Alpha Aviation Group Philippines

[smoothcruise5]

Hi Guys! im new here! :p

anyway, im a graduating student of PATTS College of Aeronautics majoring in BS AMT.

So here goes, im looking for a flying school that i will be to proceed to be an Airline Pilot.

I stumbled upon AAG Phils and researched about it and it seems to be a nice place. They have an A320 sim as all of you know already.

Also, when i was driving through Domestic road, i saw a banner saying WCC A320 Simulator which is located in Gen Av. Has anybody heard of their sim?

i googled them and discovered that they're flying school is located in pangasinan but the A320 sim is in Pasay. Need your thoughts on this.

All i need now are your thoughts on them. I am desperate for advices.

AAG is my top choice and next is OMNI then FAST.

Please help me on this matter. thank you in advance!

[smoothcruise5]

Sir, i've read your reply on the PAL AV thread. And it gave me shivers!

I'm visiting their headquarters soon just to see the school and also i will try to look for former cadets and talk to them.

Sir, can please explain to me more why i should not enroll in AAG?

[smoothcruise5]

Thanks for your reply sir Taras B!

So to make the story short, AAG is no good at all are they?

[Ankit Kotecha]

I recommend FAST. Good Luck.

[smoothcruise5]

How about Airworks?

[jack s]

:=:=:=:= stay away from AAG in Clark... take a look at WCC they also have their own sim...

[smoothcruise5]

I spoke with WCC students and former cadets and they said the place is Sh*t. WCC gave them fake licenses and what not. That's why i crossed them out of my list.

As of now, my top Choices are:

> Leading Edge International Aviation - the only Cessna Pilot Center in Southeast Asia or in Asia i think.

> Airworks - best school by far but TOO expensive

> Omni Aviation - Most people say it's a good school but i don't want to be flying with young flight instructors who only graduated a year or two from the program.

[smoothcruise5]

How about Leading Edge?

[Khedztan]

Leading edge is a good choice..

[krisolfer]

can you help me too in my choices?

-Leading Edge Aviation
-All Asia Aviation Academy
-AAG
-Omni

[BRY7]

Asian Institute of Aviation seems to be the best school in Philippines at the moment

[krisolfer]

can you send me the official site of this school? tnx man..
im planning to go with -AAA or -FAST or -Leading edge because their training price is reasonable....

[BRY7]

here is the website.
i'm currently having my training here

Asian Institute of Aviation (http://www.aia-pac.com)

[krisolfer]

Asian institute of aviation >> the contacts are not working i dont know why and i asked for another email again it didnt reply ive been waiting for a month now...

[kelevra]

Filipino living in Hong Kong practically my whole life. I was considering PATTS quite a long time ago but my dad prevented me from considering it because of culture shock.

I don't know about the culture shock but I would like to ask how is the College? Are the degrees internationally recognised/accredited? I also see that there are Filipino classes which puts in me at a disadvantage... my parents never properly taught me Tagalog.

I might have to skip directly to Flight School. So, from what I've read in this thread, the choices are either:
- Asian Institute of Aviation
- Leading Edge
- Omni Aviation

- Fly FAST? Is this the FAST that is recommended in the past post?

[Aminou]

Hello guy's

so i want to join the alpha aviation group academy:O, i have some information about it, but i steel don't know how mush gonna cost me?:rolleyes:, and if i can immediately work after i finish the formation:8 .
thank you.

[krisolfer]

i think asian institute of aviation is better than omni because it provides a job after and will train you for less days than omni:

for quality education and for a longer period of time for you to train but not included in the number of flight hours well omni aviation is better:

if you lots of money then go to Airlink International Aviation College:

fly fast aviation and all asia aviation academy is the same but i think all asia aviation academy is better than fly fast:

[Aminou]

thank you guy's for your insures but i want to know who's the cheapest aviation school?:\ because i don't have so mush money like i have maximum (35000-40000)USD:sad:

[jetseater]

hi guys ive been in omni and aag. Omni- ppl cpl ir me will cost you around 2M and the FOT type rating around 1.3M. AAG has their new program from zero to airbus type rating it is around 3.3M for 18mos training. Im also confused where will i go if you look at it both of them are good school and same training rates. Im planning to go to Omni for ab initio and then PAAT(cebupac academy) for a320 type. Or AAG from zero to 320type. Please give me sime advice. Thanks

[BR14683]

Airworks is a good choice a bit pricey, good for ground school, take your actual flying at omni or flight line at RPUX.

[pilot147u]

Hey,
I have narrowed down to AAG and AIA..

Omni is a good school but they lost to AAG and AIA in certain aspects.

AAG-Big company,many partnerships with airlines,and most of their students are already first officers.. Clark, a very fantastic place to train.. if your not a filipino citizen just go to AAG if your are go to Phillipine Airline Flight School.. good school but restricted to Filipino Citizens only. AAG has placement tests and the equipement your given is the best. Plus G1000 Equipped Cessna's. and you know their not a bull**** school. AAG UK AAG UAE AAG PHIL. Their located all over the world. plus the placement rates are not a joke..

AIA-Website is weak.. but they are a good school, their flight line, hangar and they also have some jets either than the training aircraft.. one thing about AIA its in Subic.. I have heard stuff from my filipino freinds that subic is not a good place.. they have suggested me to go to clark and join AAG instead.

Both schools are good, but my decision will be made after i have visited both schools because i have the PPL 70 percent done. 4 Subjects and Some hours and i have EASA PPL. But in europe.. ifyou ever go. go to BAA or Oxford.. i was in Adria Flight Career Centre.. i regret that place..

and dont think CAAP is a place where you can go aroud to get licence.. CAAP is one of the strictest CAA ... not like phillipine LTO or you know..

[KingZul90]

Hi Guys,

I need some feedback. I'm currently a 23 year old undergraduate in Singapore. Will be graduating in 2 years time and looking into a flying career. At the moment I'm considering AIA (philippines) at subic bay. I know it's still very early for me but I wanna do my research before I make the decision to join a flying school. Based on this forum (Asian Institute of Aviation Philppines : Flying Academies (http://flylah.com/flying-academies/topic2406.html)), it mentioned that the prospect for students from this academy is pretty good. There was also news from Channel News Asia (Indonesian flying academies struggle to make up for pilot shortfall - Channel NewsAsia (http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/indonesian-flying/749524.html)) that Indonesia is in demand for pilots and that this academy has job placements with Indonesia airlines. Any idea how easy it is for Singaporeans to work in Philippines or Indonesia? Any comments on this?

Thank you

[aircraftpilot]

@KingZul90 (http://www.pprune.org/members/390855-kingzul90)

although its good to do research every possible way, it is best not take new articles as the assurance to startup in this industry. best is to talk to people, pilots especially then decide to take the leap or not. The industry scenario changes at the blink of an eye.
The problem here in Indonesia is that there have been new rules in place trying to differ 250 hr pilots with jst a CPL to come in. The rule states that you must have 250 hrs on the type of aircraft you want to be hired for here in Indonesia. That being said this rule only applies to in lay man words the airlines or bigger aircraft.
Part 135 is non scheduled charter and air taxi operations.
Part 121 is scheduled air carrier operations.
Part 91 is private owned operations.
so here in Indonesia you can find work in part 135 & 91, the later being more difficult. So you can always start you career flying smaller a/c's or doing Flight instructor jobs & then move up the ladder so to say.
Have fun...get contacts in the industry...I tell you it sometimes helps more than your License does...:ok:...good luck,,sorry cant help you with the Philippines scenario..not quite aware of the latest...things could be way different in 2 yrs time..

[KingZul90]

Hi aircraftpilot,

Thank you very much for this :)

[xratedsagodog666]

Hi


I was wondering what school you chose? AAG or OMNI?

thanks

j:)

[armin2517]

can I ask for a pros/cons review of Alpha Aviation Group?
im considering this school for my Pilot training program.

thanks!

[jordanzee]

any thought on this guys? im thinking about going to omni or AAG but i want to consider how well can they help us in becoming a first officer in any airline?

[aviator0903]

Good day guys, I'm new here.

I am planning to start with my Pilot training this coming June/July. I am choosing between OMNI and AAG. Could you give feedback regarding both schools reputation. I have heard negative feedbacks in the past regarding AAG. However, it is already 2015 and possibly improvements were already done. I am planning to do ab-initio to A320 FOT.

thanks!

[aviator0903]

Thanks dubaipilot,

Actually, I visited both schools already. Will be having my ADEPT soon. Hopefully, everything will be great.

[tkp5c2004hk]

aviator0903, which intake are you going to enrol?

[flyingsystem]

Hello Dubaipilot! So just wanted to know how went your training with AAG, and did they help you find a job? Thanks!

[Riccardo Granato]

Hello, just wandering is the Piper Aztec RP-C6884 owned by WCC Aviation Company?

[dubaipilot]

Weird, my previous posts were deleted. PPRuNe must have thought I am advertising for them, which I was not trying to do. Just providing my opinion.

[ZFT]

Hi DubaiPilot,

writing to you concerning AAG.
Did you enrolled to this training program? (Vietnam Civil Aviation A320 TR + Placement with airline)
Any feedback? Good academy for A320 TR?
How long did you had to wait to start training?

I have applied 1 month ago and still waiting to get the green lights to start training. Rumour has it this is yet another P2F. This time with Vietjet having some agreement with Alpha where they are conducting CAAV approved A320 type ratings and line training (100 hours!!!) for only USD150K.

[missmauritius]

To Dubai Pilot, thanks for your reply man!
Please inbox me your Skype or Email so that we can discuss further about it, since I think you got banned. I cannot send you a private msg!

[hartbeatsenpai]

How much is AAG, A320 type rating? Please and thank you!

[foxheiress]

Hello everyone I am a girl but I want to venture in airline industry and I want to be a CPL. So I am planning to study at AAG. Need help for this. Is it worth it? Help me decide. Thank you.

[blazeflying015]

Hi, Any updates regarding AAG
My top choice is AAG next is OMNI and then WCC or leading edge. Can you explain which school do you prefer from 1 to 4 and why...

thanksss

[blazeflying015]

Any testimonials or reviews regarding AAG.P
Please thanks

[2020avmar]

To anyone who might have wandered here looking for info about AAG Philippines (and maybe an idea of what to expect after), good day.

I finished my flight training with Alpha about a couple of years ago and I'm confident to say that it is one of the best schools, not only in the Philippines but also in the Asia Pacific region. If you plan to enter the aviation industry, you'll get the best education there. But with that out of the way, I have a few things to say about the school as my batchmates and I experienced it.

​​​​​​1. Alpha has had a scheduling problem. The school has been expanding even before I started my training, and with that, I think they over estimated their capacity to take on new students (either that or their marketing and sales department just didn't care about capacity since they earn commissions per student). Sure, they've had a batch that finished up to their A320 rating in 13 months, but by my time, it took me and my batchmates about 24 when they promised to let us finish within 15. Funny thing is, if we didn't have any down time, I think it would have been possible to finish on time (longest time with no flight was maybe about 12 weeks; another experience was when we were flying about every 3 weeks just so that we wouldn't need a school mandated recurrency lesson) So if you took on loans or have allocated funds for living expenses, please take note of this.

2. There's a culture of seniority, like any other school in the Philippines. This actually carries over to when you enter the airlines so might as well let you know now so there's no culture shock. During my time, every little infraction had a punishment, from doing a round of squats, push ups, etc, for all the students at the flightline (you'd have to be careful about pissing off your collegues in the upperbatch). It had a 2-fold purpose: you'd remember not to repeat that mistake which pissed everyone off, and the newer students get to build up their muscles in the arms and legs. However, the seniority thing led to some taking advantage. I think they eventually banned the students buying food for the people in the flightline, but during my time, it was an expectation for every milestone.

​​​​​3. AAG Philippines is a for profit company. You might be getting the best education your money can buy but all that marketing overstates a lot of things. Sure, the Asia Pacific region has a big demand for pilots (at least before COVID), but what they don't tell you is that most of them are looking for pilots with at least a moderate amount of experience. Even some of the airlines in the region expect at least 250 hrs with an MEIR, which the school doesn't technically provide (an A320 rating is separate from a ME rating, don't let marketing tell you otherwise!) Out of all my batchmates only one or two made it to the airlines without anything shady happening in the background. Others have had to shell out a few million pesos / tens of thousands of dollars for pay to fly programs, legitimate or otherwise. A few pursued an instructor rating which is a hit and miss in job hunting in itself, while others just abandoned the dream.

***. COVID. Getting pilot training now is just bad timing. Airlines are furloughing pilots, parking aircraft for long terms, etc. Even if the economy recovers and the industry goes back to pre COVID operations just in time for your graduation, you'd be competing in the job market with those with the furloughed pilots, as well as graduates who've finished their training since the COVID crisis began (yes, flight schools are still operating today, have been so since the June or July 2020) and the students are coming back to finish what they've started. So unless you're a famous tv personality like a certain schoolmate of mine, or have really strong connections (like knowing the head of operations or human resources strong), it'll be really really hard / expensive to get into the airlines.

Hey, I could be wrong. Most pilots might have been at retirement age by then. The industry might bounce back very quickly after a vaccine is made available. Everyone might have though the same thing I did and avoided flight schools leaving you with no competition at all. But if you're going to take out a loan, use your parents' retirement money, or leave a very stable job for a career in aviation, I'd advise you to please reassess whether or not you want to become a pilot.

Don't get me wrong, flying is fun and fulfilling, but afterwards, from what I've seen, it's been a cause for heartbreak, stress and depression for most of my peers, even before COVID hit. A few later confessed that they were greedy when choosing the profession, seeing the salaries of pilots, so they never actually had fun during their time in school and that's the worst place to come from.

[LG7838]

Are there still people who dream of becoming pilots in these trying times? IATA projects that the airline industry will recover to pre-COVID numbers in 4 years. Until then, airlines are laying off pilots.

[Aerojoe15]

I'm also interested to know more about AAG. Are their training program worth the money? What are the pros and cons with this school? Would love to hear your thoughts.