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Thomas coupling
27th Feb 2013, 18:52
Saw a documentary on the decline of Italt last night. It staggers me to think we have been taking these jokers seriously for decades, when in reality they are living in cloud cuckoo land and we turn a blind eye to them:

One of THE most corrupt nations on earth. The mafia have 30% of all votes. In fact each persons voting rights can be bought for between 50 - 100 euros to ensure the right mayor gets in andd ships all the juicy contracts to the maifiosa.

Women are treated as 2nd class persons. The lowest ration of men to women workers in the western world.

The country has been poisoned beyond repair as the mafia dump illegal chemicals down south to avoid environmental taxes. Get this: A factory is approached by the mafia to dispose of their poisonous chemicals at a massively reduced rate compared to the legitimate disposers. The mafia then pay lorry drivers to head south away from the affluent north until they arrive at a land fill site in some pretty abruzzo rural area. Now the lorry drivers aren't daft, they know they will get exposed to the chemicals as they dump them into the landfill, so they pay young lads aged between 10 to 18 to drive their trucks the last few hundred yards to do the work for them. Half of southern Italy is sitting on a time bomb of leeching chemicals and the kids have cancer.
Then we have Berlusconni who is as mad as a fish, who pays anyone off who comes anywhere near threatening his position. And finally the laughing comic who now holds 25% of the public vote for the next election.
MP's are paid twice what all other european MP's are paid and the Italian parliament costs 4 times that of Greece/Germany/France and the UK put together.
When...not if, Italy fails, it will wreak untold damage on the rest of the EU. We will suffer collateral damage and that is why I suspect Cameron wants to distance himself as far as possible from these dodgy criminal creepy economies.
What with Greece, Ireland, Portugal and france being basket cases already, where and how is this all going to end?

con-pilot
27th Feb 2013, 19:11
What with Greece, Ireland, Portugal and france being basket cases already, where and how is this all going to end?

Hell I don't know, ask Obama, as he is trying like hell to follow the above countries lead.

Lonewolf_50
27th Feb 2013, 19:21
What with Greece, Ireland, Portugal and france being basket cases already, where and how is this all going to end?

In a landfill.

Of note, the mafia and a few other sorts have also been known to put hazmat on derelict ships, then sendi them off to sea to wreck.

Outside Italian waters.

Clever buggers, eh? :mad:

tony draper
27th Feb 2013, 19:47
Posted a link to that doc on the trabby thread this morning Mr Coupling,I knew Italy was bad but not that bad.
:uhoh:
Here it is,worth a watch.
BBC iPlayer - Good Italy, Bad Italy: Girlfriend in a Coma (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01r1ctk/Good_Italy_Bad_Italy_Girlfriend_in_a_Coma/)

SpringHeeledJack
27th Feb 2013, 20:25
I watched this, sometimes baffling, documentary last night and it showed Italy to be as I had experienced it some years ago when living there. I liked to get 'out and about' and to places away from the crowds and the things that I witnessed were perhaps beyond most of the pampered Italians experience, as they refused to believe me. There really is, as the documentary stated, two moralities in Italy, one for the home (famiglia) and another one for outside the home. This schizophrenic mentality is evident in other lands, but it is taken to an extreme in La Bella Italia.

How the Mafia is tolerated by the 60+ million population is a mystery, (aside from direct threats of injury), that the totally amoral and anti-people stance of the criminals isn't starved of support. Perhaps in another generation it will change, but for the moment the feudal mentality is too ingrained.



SHJ

G&T ice n slice
27th Feb 2013, 21:11
But they've got the world's best National Anthem

AlpineSkier
27th Feb 2013, 21:13
On hearing the election results, the German socialist leader, Peer Steinbruck who has a reputation for blunt talking, said that Italy now has a pair of clowns as leaders. The Italian president has cancelled an up-coming dinner with him.

G-CPTN
27th Feb 2013, 23:01
I doubt that anything will change and I suspect that it will trundle on just as it has for many years.

In 1979, I drove (with others) in a convoy of trucks from England. We went south as far as Reggio di Calabria (abeam Sicily) before turning north again.

The trucks were test vehicles loaded with concrete blocks, so no cargo of value, however we carried spares, including tyres and drums of fuel which were important to us to maintain our schedule.
As we arrived at the hotel(s) we asked the 'concierge' where we could buy protection. Within minutes someone would arrive and, after payment was made, our vehicles remained untouched.
Sometimes a Fiat 500 would remain within sight during our stay.
We never lost a single item.

During our journey there was a strike of fuel-delivery drivers, resulting in long, long queues at filling stations. Customers were being restricted to a few litres each. We sent our 'wagon master' ahead to offer twice the pump price, and in every case we were allowed to drive to the head of the queue and fill our tanks (and spare drums) with as much fuel as we wanted.

You just had to know how to work the system

Thomas coupling
28th Feb 2013, 12:18
The weird thing is though - Italian's look and feel and smell and walk just like us, yet they are aliens from another planet. They believe all is well with the world and don't appear to care that they are sitting on an enormous time bomb, both economically and environmentally. Or is it that they represent the fringes of other 'eurpoeans' to a greater extent.

Europe, no....the world wouldn't be the same without an Italian influence but a hundred years from now, they could easily end up at Zimbabwe level, drowning in their own corruption and toxic waste.

It's like watching a beautiful painting disintegrating in a damp cellar.:eek:

stuckgear
28th Feb 2013, 16:43
they could easily end up at Zimbabwe level, drowning in their own corruption and toxic waste


don't forget the rest of the EU too.. there will be a few basket case economies (as there are right now) and a few countries on the brink (as there are right now) a few sitting on the sidelines quiety doing their thing (as there are right now) and few that will be one match short of a powder keg.... as there are right now..

hmmmm.. so is the EU like Africa but without the white UN landies and land cruisers ??

Il Vero Padrino
28th Feb 2013, 17:29
How the Mafia is tolerated by the 60+ million population is a mystery, (aside from direct threats of injury)
Whaddya mean is a mystery, aside from direct threats of injury? Someone don't support us, someone need crutches. Is very simple, no mystery about it. Everyone love us.

You wanna watch what you are saying, know what I mean? We know what to do with liars like you.

We run the country good, is the clowns in Roma need the deep six.

handysnaks
28th Feb 2013, 17:46
But they've got the world's best National Anthem

second best surely? Nothing beats La Marseillaise for a rousing chorus!
:ok:

Sorry about the risk of thread drift:eek:

Milo Minderbinder
28th Feb 2013, 18:46
Italy

the country when an industrial conglomerate takes over the countries entire electronics industry, bankrupts it to the point where it has to be nationalised....so gets bought out and compensated (!!!) by the government, spends that cash on the Italian chemical industry and bankrupts that as well, besides being given a controlling stake in the nations power industry.
Montedison / Enichem / Enimont / Ausimont.........one of the most corrupt conglomerates in Europe

Lonewolf_50
28th Feb 2013, 20:56
We run the country good, is the clowns in Roma need the deep six.
If you run the country so good, amico mio, how about you pick up the trash in and around Bella Napoli once in a while? :cool:

La Comorra, the local extortion experts, were the last known organization that had the trash concession. (If that has changed, my apologies. Been a few years since I had a port visit in Naples). :sad:

Really care about how the place looks, eh? Not so much, from what I recall. :p

tony draper
28th Feb 2013, 21:48
Careful Mr Wolf you're liable to wake up with some beef burgers on your pillow.
:rolleyes:

PLovett
28th Feb 2013, 22:12
Some (many) years ago now when I worked for an Italian bank at their branch in London, the Italian staff told me a saying they had:

"Naples begs, Milan works while Rome plays".

It is very descriptive of the country split roughly into 3 parts like that but there is another aspect to it that I became aware of while travelling there. It is the only country that I have visited where the allegiances start with the family and then progressively spread outwards ending with the nation last. I think it explains why the country has had so many governments since WW2; the population basically don't care and just go about their day by working around the problems government create.

I loved the place when I was there.

Ivor_Novello
28th Feb 2013, 22:40
How the Mafia is tolerated by the 60+ million population is a mystery, (aside from direct threats of injury)

It's not tolerated. It's disgusting for the vast majority of the population.
However it's also very subtle and disguised and most people will not be involved or come across it in their entire lives. I was born and bred there, lived a good 25 years and never once experienced anything that could be mafia related.
What I know of it, is what you read in the papers and see in the news.
Believe it or not my parents, relatives and friends manage to make a living and go about their lives honestly, without corruption or the need for favours or extortion! Every few years we get a chance to vote and we try and choose the best among what's available, or to abstain. There's very little a citizen can do to overturn the ways of centuries and the overlapping of so many different cultures.

Alloa Akbar
1st Mar 2013, 09:15
Speaking as one who operates in Italian Aerospace, I have to say that compared with rival organizations globally, Italian companies are the most deceitful, ill mannered, conceited and generally annoying bunch of half wits I have ever had the misfortune to deal with.. Not to mention the worst at settling outstanding invoices. I have never met anyone from outside of Italy who has a positive thing to say about dealing with Italian companies.

B Fraser
1st Mar 2013, 09:24
Well, the coffee isn't bad.

Il Vero Padrino
1st Mar 2013, 22:38
how about you pick up the trash in and around Bella Napoli once in a while?
You outta your mind? We blow them away, we don't wait around to pick 'em up.

That's what families are for. We're big on family and anyone who says otherwise won't get to have a family if you know what I mean.

You need to start looking behind you, Lonewolf.

Pick up the trash. What kind of insult is that?

KAG
2nd Mar 2013, 01:42
What with Greece, Ireland, Portugal and france being basket cases already, where and how is this all going to end?I see you are from UK. Not only that you can put a capital letter to France (on purpose???...), but you could aswell put UK instead of France in your sentence, it seems you don't read the news.
UK lost its AAA and has twice more deficit than France, wake up. Do yourself a favor and don't have the illusion to be in a better shape. Because you clearly don't. Last year UK had more deficit then Greece. I know it takes time to realize, but you'll get there sooner or later.

hellsbrink
2nd Mar 2013, 06:03
KAG, take your nonsense elsewhere like back to the EU Politics thread, this thread doesn't need to be tainted by your rantings appearing here