Scoot Captain's Pay

[Clipper7332]

Can anyone who is flying for Scoot tell me what is the average monthly hours and Pay. Do you get meal allowances?

Thanks

[EL CAPITAN]

My sources tell me that they get house allowance , school allowance, profit sharing, etc, etc, etc...:):):):D

[Ejector]

Living in Singapore is exteramly expensive, anyone got a link to the real T&C at Scoot?

[etops777]

El capitan

No housing, no school allowances. The position is based on a local term.

[airplanedriver]

Firstly, are they hiring and also are they taking non type rated guys?

[Ejector]

Ar they still pushing the 74 fired SQ expats on to Scoot?

[Iver]

Would also be interested in understanding the local terms for both Captain and FO. Where are they sourcing their newhires - primarily from Asia or will they hire Europeans? Looks like all of those pilots will need to convert over to 787s eventually....

Article:



Singapore Airlines (http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/Singapore%20Airlines.html)' long-haul, low-cost subsidiary Scoot (http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/Scoot.html) will convert some of its orders for Boeing 787-9s to the smaller -8 variant.

The airline's chief executive Campbell Wilson says that the airline has not determined an exact mix, but it is likely that it will change its order from 20 787-9s to 10 -9s and the same number of -8s.

"They're operationally interchangeable so there's no efficiency impact, but the different capacities open more options with respect to network and deployment," he adds.

Wilson said last year that the airline was examining the -8 and the proposed -10 variants of the 787 (http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/Boeing%20787.html) for its fleet after it took over an order for 20 787-9s from parent company Singapore Airlines (SIA). Scoot is due to take delivery of its first 787-9 in late 2014.

The budget carrier operates a fleet of four ex-SIA Boeing 777-200ERs and flies to eight destinations including Sydney (http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/Sydney%20Kingsford%20Smith%20International.html), Tokyo, Taipei (http://www.flightglobal.com/landingpage/Taiwan%20Taoyuan%20International.html) and Tianjin.

[pilotss2001]

I do hear them on frequency in China and always with an Aussie accent.

[WJAPilot]

Anyone know how to apply or throw a resume their way?

[Left Coaster]

Boys boys boys...If I were you, I wouldn't be in any hurry to head to Scoot, now or in the future. Have a gander at what SQ is doing to the Expat Captains...leave our island now...don't come back, we don't need you. Foreigners not welcome! I know quite a few guys who have been "dumped" and let go after years of dedicated service to the mighty SIA. Scoot does not pay any allowances outside of a basic salary. To try to live and survive in Singapore without a housing or schooling allowance...it will leave you out of cash at the end. LOCAL terms only. I suppose if a guy is out of work or wants to pay for a 777 ticket, it might be a place to start. Just not for me. SQC is much the same...rolling rosters, local contracts and sh*tty terms. The only difference is that they let the ones who will do as they're told stay.

[Burr Styers]

Have to agree with Left Coaster. I'm an expat In the industry,working in 9V land. The winds of change are a blowing through the place, especially wrt to Europeans/Westerners. It is also now too expensive to live in with a family,... by the time you account for condo rental, Health/dental insurance, utilities,tax, education,........and you want a car.......Forget it. :-/

Do the homework, do the Maths ! Opportunities for the spouse to get employment and help with the income........forget it... "Why would we employ a Westerner in front of a Singaporean", is the commonly heard phrase.

Those expats that do well out here are in the finance industry, they work in western companies, ...that don't have Singaporeans at the top of the organigram.

I'm outta here.

BS

[sia sniffer]

I don't want to appear smug, but the writings being on the lavatory wall for some time now, Singaporeans have one significant s Achilles heel, they are staunchly pro Singapore and extreme jingoism is inherent in to their culture. They are all things to all men. They try to embrace all culture, boil it down and produce their unique version of a master race. A facade to all outsiders of openness and tolerance.
The reality is of course some what different. They openly loved foreigner s while the government said as much. No they openly berate the white man. Your culture of sex any openess cannot be tolerated. you must all leave, now.

As anyone who has had dealings with SQ will know they not accommodate anyone despite decades of loyalty to the airline. Even 18 years service doesn't mean much, u can be fired when it suits them

Scoots TnCs are a joke. Anyone signing a training bond with SQ with there own money are as nutty as the Singapore culture.
You reap what you sew lol

[Fair.Pilot]

Can someone answer the question?

What is Scoots Captain's pay?

[Fly_safe]

What I understand from my friend flying in Scoot, captains make about SGD 19K
before tax based on 80 hrs of flying. But 80 hrs is not assured if one goes on leave. Benefits almost nil compared to regular airlines.:{

[Sky Dancer]

To answer your question in a nutshell , Scoot pays peanuts. On a different page , the future of scoot does not look too bright. Firstly the strategy to start Scoot was a muddled decision , SQ is cannibalising it's own market.Rather than just reduce their fares and offer more capacity they went in for another airline.Now they are planning the 787s more because SQ doesnt want them. Rather than just continue with their 2 airline strategy of SQ and MI , they went in for Scoot and Tiger.Eventually they will pay the price.The SEA market will have casualities in the not too distant future.:ok:

[Virtual Reality]

Sky Dancer,

It is too early to judge SQ's game plan. Wait until 2015 when ASEAN's airspace will be opened freely to all its country members. By then, only the fittest will survive.


VR :cool:

[Sky Dancer]

Yes VR you are correct the open skies model in ASEAN when it comes out in 2015 will be a game changer.It will do to ASEAN what it did to Europe , where many legacy carriers are fighting to survive even today while some already closed down.The mistake that the SIA group did was they reacted too late to the situation.When the market does open up it will be Air Asia and Lion Air that will be poised to storm the market because they have the narrow body orders to match.It is only last year that SIA put in the order for MI on a reasonably big scale and they did this in anticipation of the open skies policy.If I were them , I would have never started Scoot but simply increased the fleet size of SQ mainline and MI and be ready to play a vicious price war without dimishing the product.Why would anyone pay $ 100 less and travel a budget airline on a 6 hour flight when you can travel full service with no add on charges ?:ok:

[Germanflyer]

Scoot captains paid approx 20k Sgd before taxes(which are about 10%).
As compared to SQ mainline of about 26k(expat).
Scoot had itself very well organized. Right until the point the 787's decided to play truant.
NOW its in trouble.
By 1st July the same SQ mainline which had 'let go' of its 'excess' expat pilots, will
have 28 pilots short for operation of its NORMAL flight schedules....!
And all this whilst EVERY airline in the world is hiring the 777 driver!
A subtle reflection of the 'Chinaman' mentality.

[Sky Dancer]

SQ seems to be losing the plot these days:ok:

[millerscourt]

I think SQ lost the plot from the time they bought 49% of Virgin Atlantic. It never made any business sense at all, not at any price and in particular not the price they paid for it.

Dr C wanted to emulate Branson in all ways. What a joke when one saw him:D

[Slasher]

Have a gander at what SQ is doing to the Expat Captains...leave our
island now...don't come back, we don't need you. Foreigners not
welcome!

Its been like that ever since the MSA split yonks ago in 1972. When it
became SIA the gwailos were then forever on the chopping block were
possible.

I still remember Freddie Koh introducing himself to our batch in early
1990 saying "You are all needed but definitely not wanted." Some of
the blokes took that as an insult - far as I was concerned he simply
was telling the truth.

[777boeings]

Yes but what does all this have to do with Scoot pay?

[devil333]

Capt's Basic Salary SIN $ 10900.
Fixed Hourly Allowance $ 105.
Some overnight Allowances... All in, around SIN $ 20000 gross. Average of 70 - 80 hrs/mth.

[Nikolai]

Thats not bad as compared to a Mainline Captain on local terms

[airplanedriver]

Are they hiring though? Also if so, what are the requirements? Dont seem to see anything about their recruitment

[devil333]

SCOOT should be opening up for Pilot recruitment again early 2014... They'll be needing pilots for the present 777s and future 787s coming in Nov 2014.

[Iver]

Can mainline SIA pilots just bid for positions at Scoot or is considered a separate division for which they would apply? What about Silkair pilots - can they also bid on open Scoot slots like their SIA colleagues or is it a separate application, etc.?

Also, can someone please elaborate on the "unpaid leave fiasco at SIA?" Did that happen recently?

Cheers

[Sky Dancer]

The "Unpaid Leave" fiasco is all over the internet.Approximately 70 pilots from SIA who were on expat terms have been asked to leave.The management said that they would try to "place" them which actually means that they will be put into Scoot and if required Silk Air at a later stage when the B 737s start coming in.With the present trend, expect more SIA pilots to be "let go" for Scoot.Now the problem compounds itself if the Scoot "experiment" fails.Which would mean more pilots without jobs.:E:ok:

[fly744]

What about SQ Cargo expat Captain contracts?

[Sky Dancer]

same same lah..:ok:

[hoover1]

Anything new? Are they still needing captains? Where and for how long is training and what is the pay during training? I see that they want the candidate to pay for 50% of the type rating, how much is that?

[oldhasbeen]

About half:p

[Iver]

When Scoot has hired FOs, where have they been sourcing them from? Any trends in terms of sources? Silkair? SQ Cargo? Lion Air? Military?

[Iver]

Command will likely be quicker once the 787s start to arrive - I believe starting 2015 or so... 20 on order. I think the fleet is currently flat with 5-6 777-200s.

[etops777]

No command program in Scoot as of today.

For the command program tp happen, they need the approval
from CAAS.

Don't come to Scoot for a quick command.

[lingdee]

Most of the scoot FO are the p2f FO from lion air who have NG hours.

[hoover1]

Any hiring going on? Sent my CV in a month ago for 777 captain and haven't heard a thing.

[EL CAPITAN]

They are actively interviewing , last week a friend of mine went thru the process he told me there were 8 total, that day….Hope it helps

[hoover1]

That does help. Now to get them to call me for interview.

[Iver]

El Capitan,


Any idea of the experience levels of those interviewed? Previous 777 experience? Lion Air refugees?


Cheers

[hoover1]

any intel to what the interview consists of?

[Chicken Arrows]

Does anybody know if it is possible to live in Malaysia and commute from there in order to reduce expenses ??:confused:

[goldwing2006]

Commuting from Malaysia is feasible from JB if you have around 8-9 flights a month. Everything is so much cheaper including housing however bear in mind the crossings into S'pore are very busy from around 5am and exiting from around 4pm and long queues are normal with long waiting times. You don't want to hit one after a long flight back from Oz only to be dozing off while standing still in traffic.
Parking might be an issue at Changi including bringing your car into S'pore multiple times from Malaysia. If I remember correctly Malaysian cars are allowed 10 free entries per year.