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tony draper
1st Mar 2013, 18:25
Started to watch a documentary last night,the link to it on iplayer is below,now I know fine well peeps who are deaf still have to buy a telly licence and are entitled to watch the progs same as me but do they have to have the cove signing so large and far into the scene,he could have stood another two foot to the right and not impinged on the screen as much, also they could have reduced his image size a tad,am I being unreasonable finding this signing exceeding irritating?
Admittedly it was on at 3am so probably only me a few other insomniacs and a couple of ere, hearing disadvantaged peeps watching it.
:)
BBC iPlayer - The Art of the Night (Signed) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b018jl9c/sign/The_Art_of_the_Night/)

gingernut
1st Mar 2013, 19:06
I notice if I "tape" (well it's a hard drive but it'll always be a tape to me) late night films, the signing is common.

At first it's irritating, but after a while you sort of get used to it. Can't help thinking that the "signers" could make a little bit more effort in terms of dress sense and make up, but it's great fun watching them sign the dirty bits in films.

(Although Mr D, I expect your viewing is more highbrow.):)

tony draper
1st Mar 2013, 19:15
I shouldn't really complain I was a insomniac when the only progs on after midnight were the Open University.:(
Frinstance I dont mind the practice of showing old films in black and white for colour blind folks.
:uhoh:

Windy Militant
1st Mar 2013, 22:27
The BBC has what it calls the Sign Zone where previously shown programmes are shown with subtitles late at night. If you look at the BBC Television iplayer menu rather than the Web version. it comes up below the Series Catch up tab. If you go onto any of the main menus you'll often see two versions of a show usually there'll be a (Sign) at the end of the title to indicate which version is which. I find it handy as they very often show stuff after it's been taken off the main version.
I'm still wondering about signing as I notice a number of the translators do Welsh language programmes on S4C as well, so is there a Welsh version of BSL or is it a Language to itself?

Molemot
1st Mar 2013, 22:58
One presumes that deaf people can read. Why on earth do we have to be subjected to the lunatic armwaving and weird facial gestures of these "signers", when there exists an extremely well executed subtitling service? This can readily be turned on and off at will and provides a very useful adjunct to the visuals for the deaf, and those of us beset by loud noises drowning the dialog or carrying on a telephone conversation at the same time as watching the idiot's lantern. The signing is just an unwelcome and useless distraction.

parabellum
2nd Mar 2013, 00:41
Sign Language Comedy - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBFD28E48DBB61616)

and

http://de-motivational-posters.com/images/sign-language-it-took-her-three-years-to-learn-but-now-she-can-score-a-date-from-200-metres-away.jpg (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=bBhx-Gv4zMO72M&tbnid=lqygLVa1opzDqM:&ved=0CAgQjRwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fde-motivational-posters.com%2Fde-motivational-poster%2F477%2Fhilarious-sometimes-the-funniest-things-in-life-are-unintentional&ei=nVkxUajDPIXSmAWn14BI&psig=AFQjCNEwce3lvLOQKEhEvfYUm370jtfMnw&ust=1362275102021961)

Loose rivets
2nd Mar 2013, 00:56
Pah! I wouldn't mind if they were dancing about naked trying to sign. Here, they find it necessary to put bits of the next program on over the tender love scene yer watching. Even Thingie Abbey is sometimes so affected. Barmy buggahs.


And then there's the storm warning. We all know there's a freakin' storm coming, it's been on the news - between Alfonso killing bloody Jime, and someone disappearing into a sink hole - but we know. F'in' screen is covered in warnings. They tramp over ripe breasts, while the absurdly theatrically serious voices intone over the most jolly jingles. Buggah the lot of them. I want to have British television. Treasure it, hold it to your bosom and never fear the million quid television license, it will still be a bargain.

Milo Minderbinder
2nd Mar 2013, 16:44
the signing programs are put on in the dead of night so us hearing folk don't have to put up with them......the same program WILL have been broadcast during the week at some point without the signing.
The signed programs are advertised well in advance, if you don't want to watch then view something else. Its only a couple of hours each night, at most. The best thing of course is to watch the original version, when it was originally broadcast

Loose rivets
2nd Mar 2013, 17:44
Why the heck should deaf people have to stay up late into the night?

There has to be a way to make switchable overlay . . . erm, doesn't there?

What I do sometimes is to zoom in to cut the crap from the bottom. Let me rephrase that . . . Oh, you know what I mean.:p Mind you, actors with their heads cut off seems a bit odd sometimes.

Erwin Schroedinger
3rd Mar 2013, 07:06
We've got an appropriately sized and shaped piece of cardboard and a couple of lumps of blue tack. Slap it over the image of the signer and voila! ;)






Edited because I love seeing the message below.

Rossian
3rd Mar 2013, 07:15
......during the floods in Cumbria a year or so back, noted the panic in the eyes of the signer when "Cockermouth" was mentioned.

Also, the anger on the face of a female interpreter at a press conference in Germany when Mr Ryanair was extolling the (possible) virtues of a business class option for the company, when he came up with the line "you might say we could be BlowjobsRUs........ The lady was spitting nails.

The Ancient Mariner

blue up
3rd Mar 2013, 07:20
Molemot. You have to consciously "read" written words but you can catch sign out of the corner of your eye and thus signing allows you to watch the film and know what is being said at the same time. The signing is also quite often a second or two behind the spoken word so you have a chance to catch up whilst subtitles seem to disappear when it cuts to the next scene in films.

I studied BSL sign language some years ago but have only ever used it on passengers twice. I did also get to use it in a pub in (IIRC) Covent Garden where the patrons seemed to be 90% signers. Convention in town, maybe?

parabellum
3rd Mar 2013, 09:48
I always thought if someone spoke in 'sign' they were, according to ones beliefs, either gifted or nuts, completely off the planet?:confused:

RedhillPhil
3rd Mar 2013, 14:27
Not very PC but just about the funniest thing I saw that particular year were two gentlemen of a sexual persuasion that's popular in Brighton having a domestic in sign language in the arrivals hall at Gatwick south.

Windy Militant
3rd Mar 2013, 14:44
Used to have a local deaf club meet at the community centre across the road from my local. When they finished they used to cross over to the pub.
When they'd had a few they used to get loud. It was a bit like being in an Italian silent movie! :ouch:

Lukeafb1
4th Mar 2013, 07:21
A few years ago I made two documentaries about the foremost UK Grammar School for the Deaf in Newbury.

I was surprised when the Principal told me that his pupils were not encouraged to use sign language at all. This is based on the premise that 99% (or whatever %) of people can't use or understand sign language and therefore its use in the 'real world' (my words, not his) is virtually of no use to ex-pupils. His school advocates lip reading. Indeed, in the few weeks I was there, I never once saw pupils using sign language.

tony draper
4th Mar 2013, 08:29
On a ship Docked in Cardiff once, one day a very large bloke came aboard and installed himself in the mess room,he indicated by sign language that he was deaf and dumb by pointing to his ears and mouth and grunting, he then made it known by other cunning signs he wanted fed,the Messman being of small stature obeyed,thus he stayed eating very heartily every day, nobody knew who he was or what he wanted apart from much in the way of grub.
At last after much debate on the shear size of the chap and the legendary bad temperdness of deaf and dumb folks due it was theorized their inability to shout swear words in order to vent their anger the largest AB was elected to tell the chap to feckorf,this plan was not successful as the chap just continued to fork steak and kidney pie into his gob grunting and ignoring all hints to be gone.
He stayed for about a week before a appeal to the Bridge summoned the Cardiff constabulary to evict him, he stood up meek as a lamb thanked the Messman in a loud clear if Welsh accented voice for all the vituals and was escorted down the gangplank.
That was a lesson to young Draper in how much one can get away with if one is cheeky enough.
:uhoh:

Slasher
4th Mar 2013, 08:40
In the UK I understand this (http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4e823c886bb3f7d47000000f-590/careful-this-raised-hand-signal-means-youre-a-********-in-the-united-kingdom.jpg) means you're a d!ckhead.

What does it mean in Japan I wonder? :E