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rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 17:19
Was in the local package store last night (package store is where beer, wine and other alcoholic "refreshments" are sold here in the fascist state of Connecticrap.) contemplating something different to drink. (Beer-wise). I wanted an Ale but wasn't sure which. Lo and behold I saw a 12-pack of Bass Ale and not having drank Bass for ages now, decided to go with that.

Took it home and opened the first bottle. Poured into pint glass and took a sip. Hm. Tastes a little different than the Bass Ale I remember. Looked at the bottle. (Blood-curdling scream is emitted.) There on the label, written in plain black and white is: "Made in the USA".

WTF? No wonder it doesn't taste the same as I remember.

Did some research only to be further horrified by finding out that not only is Bass Ale now brewed in the state of New York but it's owned by InBev. Nooooooooo. Noooooooo.

Why did YOU BRITS allow this to happen? Shame on you.

I WANT THE OLD BASS ALE BACK.

G-CPTN
15th Feb 2013, 17:24
Bass Brewery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_Brewery)

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 17:26
Molson Coors Brewing Company? FFS. Now I know why it tastes like watered down Ale.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????????????????

Is nothing sacred anymore? Not even Bass Ale? What is the world coming to?

Sunnyjohn
15th Feb 2013, 17:28
According to Wiki, it's still brewed in the UK and exported to the US. You sure your taste buds are remembering correctly!?

con-pilot
15th Feb 2013, 17:30
Hell, they brew Budweiser in England* now, or at least they used to, so nothing can be depended on.

* Won a free Scotch from a bartender at the Grosvenor Square Marriott with that I did.

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 17:31
sunnyjohn,

It says "Made in the USA" right on the label. I was horrified when I read that. (I'm still trying to get over that traumatic experience even as I write this.) No "Imported from...." on the label. Just "Made in the USA".

From wiki:

"Bottled and keg Bass formerly exported to the USA with a higher abv are now produced there domestically by Anheuser-Busch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch) at a Baldwinsville, New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwinsville,_New_York) facility."

Anheuser-Busch! The "creators" of that camel piss/swill called Budweiser/Butt Wiper. Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

G-CPTN
15th Feb 2013, 17:52
BudweiserBudvar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_Budvar) brewed in the Czech Republic is totally different to the Budweiser Anheuser Busch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_%28Anheuser-Busch%29) stuff.

Budvar is delightful beer with a proper flavour.

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 17:56
G-CPTN:

I had the fortune of drinking Budvar whilst visiting friends in
the Czech Republic. (Well, back then it was still Czechoslovakia) Decidedly different in taste from it's American-made counterpart known as Budweiser Swill.

Actually my local package store actually sells Budvar. However, I don't often plop down $20 for a 6-pack of beer!

wings folded
15th Feb 2013, 17:57
con pilot


Hell, they brew Budweiser in England



It is brewed, then, is it?

I thought it was passed.

Lon More
15th Feb 2013, 17:59
From Wiki; InBev concocts:-

Absolut Cut (Sweden)
Alexander Keith's (Canada) Keith's White
Keith's Dark
Keith's Red
Keith's Light
Keith's Regular

Andes (Argentina)
Antarctica (Brazil)
Apatinska pivara (Serbia) Jelen pivo
Pils Light

Aqua Fratelli Vita (Brazil)
AstikA (Bulgaria)
Baisha (China)
BagBier (Russia) BagBier
BagBier Classicheskoye
BagBier Krepkoye
BagBier Nashe

Bass (United Kingdom)
Baviera (Paraguay)
Beck's (Germany) Beck's Dark
Beck's Oktoberfest
Beck's Premier Light

Belle-Vue (Belgium) Belle-Vue Kriek
Belle-Vue Kriek Extra
Belle-Vue Framboise
Belle-Vue Gueuze

Bergenbier (Romania)
Blue Star (Canada)
Boddingtons (United Kingdom)
Bohemia (Brazil) Bohemia Pilsen
Bohemia Escura
Bohemia Weiss
Bohemia Royal Ale
Bohemia Confraria
Bohemia Oaken

Borsodi (Hungary) Borsodi Bivaly
Borsodi Polo
Borsodi SŲr
BorostyŠn (Hungary)

Boomerang (France)
Brahma (Global)
Breda (The Channel Islands) Still Available
Budweiser Budweiser Chelada
Bud Dry
Bud Extra
Bud Ice
Bud Ice Light
Bud Lime
Budweiser Black Crown
Budweiser Select
Budweiser Select 55

Bud Light Bud Light Chelada
Bud Light Lime
Bud Light Platinum

Busch
Busch Light
Cafri (South Korea)
Caracu (Brazil)
Cass (South Korea) Cass Fresh
Cass Light
Cass Red
Cass Lemon

Castlemaine XXXX (owned by Castlemaine Perkins Pty Ltd.)
Chernihivske (Ukraine) Chernihivske Svitle
Chernihivske Premium gold
Chernihivske Mitsne
Chernihivske 4ezz
Chernihivske Bile
Chernihivske Bila Nich
Chernihivske N/A
Chernihivske Pab Lager

Diebels (Germany)
Diekirch (Luxembourg) Diekirch Grand Cru
Diekirch Grande Rťserve
Diekirch Exclusive

Dimix (Germany)
Dommelsch (Netherlands) Dommelsch Pilsener
Dommelsch Ice
Dommelsch Dominator

Double Deer (China) E-Generation
Premium Light
Dry Beer

Dutch Gold (Netherlands)
Eiken Artois
Franziskaner Weissbier (Germany) Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier
Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier Alkoholfrei
Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier Dunkel
Franziskaner Hefe-Weissbier Leicht
Franziskaner Weissbier Kristallklar

Gilde Ratskeller (Germany)
Goose Island Brewery
GuaranŠ Antarctica (Brazil)
GuaranŠ Brahma (Brazil)
GuoGuang (China)
Haake-Beck (Germany)
HasserŲder (Germany)
Harbin (China)
Hertog Jan (Netherlands) Primator
Oud Bruin
Grand Prestige
Tripel
Dubbel
Winterbier
Bockbier
Meibock

Hoegaarden (Belgium)
Hop Hound Amber Wheat
Hougaerdse Das (Belgium)
Jinlin (China)
Jinlongquan (China) Draft
Refreshing

Julius (Belgium)
Jupiler (Belgium) Jupiler N.A.
Jupiler Blue
Jupiler Tauro

KK (China)
Kamenitza (Bulgaria)
Klinskoye (Russia) Klinskoye Svetloye
Klinskoye Zolotoye
Klinskoye Lux
Klinskoye Redkoye
Klinskoye Arriva
Klinskoye Samurai

Kokanee (Canada) Kokanee
Kokanee Gold
Kokanee Light
Kokanee Frost

La Bťcasse (France) La Bťcasse Kriek
La Bťcasse Raspberry
La Bťcasse Gueuze

Labatt Family (Canada) Acquired in 1995 Labatt Blue
Labatt Blue Light
Labatt .5
Labatt Lite
Labatt 50
John Labatt Classic
Labatt Genuine
Labatt Extra Dry Lager
Labatt Wildcat
Labatt Ice
Labatt Sterling

Lakeport Family (Canada) Acquired in 2007 Lakeport Pilsener
Lakeport Honey Lager
Lakeport Strong
Lakeport Ice
Lakeport Ale
Lakeport Light
Lakeport Red
Steeler
Brava
Wee Willy

Leffe (Belgium) Leffe Brown
Leffe Blonde
Leffe Ruby
Leffe Printemps

Liber (Brazil)
LŲwenbršu (Germany) LŲwenbršu Alkoholfrei
LŲwenbršu Dunkel
LŲwenbršu LŲwen Weisse
LŲwenbršu Original
LŲwenbršu Oktoberfestbier
LŲwenbršu Premium Pils
LŲwenbršu Radler
LŲwenbršu Schwarze Weisse
LŲwenbršu Triumphator
LŲwenbršu Urtyp

Marathon (Brazil)
Michelob Michelob Light
Michelob AmberBock
Michelob Dunkel Weisse
Michelob Honey Lager
Michelob Honey Wheat
Michelob Irish Red Ale
Michelob Marzen
Michelob Pale Ale
Michelob Porter
Michelob Ultra
Michelob Ultra Amber
Michelob Ultra Lime Cactus
Michelob Ultra Pomegranate Raspberry
Michelob Ultra Tuscan Orange Grapefruit
Michelob Golden Draft
Michelob Golden Draft Light

Mousel (Luxembourg)
Natural Light
Pivara Trebjesa (Montenegro) Nik Cool
Nik Gold
Niköicko pivo
Niköicko tamno

Noroc (Romania)
Oland Export Ale (Canada)
OB (South Korea)
Oranjeboom (Netherlands) Oranjeboom Premium Pilsener
Oranjeboom Oud Bruin
Oranjeboom Premish Malt

Original (Brasil)
Peeterman Artois
Permskoye Gubernskoye (Russia) Permskoye Gubernskoye Svetloye

PaceŮa (Bolivia) PaceŮa Pico de Oro
PaceŮa Pico de Plata
Huari
Bock
Ducal

Piedboeuf (Belgium) Piedboeuf Blond
Piedboeuf Brown
Piedboeuf Triple

Pilsen (Uruguay)
Quilmes (Argentina)
Red Bridge
Red Shiliang (China)
Rifey (Russia)
Rohan (Ukraine) Rohan Lehke
Rohan Tradytsiyne
Rohan Monastyrske Temne
Rohan Veselyi Monach
Rohan Bezalkoholne




Rolling Rock Rock Light

Safir (Belgium)
Santai (China)
Schooner Lager (Canada)
Sedrin (China)
Shock Top Belgian White
Sibirskaya Korona (Siberian Crown)(Russia)
Skol (Brazil)
Spaten (Germany) Spaten Alkoholfrei
Spaten Dišt-Pils
Spaten MŁnchner Hell
Spaten Oktoberfestbier
Spaten Pils

St. Pauli Girl (Germany) St. Pauli Girl Lager
St. Pauli Girl Special Dark
St. Pauli Girl Non-Alcoholic

Staropramen (Czech Republic)
Stella Artois (Global) Artois Bock
Peeterman Artois

Stone Mill Pale Ale
Sukita (Brazil)
Taller (Ukraine)
Tinkov Russian Lager (Russia)
Tolstiak (Russia) Tolstiak Dobroye
Tolstiak Svetloye
Tolstiak Zaboristoye
Tolstiak Krepkoye
Tolstiak Grechisnoye

Vieux Temps (Belgium)
Wild Blue
Wolters (Germany)
Whitbread (United Kingdom) (purchased from Whitbread Group plc in 2001)
Yali (China)
Yantar (Ukraine)
Zagrebacka pivovara (Croatia) Boěicno Pivo
Oěujsko Pivo
Oěujsko Cool
Oěujsko Izzy
Oěujsko Strong
Fresssh by Oěujsko
Tomislav

ZiegenBock
Zizhulin (China)
Zhujiang (China)
Zenda (Perķ)



Fortunately none of my favourites named.

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 18:03
no, wings, American Budweiser is not brewed.

Here is how American Budweiser is "created".

http://andersporter.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/img_0635-web.jpg?w=420

con-pilot
15th Feb 2013, 18:07
Good God, they damn near control the entire beer industry. :uhoh:

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WF

It is brewed by Guinness in, I believe, Manchester. Says so right on the back if the can.

Oh yes, as for the obligatory Brit insult of American beer, yuk, yuk, how original. :rolleyes:

Do try to come up with some new material before you go on your world comedy tour. :p

G-CPTN
15th Feb 2013, 18:07
I am surprised to read that that list includes Staropramen (Czech Republic). :{

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 18:11
Yes, and that list also includes Spaten.

I believe InBev may own all the companies listed, or something like that, but has nothing to do with the brewing of the beer, lager, Ale each company produces.

I know from my own experience that the Spaten I buy from the local package store not only has "Imported" and "Made in Munich, Germany" on the label but, most importantly, it tastes the same here as it did there. Which is a very good thing. :ok:

Con:

I believe the "brit insult of American beer" is based mostly on experience with Camel Piss aka, Budweiser. Unfortunately, Budweiser is synonymous with beer-drinking in our country.
Of course nothing could be further from the truth. I know of many micro-brews and locally-brewed brews which are just as good as, if not better than, some Euro-brews.

Lon More
15th Feb 2013, 18:13
they damn near control the entire beer industry.

if you can call chemical concoctions beer, yes.

G-CPTN
15th Feb 2013, 18:15
Cherman beer has to be pure and simple, I believe.

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 18:20
G-CPTN:

yes, Cherman bier must be pure. By law. It's called the Deutsches Rheinheitsgebot, or German purity law. This law stipulates that beer can only be produced using water, barley and hops. Nothing else is allowed in the brewing of German beer.

wings folded
15th Feb 2013, 18:27
Oh yes, as for the obligatory Brit insult of American beer, yuk, yuk, how original. :rolleyes:




A bit tetchy today, con?

I have spent probably many more hours than I should have, in bars imbibing some truly excellent beers in your country, notably in New York and Boston, but elsewhere too.

There are also some truly awful alleged "beers" in Britain too.

So do not get too sensitive.

Bud is defined as the same thing as making love in a rowing boat, as I recall.

Slasher
15th Feb 2013, 18:28
This is how we Aussies describe crap beer (and probably how its made) -


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2009/2373773744_0eec39e2bd.jpg


Reminds me of Fosters and Boag. :yuk:

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 18:29
wings wrote:

I have spent probably many more hours than I should have, in bars imbibing some truly excellent beers in your country, notably in New York and Boston, but elsewhere too.

In New York? Pete's Wicked Ale perhaps? Yum, yum.

merlinxx
15th Feb 2013, 18:31
Why not just go for Anchor Steam or Sierra Nevada:confused:

merlinxx
15th Feb 2013, 18:36
You've got plenty craft breweries and brew pubs in CT to call upon :ok:

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 18:39
merlinxx:

I don't like Anchor Steam. Sierra Nevada is good, yes.

I also do not like one single brew from any of the craft breweries located in CT. (Aside from Hooker Brewing Co., which makes some pretty good stuff. Hooker Munich Style Lager is really good.)

El Grifo
15th Feb 2013, 18:45
Dorada Especial. Simple :ok:

Standard Noise
15th Feb 2013, 18:54
Always thought you colonials missed a trick with the Second Amendment, sod the guns, what about the right to brew and or buy decent beer cheaply?!

pigboat
15th Feb 2013, 19:13
Rolling Rock??? :{

Rolling Rock was a great beer when the only place it was brewed was in Latrobe.

rgbrock1
15th Feb 2013, 19:19
Rolling Rock? F**king Rolling Rock?

I can "brew" something similar to Rolling Rock.

Pour some faucet water into a glass and add 1/16 spoonful of beer flavor to it. Voila, Rolling Rock.

G&T ice n slice
15th Feb 2013, 20:25
RGB I feel your pain...

I now pick up the bottle/pack whatever & examine very carefully to determine what it is I am spending my money on, because 9/10 it seem that the expensive imported german/belgian/dutch/italian etc beer is in fact brewed here in the UK.

Complete & to my thinking fraudulent practice by the bib brew co(s).

I now make a point of driving up to Broughton in Scotland to the actual brewey to pick up some of their "Broughton Ales"

and damn fine they are to

Dushan
15th Feb 2013, 21:30
Molson Coors Brewing Company? FFS. Now I know why it tastes like watered down Ale.




You are welcome...

Dushan
15th Feb 2013, 21:35
RGB: "I've been had"

From the title I thought you saw the AR-15; you turned in, on Kijiji, which I am sure will happen sooner or later:p

Lon More
15th Feb 2013, 21:37
There's some pretty crappy beer brewed in Germany under the protection of the Rheinheitsgebot. It's used as a method of keeping out foreign competition.
For a while it was impossible for Guinness to be sold there even though it does not compete i the same market.

edited to add, one of the worst beers I ever drank was Alpha. Brewed in NL, by a German Braumeister and according to the Purity laws. One glass was enough

Sunnyjohn
15th Feb 2013, 21:42
It says "Made in the USA" right on the label.
Sorry about that, rgbrock 1 - you can't rely on nuffin' nowadays!

con-pilot
15th Feb 2013, 22:06
Of course nothing could be further from the truth. I know of many micro-brews and locally-brewed brews which are just as good as, if not better than, some Euro-brews.

There is a new local beer here made from 'red wheat' that is only grown in southern Oklahoma, some of the best beer I've ever tasted. The guy started brewing the beer in his garage, now has a brewing facility and cannot keep up with the demand.

I've talked about it before, called Mustang Beer. Named after the town he lives in, not associated with the liquid that flows from from the Mustang horse. :p

Pappa Smurf
15th Feb 2013, 23:38
Castlemaine XXXX ,not brewed by Inbex anymore.
Was brewed in England until the agreement ran out in 2009.
English brew was 3.7 alcohol unlike the Aussie 4.8.

Lyman
16th Feb 2013, 00:14
A and W.



Not the root beer. Anchor Steam, and Watneys. Been a while, but drank my share of it......

Brown Bottle, and Red Barrel. Pliny, the younger

Rainier Ale.....be careful

ExSp33db1rd
16th Feb 2013, 02:17
Rainier Ale.....be careful

Ahah ! Is it still available ?

My first act upon settllng into any American Hotel after a long flight, was to seek out the local purveyor of beer - and buy Rainier Ale, seem to remember that it came in a green can. It then seemed to disappear from the shelves, and I haven't seen it for a long time.

Happy Days.

Solid Rust Twotter
16th Feb 2013, 05:53
Any beer from a factory large enough to put it in a can is to be avoided, IMO.

One prefers an actual brewery where beer is produced by master brewers, rather than highly qualified accountants. If you can find one where the beer is live and requires special handling, so much the better.:ok:


Self and hound will be having lunch, and possibly a couple of pints, in the beer garden here... Gilroy Brewery, Restaurant and Pub weclomes you (http://www.gilroybeers.co.za)

Solid Rust Twotter
16th Feb 2013, 05:55
...And before anyone asks, wecloming is an old Irish tradition whereby one is introduced to the brewer and encouraged to have a pint with him.












That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

ATNotts
16th Feb 2013, 09:51
I was told some years ago that the supposedly foreign lagers (horrible word that, imported into the english language to describe anything not traditional English ale) brewed in UK are not brewed to taste the same as their European, Asian, Australian or North American originals, but are made to a "British taste", which seems to be something not too far distant from p**s.

Why can't the large corporates just make things the way they should be. Calling even UK brewed Carlsberg by the same name as it's Danish original (which isn't exactly a great beer) would be the same as making shepherds pie with goat - but then again they probably do that too!

yotty
16th Feb 2013, 11:18
Or horse ! :eek:

cockney steve
16th Feb 2013, 11:19
the same as making shepherds pie with goat - but then again they probably do that too!

Nah! -'ORSE Well, in Lanky schools, anyway

White shield Worthington....long time since I found it (infrequent pub visitor) Used to get a bottle in my youth...decant the beer and my mate used the yeast to start his rice and rasin wine. (brew to bog in 10 days :})

ian16th
16th Feb 2013, 11:24
I have spent probably many more hours than I should have, in bars imbibing some truly excellent beers in your country, notably in New York and Boston,

In Boston, I was introduced to Harpoon Beer, IMNSHO the best beer I've tasted in the Western Colonies.

I was lucky enough to be taken around the brewery on Saturday morning and partook of a FREE sampling session :ok:

FAR CU
16th Feb 2013, 12:18
Hard to analyse your sink water, Slash, from a distance . . . . you wouldn't? ....no . . . . not in a civilised household.

Still Kilkenny for me.

Keef
16th Feb 2013, 13:15
It seems few beers these days are what they seem. I used to drink a delicious Belgian beer, until one day the flavour had gone. The label on the new ones said "brewed in England".

My present "wash down lunch" beer is a little-known German "Reinheitsgesetz" beer (not "Rheinheits..." - that's a river) that I get from a local emporium. It has the all-important German words on the label and it quenches the thirst well.

For serious drinking, I'm spoiled by having the pub that's regularly voted best in Suffolk about half a mile down the road. The beer is drawn from wooden casks in the tap room. There are some regular brews and (usually) two or three "visiting ales". If you're not sure you're going to like it, you get a little "taster" first. Despite many "tastings", I've not been able to find one I don't like, but I'll keep trying.

wings folded
16th Feb 2013, 14:28
The point is, we are talking about beer here.

American (not original) Budweiser does not seem to me to fall in that category, but it is unhappily perhaps the best known American "beer".

Tastes vary, and for those who like it, fine, but it has caused the raw nerve displayed by con pilot when somebody dares to be critical of it.

In an earlier post I mentioned having sampled some truly excellent beers in America, just as, in opposition, I have been dismayed by so many British alleged beers, starting with Watneys Red Barrel, and passing through many other brands, including Worthingtons.

Boddingtons used to be a fine tipple, but became blanded by perceptions of public tastes, when they changed the recipe.

That gave rise, thank goodness, to proper brewers going back to, or maintaining, traditional methods using decent hops, good quality barley malt, a good yeast and clean water.

Brewed and casked for service into the glass after settling. No cans. No bottles. No CO2 added. No sugar other than the natural sugars in the malt.

That is beer.

There are numerous small breweries (and even some larger ones) which adhere to these principles, and they are becoming more popular, thank goodness.

Windy Militant
16th Feb 2013, 15:29
As long as Wadworths and Felinfoel keep going I'll be happy!:ok:

As long as breweries are pushing for profit then the brews are going to change constantly so that they can maximise profit the quality is a minor consideration to them.
An example of this is the change from CO2 to a Nitrogen/CO2 mix. N2 is not absorbed into the beer as much so you can use a higher pressure and push the stuff out of the taps faster without the end result foaming up all over the place.
A small amount of CO2 is added to provide a frothy head otherwise it would be as flat as a fart!
Obviously the faster it fills the glass the more you can sell.

gunbus
16th Feb 2013, 17:00
Proper Proper job beer my Lover

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRbsnsgoXoaHKA2DjHaHxmtPIXouYy3rslZE8GPbT4 KWkAfoVYgHam8jQ