BA/CX code share Australia.

[SMOC]

I think it starts to coincide with the end of the BA/QF code share.

Might need a 777 or 747 on a few Aussie flights plus could make staff travel even more difficult.

British Airways and Cathay Pacific have announced a code share agreement on flights in and out of Australia starting March 31.

The deal is subject to approval by Australian regulators and will allow BA customers to join Cathay Pacific services between Hong Kong and London.“Our new codeshare with Cathay Pacific will allow British Airways to serve all major Australian cities and provide customers with increased schedule options and flexibility,” British Airways regional commercial manager Nicole Backo said.Customers travelling through Hong Kong will land at London Heathrow Terminal 5 with access to British Airways’ European network.

Codeshare routes went on sale yesterday for departures from March 31 onward.

[geh065]

Wait...are we switching to Terminal 5?

[SMOC]

Think it's only for the HKG-AUS vv flights.

[Freehills]

Hmm. Not sure how this is competetive to the EK juggurnaut. Latest from Oz stats office: Dec Int'l traffic shares

Qantas: 16.5%, -1.0 ppts;
Emirates: 9.2%, +0.5 ppt;
Singapore Airlines: 9.2%, -0.1 ppt;
Jetstar: 8.0%, +0.2 ppt;
Air New Zealand: 7.9%, -0.3 ppt;
Virgin Australia: 7.9%, -0.2 ppt;
Cathay Pacific: 4.5%, -0.8 ppt;
Malaysia Airlines: 4.0%, +0.1 ppt;
Thai Airways: 3.5%, +0.6 ppt;
AirAsia X: 3.1%, +0.3 ppt;

[SMOC]

British Airways joins forces with Cathay Pacific | News.com.au (http://mobile.news.com.au/travel/news/british-airways-joins-forces-with-cathay-pacific/story-e6frfq80-1226586198548)

[geh065]

Think it's only for the HKG-AUS vv flights.

Was that in reply to my question?

The first poster's quote seems to imply that BA passengers will join CX services between HKG and LHR, and will connect to T5 there.

[SMOC]

T5 would be nice, does QF use it? Seems odd that CX is at T3 with Virgin, must make connecting flights with BA/1W a pain.

[boocs]

British Airways/Cathay Pacific code share scenarios | Plane Talking (http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2013/02/26/british-airwayscathay-pacific-codeshare-scenarios/)

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[SloppyJoe]

The 1st article has it wrong. BA do not fly to every major city in AUS, CX do. BA pax into and out of T5 in LHR and will connect onto CX in HKG to fly to AUS.

[Taildragger67]

Our new codeshare with Cathay Pacific will allow British Airways to serve all major Australian cities


BA will serve all major Australian cities, in that a BA flight number will appear on Cathay Pacific services between Hong Kong and those cities.

Hence BA wil be able to sell a BA ticket with a BA flight number to all major Australian cities.

BA just won't land there with its own metal.

That's what codeshares are all about.

[anotherbusdriver]

Hence the A380 announcement coming at next results announcement.

Slot limited into Australia, bigger jets required. :ok:

[kmagyoyo]

777's for Aussie is the rumour I've heard. Either way be careful what you wish for; with the new FTLS and the extra speed say hello to two Pilot ops throughout Oz.

[crwkunt roll]

with the new FTLS and the extra speed say hello to two Pilot ops throughout Oz.
Well, now that nothing MORE fatiguing will be allowed in the new FTL's, hopefully the guys can actually stand up for themselves and say NO.

[nitpicker330]

777's to Oz.........really?

Firstly we don't have enough 777's to do Oz
Secondly we do have enough A330's here or coming to do Oz.
Thirdly we will simply make MEL 3 x daily direct, ADL daily direct
SYD 4 x daily etc etc as we have done in the past years to ramp up a bit.


We don't need or want the 777 in Oz.

[geh065]

And how about people who want or "need" first class?

[cxorcist]

I realize the -400 isn't exactly the most efficient machine these days, but it would be perfect for adding seats to Oz. 4 classes of service, plenty of range, decent cargo capacity, and lots of them sitting around or flying regional routes. No shortage of pilots for them either. If they just need capacity, not more frequency, then my bet is on the -400. Previous post about not enough 777s is correct. As they get them, they go straight onto long haul routes replacing the -400 to NAM and EU.

The -400 is a good short term solution, at least until all those A380s start showing up. :ok:

[VR-HFX]

CXORCIST

Agree with you. Perfect route for the Gooney Bird to see out her days before the 800 arrives.Heaps of guys on the bus would be happy to go back.

[nitpicker330]

That's rubbish too.

Cx ain't sending the 400 to Oz either, burns way too much of that expensive Jet A1 and they'd have to upgrade the J class and install Premium Y. Nope.
I'm sorry but the A330 is it.


Oh and very few people want or need F class to Oz, that's why we dropped it 5 years ago. Most pax in F were J class upgrades anyway!!

[treboryelk]

"Heaps of guys on the bus would be happy to go back".....therein could be the next big mess to deal with.

[SMOC]

They certainly wouldn't base guys on the 400 in aus it'll be short term until the A350s arrive, plus it'll offer first class to compete with the QF/EK tie up and selected 400s already have PY and the old J class redone to the new j colours the seats look brand new. Fair enough they aren't the new J but it's got first class.

[geh065]

A CX newsletter a couple of weeks ago said that they were conducting a review of their seating and aircraft type requirements on the Australian flights. We are told to watch this space and this has fuelled these recent rumours and not just the same rumours about the 777 going there that have existed for years.

[cxorcist]

Isn't it kind of difficult to compete on the "Kangaroo Route" vs the likes of SQ, QF, and EK without a first class offering? Won't BA be bringing some premium customers through HKG who will expect first class to the bigger cities in Oz?

Also, I'm not sure the A359 will be cheaper to operate to Oz than the A333 when you factor in the price of the aircraft. My understanding is that the A350 will be a true long haul aircraft whereas the A330 is more well suited for medium haul. HKG to OZ is at the outer limits of the medium haul range. That is why the A330 is so well suited for it. There is a lot of extra structure that goes into a true long haul airplane like the A350 or the 777-300ER, so I don't think either will be used for Oz. The more likely A333 replacement is the B787-10.

[DLDE]

With QF pulling out of PER-HKG I think CX going to double-daily there is almost a certainty. However I was led to believe (recent flight with a 3/F guy) that we are already running close to the maximum seats per week we are permitted to operate between HKG & Aus under the current agreement.

[SMOC]

Top 10 International Passengers by Uplift/Discharge City Pairs.

Auckland - Sydney
Singapore - Sydney
Singapore - Melbourne
Singapore - Perth
Hong Kong - Sydney
Auckland - Melbourne
Los Angeles - Sydney
Denpasar - Perth
Auckland - Brisbane
Singapore - Brisbane

Be interesting to see if this changes once the EK/QF tie up begins and if CX/BA will make more of a dent as its not having much of an impact at the moment.

Surprised SQ almost carries double the pax CX does to/from Aust.

International Passengers by Major Airlines - Year ended December 2012

Qantas Airways, 17.7%

Singapore Airlines, 9.2%

Emirates, 8.4%
Virgin Australia, 8.3%
Jetstar, 8.3%
AirNewZealand, 8.0%

Cathay Pacific Airways, 4.9%

Malaysia Airlines, 3.7%
Thai Airways International, 3.5%

AirAsia X, 2.8%

Others, 25.3%

International Airline Activity—Monthly Publications (http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/international_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx)

[anotherbusdriver]

For info:
There are presently 2 x daily BA flights LHR to HKG.
One B747 and one B777. Arriving into HKG at 14:20 and 16:20 respectively.

Any travel agents out there with rough ideas on the number of pax currently feeding through to Australia on QF?

[SMOC]

One B747 and one B777. Arriving into HKG at 14:20 and 16:20 respectively.

Just been announced from Nov 15 the A380 will be doing the 14:20 service.

[Fly747]

China Dragon, (what was KA) will be the part of the Australian services shake up doing Darwin and Cairns. They will have spare capacity having lost BLR to mainline.
I'm betting on a mixed order of 380 and 8i.

[nitpicker330]

Yeah like it's not working already and we need to "shake it up":rolleyes: