UK.
Unfortunately that is incorrect.
It's not unheard of for a security officer to let one off by accident.

wings folded
5th Mar 2013, 12:34
It's not unheard of for a security officer to let one off by accident.


Usually after a vindaloo...

500N
5th Mar 2013, 16:59
Impress to inflate.

I doubt that many people would know that occurs.

rgbrock1
5th Mar 2013, 17:50
Impress to inflate? Inflate what, a rubber doll? :}:}:}:E

IJM
5th Mar 2013, 18:34
Impress to inflate - good story re The Queen in Markies in Aberdeen. I wonder if she went to the Prince of Wales for a pint afterwards? :E

Gertrude the Wombat
5th Mar 2013, 20:49
After what everyone has said about how much politicians are loved - :) - I thought some might be interested in the security at the Palace of Westminster.

Yes, you and your belongings have to go through airport style scanners, but that's basically it - you aren't asked for ID; you are asked what your business is, but nobody wants to see any documentary evidence so in theory you could have made it up. (Compare and contrast Buck House - no scanners, but you do have to show ID.)

Not being familiar with the place, on leaving the Strangers' Bar I had to ask some passer by to show me the way out!

500N
5th Mar 2013, 20:56
"Impress to inflate - good story re The Queen in Markies in Aberdeen."

Because she does it how she does it, no fuss, very low visibility,
she is probably safer than a high profile security detail that attracts
attention and therefore all the other associated issues.

Laarbruch72
5th Mar 2013, 21:12
" I would regularly see her and Phil getting into/out of the Royal jet, she always waved at the crews if they waved at her. No sign of security, just a few aides."

I'm sorry, this is rubbish. I've never seen them wave at a flight deck in 10 years, they go there in person before they get off. And security was always there, at the foot of the stairs. Still is.

Capetonian
7th Mar 2013, 07:54
I'm no royalist, by a long way, but I have some respect for the Queen and Royalty. This is an utter disgrace. In some countries people have been executed for less.

Referring to the monarch's recent hospital stay for gastroenteritis, Frankie then said: 'I wish the Queen had died the night before the Royal Jubilee - I wish she'd just f***ing died.

Frankie's next subject was the Duchess of Cambridge, with the comedian making a crude joke about the royal's figure, before adding: 'I can't believe she is pregnant to be honest because she told me she was on the pill.'

The controversial comedian Frankie Boyle took part in Russell Brand's fundraising event. So no surprise there then, birds of a feather ..........

Vercingetorix
7th Mar 2013, 08:10
Laarbruch72
living in Windsor I often used to drive past the Long Walk towards Runnymede. The long walk crosses the road and quite often Phillip would be driving his coach and four from the Royal residences at Windsor castle towards the Copper Horse statue. Politeness decrees that a car stops for a coach and four and every time I did so I would always get a cheery wave and thank you from Philip.
Likewise in the days when the VIP area was on Heathrow northside my Ops area was about 40 metres away and, again, we would always get a cheery wave from the Royal party.
Priveleged folk but nice with it.

Cheers:ok:

M.Mouse
7th Mar 2013, 10:09
There is a story I read some years ago about the Queen dressed in mac and headscarf being in a shop somewhere near Balmoral. The locals live and let live but a lady who appeared to be a tourist approached her and said 'Do you know you look awfully like the Queen' and her reputed reply was 'How very reassuring'.

I like to believe it is true.


....comedian Frankie Boyle....

An oxymoron surely?

Tankertrashnav
7th Mar 2013, 10:26
Perhaps the so-called comedian Boyle can be encouraged to go to Thailand and make similar remarks about their monarch. He wouldn't be using the return half of his air ticket for very long time.

I suppose scum like Boyle are the price we pay for our jealously guarded freedom of speech, but sometimes it seems a pretty high price to pay.

Lightning Mate
7th Mar 2013, 14:21
Nicely said Ttn. :D

Brian Abraham
8th Mar 2013, 00:21
Prince Charles being welcomed on Oz.

Prince Charles Attack 1994 - YouTube