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Loose rivets
24th Feb 2013, 18:15
How the heck do you steal a drawing that's on a wall? They don't seem to say.


BBC News - Banksy artwork taken in north London withdrawn from sale (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21562875)

G-CPTN
24th Feb 2013, 18:18
The blocks forming the wall were dug out and taken away - though I don't know how they kept the surface screed from cracking.

Edited to add:-
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2186749/banksy-stolen-alan-strickland.jpg

sitigeltfel
24th Feb 2013, 18:29
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OFSO
24th Feb 2013, 18:30
The method one uses in restoring frescos where they have to be removed (note that I said "restoring" not "thieving") is one applies a layer of something to the front of the fresco. This something must adhere well, set solid, but be removeable later on.

You then chip the fresco out of the wall, it won't come out in one piece but hopefully in large ones. This leaves the fresco with an inch or so of backing (usually crumbling plaster) and the front adhering to the magic substance I mentioned at first.

The fresco is then brushed free of as much ancient crumbling plaster as possible, laid on its back on wet plaster/gesso, once it has adhered a solvent is used to remove the front layer of something. Cracks are filled in and restoration can take place.

That's it in general terms, I'm not going to be more specific.

hellsbrink
24th Feb 2013, 18:31
It wasn't actually "stolen". Find out who actually owned "the wall"...........

lomapaseo
24th Feb 2013, 19:06
That's it in general terms, I'm not going to be more specific


hmmm, I would love to see the collection of murals on the walls in your house :)

OFSO
24th Feb 2013, 19:58
Here's the one that's in the hallway: painted on dry plasterwork....
http://i656.photobucket.com/albums/uu287/ROBIN_100/Mural_zps89afd171.jpg
Not quite what you might have been expecting !

Lon More
24th Feb 2013, 20:34
a nice piesce of tromp l'oeuil (sp?). The cat in the corner is a nice touch

pigboat
25th Feb 2013, 00:11
"is one applies a layer of something to the front of the fresco..
A layer of al?

Lon More
25th Feb 2013, 06:36
IIRC there were a number of cases of wall art in WW2 aircrew messes being saved

Hydromet
25th Feb 2013, 06:46
Back in the '60s there was an armoury at Holsworthy army camp that had been a cell block in WW II. Not big, probably used for throwing drunks & minor offenders in. However, on the inside walls was some quite good artistic commentary on military life. Unfortunately, it was painted over in the late '60s-early 70s.

Flap 5
25th Feb 2013, 07:25
My understanding is that the building was being renovated at the time. Scafolding and a covering was placed around the wall. Under this cover the mural was removed.

Beats me why someone would pay half a million for it though. It was good in situe but half a million away from its location? Clearly the rich have more money than sense.

OFSO
25th Feb 2013, 10:15
a nice piesce of tromp l'oeuil

Mrs OFSO says thanks (its her work). It is the Costa Brava, abt 30 minutes drive from our house, but cunningly flipped 180 left to right.

cdtaylor_nats
26th Feb 2013, 07:24
"Clearly the rich have more money than sense."

Is that not the very definition of the modern art industry.

Loose rivets
26th Feb 2013, 15:30
Yes, and to think they took the generator out of the Tate Modern. Cleaned up, it would have been a focal point and the best piece in there.

toffeez
27th Feb 2013, 08:25
BBC News - The church dome painted by graffiti artists (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21529832)

603DX
27th Feb 2013, 10:02
It's a shame that greed is leading to despoiling of Banksy's generous legacy to local communities. He (or she) doesn't want these striking works of "graffiti art" to be put on the market, and is reported to have refused to authenticate the street examples, considering they shouldn't be removed from their setting and sold.

He (or she; the identity is well protected, adding to the air of mystery) has become a victim of the legend in a way, in that their very uniqueness and air of unavailability to covetous rich collectors has fostered this underhand trade in the artist's output.

Like the tag "The People's Princess" coined by Blair, Banksy has become "The People's Artist", with an amazingly broad spectrum of admirers. Two or three years ago there was an exhibition of many Banksy works in the City Museum of the artist's home city of Bristol. The event was free of charge, and aided by the popular regard for the local celebrity, the queues in the street outside were huge, for the several days of display. I was one of those in the queue, together with my Bristol-based younger daughter and her family. The long wait for admission was well rewarded, we all found the collection of works fascinating, cunningly crafted, witty, some beautifully painted, others simply assembled and plain, but all without exception an incentive to engage the viewer's mind, to make the person think about the message behind it. Yes, I'm a Banksy fan! :)

airship
28th Feb 2013, 13:17
Loose rivets, perhaps you should address this question to the British Musuem (http://www.britishmuseum.org/) Over the centuries, they've managed to "prise away" (I dare not use the term "steal") from walls, cellars, underground chambers, objects in full daylight etc. almost everywhere across the planet... :O

603DX
28th Feb 2013, 13:51
To be fair airship, I don't believe the British Museum is conspicuously worse with regard to acquisition of other country's artefacts, than any other National Museum. It's a pretty poor sort of museum that doesn't have a selection of objects obtained elsewhere. The BM even has a receipt for the purchase of its set of the Elgin Marbles from the Parthenon in Athens. (The fact that the receipt was issued by the Turks, who had invaded Greece at the time, is admittedly a bit questionable!) And the BM received the Rosetta Stone after putting one over on the French in Egypt, so that doesn't count, surely? I suspect that a sort of uneasy truce exists between most of the major city museums worldwide, with each holding items swiped/'purchased'/'borrowed'/'taken away temporarily for preservation' under deals of the Arthur Daly type, from each other's domains.

airship
28th Feb 2013, 14:12
Well 603DX, there might be a way around the issue. The British Musuem might simply have to rename itself "as something else", its' continued existence reinvented in 2013, to become "the World's depository of ancient objects" by default or something similar, and where they will remain until conditions suitable for their repatriation to their places of origin become possible. Not sure if the UK government in today's climate will be pleased to continue financing such British institutions on the basis that all those "immigrant-artefacts" will one day up and leave, leaving the premises somewhat bare one day? :sad:

500N
28th Feb 2013, 14:29
airship

With what has been destroyed in the last 10+ years
- Iraq by looters, Afghanistan by the Taliban, Mali
by rebels, I think the BM or one of the other places
might be a much safer place.

Re "their repatriation to their places of origin"

I doubt that will happen on a great scale except Nazi
looted stuff which seems to fall under a different criteria.

603DX
28th Feb 2013, 15:25
I believe that the governing bodies, directors, curators, or whatever, of the major museums in capital cities have long thought in global terms with regard to their range of exhibits, not just limiting themselves to items from the nation in which they are located. Plenty of "secondary" local museums exist in towns and cities country-wide, the "primary" ones, usually in the particular country's capital, have traditionally had wider horizons.

And the names of several of these main establishments, like the British Museum in London, and the Egyptian Museum in Cairo for example, do not indicate that their content is restricted only to items originating in those countries, it simply reflects the establishment's importance amongst the multiplicity of museums nationwide. No name change would be needed or even contemplated, however many of their "foreign" exhibits might be repatriated at some time.