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Sunnyjohn
11th Feb 2013, 20:48
I do hope so: (Fromm BBC News online)
Facebook is facing legal action over its use of the "like" button and other features of the social network.

It is being sued by a patent-holding company acting on behalf of a dead Dutch programmer called Joannes Jozef Everardus van Der Meer.

Rembrandt Social Media said Facebook's success was based, in part, on using two of Mr Van Der Meer's patents without permission.

Facebook said it had no comment to make on the lawsuit or its claims.

A lawsuit has been filed in a federal court in Virginia by Rembrandt Social Media.

"We believe Rembrandt's patents represent an important foundation of social media as we know it, and we expect a judge and jury to reach the same conclusion based on the evidence," said lawyer Tom Melsheimer from legal firm Fish and Richardson, which represents the patent holder.

KAG
11th Feb 2013, 21:26
Facebook is forbidden where I live. And I arrived where I am even before facebook was "created", so I never had any facebook account (I don't feel I am missing it though..). Will facebook disappear before I have the "chance" to see what it looks like???

Internet can be a joke at times.
I remember quite a long time ago I was using msn live messenger to communicate. Years later all my friends asked me why I was not on skype. Skype was great, skype was the future blahblahblah...You could call somebody for free and use a videocam. I tried. Nothing new, nothing msn was already doing.
That's all about fashion.
Facebook is the same, there is nothing, I believe, you cannot already do without it: a personal page or website with your pics and great personal story/achievment (!!!) connected to other personal website, I mean even msn was doing it yeeaaaaars ago with a list of your friends... Well if facebook is about that, nothing new then.

To me (personal) internet looks like a big farce, a fashion victim stupid race. FB and others are the perfect place for people with an inflated ego who believes they are special and unique, while never have accomplished or achieve anything very special outside their virtual world. With so many individuals trying to write their name everywhere on internet, it comes back to be an anonymous planet at the end, without the good aspect of it: while you are still a nobody, personal information more and more available can be used against you one day.

I remember almost 30 years ago on Minitel when I was a teenager we already had forums to discuss, 30 years later we haven't found anything better yet concerning personal internet.

Airborne Aircrew
11th Feb 2013, 21:30
Can we just vote Facebook off the internet???? Please... :{

Tableview
11th Feb 2013, 21:33
I hope it's finished too.

Shack37
11th Feb 2013, 21:40
Never been a member, never will be a member but why deny it to the millions who want it?

Tableview
11th Feb 2013, 21:48
Because it's pernicious, invasive, intrusive, vacuous, and grossly misused. It's a profit grabbing commercial organisation which makes its money out of invading peoples' privacy.

Other than that, I have no problem with it.

con-pilot
11th Feb 2013, 21:49
(I don't feel I am missing it though..).

You're not, trust me. My wife made me join, then after a couple of weeks she chastised me for not being on Facebook. So I said Okay and then for about a week, everyday I would write, "Nothing happened today."

We don't mention Facebook anymore and still very, very seldom do I go on it.

glad rag
11th Feb 2013, 21:53
I have never had a membership of any social medium, not felt the need, but the straw that broke the [sic] back was the photo grab.......:=

Shack37
11th Feb 2013, 21:56
Because it's pernicious, invasive, intrusive, vacuous, and grossly misused. It's a profit grabbing commercial organisation which makes its money out of invading peoples' privacy.

Agree with all of that TV but it has millions of users and if that is their taste................

KAG
11th Feb 2013, 22:10
Con: Haha! Had a good laugh!
"nothing happened today" is quite humourous. I can imagine somebody taking the time to go to your personal page to read that at the end...
At the same time it shows how personal and self centered this kind of website (because at the end this is all what it is, call it what you want this is still a (personal) website nothing more, nothing special or magic) can be.

How many friends do I have on FB seems to be an important issue when I read about it... Common! Could it be more childish than that???

muppetofthenorth
11th Feb 2013, 22:13
End of facebook because another guy reckons he invented the 'like' function?

At best the guy will get a lot of money thrown at him, at worst they'll redesign the website. Hardly doomsday.

Unlike the majority of replies here I actually do use the site. I'm not on it for some ego boost, I don't indulge in competitions to see who has the most friends, and I'm aware of all the security provisions and how to keep my details secret. But the reaction here is typical of the reaction of any large group of people railing against something they either don't understand or don't like. It is in many ways like the tabloid sensationalism you all hate so much. You don't like facebook. Ok. We get it. So what? I don't like Eastenders. So I don't watch it. Why should it be "voted off the internet"? Nigh on a billion people around the planet use it, in varying ways. Why should their use of it be stopped simply because you don't like a bit of it - and probably a bit that you've misunderstood the point of anyway?

Mr Chips
11th Feb 2013, 22:19
Didn't we do all this on a Twitter thread a few days ago? All that will happen is those who don't want to use f acebook will say it is rubbish and slag off social media

I use F acebook and twatter, both for social purposes and business. There are morons on both....just as there are on PPRuNe (which is essentially a type of social media anyway)

If you don't like it, don't use it.

Simple

KAG
11th Feb 2013, 22:30
What FB does that a personal website don't (maybe I have missed something as I don't know how FB works)?

con-pilot
11th Feb 2013, 22:36
What FB does that a personal website don't (maybe I have missed something as I don't know how FB works)?

I suppose because then you are not exposed to complete and total strangers as you are on Facebook.

Which personally, I'm not that crazy about being exposed to complete and total strangers. :p

I still get 'friend requests' from time to time, if I don't know them, I just ignore them.

Tankertrashnav
11th Feb 2013, 22:44
All I ever do on Facebook is play scrabble with a small number of friends and relatives. The rest of it is drivel, and I'm sure I could play scrabble online via another website, so I wouldnt miss it. I also joined t*witter a while back. I have made one t*weet and I have no followers, so effectively I'm not on it.

PPRuNe on the other hand!

KAG
11th Feb 2013, 22:55
I suppose because then you are not exposed to complete and total strangers as you are on Facebook.Well, that's something a bit hard to imagine for me.
If you have a personal blog, strangers can comment, if you are on messenger strangers might ask you to add them in your contacts, and they might see you friends the same way you might see theirs. On FB is that so different for the "strangers"?

con-pilot
11th Feb 2013, 23:02
I would suppose that with a private/personal website, one is not as well known/exposed as one can be on face book.

Then again, maybe you are, never really thought about it that much.

bluecode
11th Feb 2013, 23:25
I'm on FB, find it useful at times. Just about to check it out now. But I tend to use it more or less to see what's happening in my family and work related. It has it's uses. I don't post much if anything about my life and the absolute majority of my 'friends' I have met in real life. I have used it to catch up on my old military mates and my old flying school and pilot buddies from the past. I often 'chat' to friends on the other side of the world. That's nice.

FB isn't going anywhere. If something did happen. It would be replaced by something similar.

If you don't like it, don't go there. I never figured out the point of Twirtter but I don't go crazy condemming it from a height.

Frankly if FB is pointless. What the hell is this forum? I've gradually closed my forum accounts. PPRuNe and a couple of others remain. The others are very specialist interests and I'm not anonymous in any of them. PPRuNe is the last of the babbling forums I visit and I feel my days here are numbered too.

I used to enjoy the idea of posting opinions and thoughts, feeling I had something to contribute but ultimately it's all pointless, even the greatest thinkers in history would be lost in the tsunami of mediocrity that passes for writing on the internet. I realise now I've nothing to say that's worthy enough to be remembered, even by me. Like most of us.

FB for all it's faults, is popular for now. It too will fade.

Meanwhile, I'm off there now to 'like' before it's too late!

Edit: Corrected the word tw(i)tter. I wish the twits on Pprune would get over this childish need to change certain words. It's long past being funny and another reason not to come back here much. Seems to be run nowdays just to shove advertising in our faces.

KAG
11th Feb 2013, 23:33
But I tend to use it more or less to see what's happening in my family and work related. It has it's uses.In fact the best interest of FB is that is it famous so everybody is on it, hence the possibility to communicate with anybody you want.

So that's what I thought, that's all about fashion, nothing particular about FB. Msn live messenger already had everything before, including personal pics, list of friends, contacts, possibility to communicate by several kind of mean... Nothing new I am afraid.

The only particularity of this kind of program is to be famous, not much more than that. I believe it could be useful at times like described above to contact formers friends/schoolmate/military colleagues considering everybody is on FB.

Alloa Akbar
12th Feb 2013, 07:28
The end of FB..?

http://www.insidefacebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/facebook_like_button_big.jpeg

Good riddance!!

Sunnyjohn
12th Feb 2013, 08:07
End of facebook because another guy reckons he invented the 'like' function?
No - because the whole idea was copied. Read Post 1 again - properly.

cattletruck
12th Feb 2013, 09:03
FB is a place where everybody talks and nobody listens, and if you enjoy playing that game then you probably 'like' FB.

Tis inevitable that FB patronage gets diluted (like MySpace) and be replaced by something else. I don't think this patent has the strength to knock it off its mantle though, I reckon its biggest weakness is that more people are finding out how their personal data is being collected and onsold, and are learning to hate that kind of manipulation.

In Melbourne we have a newspaper for the ordinary mug called 'The Herald Sun' which also has a FB presence. Recently, some clever person created a new site called 'Drawing Dicks on The Herald Sun' where followers draw huge penises on pictures inside said newspaper and scan them into this FB site. It has 3 times more followers than the original site. Now that is so funny I actually LIKEd it.

rans6andrew
12th Feb 2013, 09:29
one thing faceache does, for the benefit of all of us, is to slow down the opening of virtually every webpage we visit. Every business page you visit has calls to FB, twitter and several other things to do before it completes and displays properly.

Get rid of the lot of them, I say.

Rans6......

rans6andrew
12th Feb 2013, 09:30
very funny, when I put twiiter I actually meant twitta!

Sallyann1234
12th Feb 2013, 09:39
rans6
You can stop those calls for ever with suitable lines in a Hosts file.

IB4138
12th Feb 2013, 09:56
The sooner it's in Room 101 the better!

Because it's pernicious, invasive, intrusive, vacuous, and grossly misused.

I could add a few more words to that! Grossly misused is an understatement.

There is no proper policing, despite what is claimed. Using it is dangerous.

I wish well known companies would remove their requests to "like" our page. It actually puts me off doing business with them and in many cases does.

The Manchester Evening News will not let you comment on stories now, unless you do it via the book of the faceless. That in itself is totally wrong. The paper does not reply to complaints about this.

Pull the plug now!

rans6andrew
12th Feb 2013, 10:05
Sallyanne1234, tell us more, please.

david1300
12th Feb 2013, 10:40
It intrests me how so many people who claim to dislike it and never use it also claim to know so much about it :=

Seldomfitforpurpose
12th Feb 2013, 10:50
Life is all about choice and most grown ups get that.

I don't like Coranation St or any soaps for that matter so I don't watch them but I wouldn't want them banned, what a very childish notion.

Sallyann1234
12th Feb 2013, 11:44
rans6
Just Google 'Hosts File'.
(It only works on Windows I'm afraid)

Mr Chips
12th Feb 2013, 12:28
Hi Kag

What FB does that a personal website don't (maybe I have missed something as I don't know how FB works)?

In my opinion, the key to Facebook is the ability to "tag" someone in a photo. Let me expand. If I were to put a photo on Facebook, I can tag those people in it. Lets say I tag Martinmax at a party we both attended, and I can tag him because we are facebook "friends".

Now, you and i may have never met, but because we are both friends of martinmax (on facebook) you can now see that photo (subject to security settings). Thats pretty cool!

From a business point of view, I am a full time DJ. If I am DJing a wedding, I add the bride and groom as "friends", and then at the wedding I take photographs and upload them to my facebook business page, and tag them. This way, all the Brides friends will visit my page in seeing the tagged photographs...and hopefully will then view my page and my services, thus driving traffic to my page in a way that i couldn't do with a regular website

Hope this helps!

Solid Rust Twotter
12th Feb 2013, 13:44
Different strokes, Mr C. That lack of privacy makes my skin crawl.

arcniz
12th Feb 2013, 13:47
Fecebuk soaked up a lot of mattress money from unsophisticated enthusiasts when last year's stock offering came out and immediately flopped price-wise, smelling like a week-old flounder on the sand.

Nothing so far indicates FuB will discover a miracle cure to correcct soft markets and soft-headed assumptions underpinning the IPO. The auguries are for substantially weaker-than-hyped prospects for the business itself.

This business about Rembrandt so and so (where have we heard that name before?) could well be first step in building a PR wall of plausible deniability as the whole thing crumbles from its own weight & structural weakness, thereby allowing the organizers a chance to escape with their scalps still attached... maybe.

Alloa Akbar
12th Feb 2013, 14:10
SRT - That lack of privacy makes my skin crawl. Mine too, therefore the likes of you and I stay off FB.. However, Mr Chips is making decent use of FB as a marketing tool, and if you accept Chips as a friend on FB, you know what you are agreeing to and by default, must be good with it.

It's not for me, but Chips example case does show the positive aspects of FB's uses.

rgbrock1
12th Feb 2013, 14:16
Tableview wrote:

Because it's pernicious, invasive, intrusive, vacuous, and grossly misused. It's a profit grabbing commercial organisation which makes its money out of invading peoples' privacy.

Microsoft? Google? Oh, Farcebook. Okay, I get it now!

rgbrock1
12th Feb 2013, 14:18
Sallyann:

Tsk, tsk. The hosts file works on every computer known to mankind, not just windows.

As a matter of fact, /etc/hosts pre-dates Microsoft by quite a few years. It was used in the very early versions of Unix, and has been ever since.

vulcanised
12th Feb 2013, 14:20
Don't think it's been mentioned here yet, but the chap who is taking the action is actually deceased, so that might complicate matters.

muppetofthenorth
12th Feb 2013, 14:30
That lack of privacy makes my skin crawl.

Point is though that the degree of privacy is entirely up to you. You can have you details viewable by anyone who has internet access, or you can set it so privately that noone can see anything.
Even before joining the RAF and being lectured on persec, I had my profile clamped down. Only those I 'added' as friends were able to see any information about me other than my name, only photographs I approved can be tagged with my name, only certain information is visible. I've even got the option enabled that makes my version of fb 'secure' by using the https:// address rather than the http://.

If you enable all the security options then it's no worse than using amazon or paypal.

G-CPTN
12th Feb 2013, 14:37
it's no worse than using amazon or paypal.Why would you grant so-called friends (who you probably have never met) access to your paypal account?

muppetofthenorth
12th Feb 2013, 14:47
Why would you grant so-called friends (who you probably have never met) access to your paypal account?

You're not understanding the point I was making.

By having an amazon or paypal account your details are saved online. But because of security options they are not visible to anyone.

By using facebook responsibly and with even a molecule of common sense the exact same is true.


You choose to have details visible. You are not forced into it. Similarly you choose who your friends are. If you want people you've never met to be your friends that's your choice. I, however, don't.

Sallyann1234
12th Feb 2013, 15:07
rgb:
Thanks - that's (good) news to me!

West Coast
12th Feb 2013, 15:32
What a bunch of crabby old gits. If you don't like it, then don't use it. Many years removed from the military, my friends are scattered to the 4 corners, same with friends from airline life. FB offers an opportunity to quickly catch up with those I choose to stay in contact with and allows me to rekindle friendships from decades before if I so choose. Like anything else, its something to be wisely managed.
I can tell this is a site for pilots, because only pilots whine about shit they get for free. Give a pilot a bar of gold and he'd complain about how heavy it is.

Seldomfitforpurpose
12th Feb 2013, 16:01
What a bunch of crabby old gits. If you don't like it, then don't use it. Many years removed from the military, my friends are scattered to the 4 corners, same with friends from airline life. FB offers an opportunity to quickly catch up with those I choose to stay in contact with and allows me to rekindle friendships from decades before if I so choose. Like anything else, its something to be wisely managed.
I can tell this is a site for pilots, because only pilots whine about shit they get for free. Give a pilot a bar of gold and he'd complain about how heavy it is.

The whole post is brilliant and encapsulates my thoughts on the matter however if ever a truer word was spoke :D :D :D

Tableview
12th Feb 2013, 16:09
What a bunch of crabby old gits. If you don't like it, then don't use it.

If only it were that simple. It generates emails asking you to 'be my friend'. Some of them are genuine but unwelcome, and some are viruses or phishing.

Not using it does not isolate you from it.

West Coast
12th Feb 2013, 16:41
Tableview

Then delete it. I just got any number of unwanted emails this am that could have contained the same viruses, malware, etc and none of them were from FB. As such, then all email should be eliminated because it might contain something I may not want. Or, perhaps you do what I did this morning. I took about 8 seconds out of my day and deleted them. I don't know squat about computers, that I can check porn and get on here is a minor miracle in of itself. I'm sure someone who is computer savvy might be able to inform us how to cut that 8 seconds down to say a more manageable 3-4 seconds. hoping that's not to much time and effort on your part to allow the continued existence of FB of us who do find it useful.

Tableview
12th Feb 2013, 17:09
Sorry WC but you are missing the point, or perhaps my explanation was unclear. Many of the Faecesbook emails appear to come from trusted sources, and as such deleting them all is not necessarily the best action.

Mr Chips
12th Feb 2013, 17:09
I hope I don't come across as a cheerleader for Farcebook or anything, but if you are worried about your personal info being on the internet, then don't put it there. If you are any good at using search engines, it is easy to find out all sorts of things, not from facebook...

Examples


30 seconds searching I was able to tell a friend that I was chatting to the colour of her front door (just to prove a point)
Someone I contacted about a training course knew that I hire out bouncy castles - all he had was my phone number
The lady that interviewed me on Friday knew my previous employment from my CV - she had no idea I also knew hers
I know exactly
how much my friend's house cost her when she bought it

None of those involved farcebook...so I would worry more about t'internet in general!

Sunnyjohn
12th Feb 2013, 17:25
Don't think it's been mentioned here yet, but the chap who is taking the action is actually deceased, so that might complicate matters.
This is incorrect:
It is being sued by a patent-holding company acting on behalf of a dead Dutch programmer called Joannes Jozef Everardus van Der Meer.

Sunnyjohn
12th Feb 2013, 17:30
Point is though that the degree of privacy is entirely up to you. You can have you details viewable by anyone who has internet access, or you can set it so privately that noone can see anything.
This is partly true. Unfortunately a very large number of Facebook users either do not understand how to do this or are unable to navigate through the somewhat complex methods to do so. Bear in mind that many are children, that is, under 14, and simply do not understand the risks they are taking.

Katamarino
12th Feb 2013, 20:51
Many of the Faecesbook emails appear to come from trusted sources, and as such deleting them all is not necessarily the best action.

I have been on the internet for many, many years. I have never seen a scam email from anyone, Facebook or others, that was not instantly identifiable as being a scam if one only applies a tiny grain of common sense. I truly worry about the people who are actually taken in by them; how do they survive in modern life?

G-CPTN
12th Feb 2013, 21:46
Software that tracks people on social media created by defence firm | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/10/software-tracks-social-media-defence)

KAG
12th Feb 2013, 22:24
Mr C: got it, interesting.

probes
12th Mar 2013, 07:43
how was the saying - if you're being followed, it doesn't mean you're not paranoid?


Sexuality, political leanings and even intelligence can be gleaned from the things you choose to "like" on Farcebook, a study suggests.
Researchers at Cambridge University used algorithms to predict religion, politics, race and sexual orientation.
The research, published in the journal PNAS (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/03/06/1218772110.full.pdf+html), forms surprisingly accurate personal portraits, researchers said.
The findings should "ring alarm bells" for users, privacy campaigners said.


"I appreciate automated book recommendations, or Farcebook selecting the most relevant stories for my newsfeed. However, I can imagine situations in which the same data and technology is used to predict political views or sexual orientation, posing threats to freedom or even life," said Michael Kosinski, lead researcher on the project.
There are simple things users can do, said Mr Stillwell.
"Farcebook likes are public by default but it is not that Farcebook is forcing you to make them public; you have a choice to change your privacy settings."
He stressed that the results had implications beyond social media to all digital records - from browser histories to search queries.
"This research should ring alarm bells for anyone who thinks that privacy settings are the solution to protecting information online. We need to fundamentally re-think how much data we are voluntarily sharing," said Nick Pickles, director of privacy campaign group Big Brother Watch.

BBC News - Facebook 'likes' predict personality (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21699305)
Don't use Fbook, but wouldn't these 'likes' be available to some search gadgets even if not public? Just asking.

Ixixly
12th Mar 2013, 08:06
Oh yes, how awful Facebook is, all these self-centered people posting drivel day to day happenings of their lives and utter crap no one cares about.... I'm sure if I had a good look through the posts of all the people who have proclaimed their hatred of such a site I wouldn't find a single one that was self-centered or utter-nonsense? I wouldn't find you taking the time to post about how much you "LIKE" what someone else has posted here.

Not a single person would have put up a picture or a news article they agreed with or thought was interesting.

Oh how awful to be able to actually identify the person saying it as opposed to some of the anonymous crap on here coming from who knows who!!

AND how do people manage to spend so much time on there?! As opposed to the people here who spend just a minute or two each day on their computers catching up with Pprune.

Invasion of privacy? You idiots, you don't have to put an OUNCE of personal information on their to be viewed by anyone except for those you allow, its only those people who don't take the time to understand what they're doing on there and how it works that get caught out. You're dealing with your personal information on the internet, take a bit of time and effort to research how it works instead of whinging and bitching and moaning later on about how "THEY INVADED YOU'RE PRIVACY AND PUT YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION ALL OVER THE INTERWEBZ!!"

Hypocrites... the bloody lot of ya!

probes
12th Mar 2013, 08:26
Oh, Ixixly - hope it's not my post that triggered the blast? :uhoh: Actually it was not that much about "all these self-centered people posting drivel day to day happenings of their lives" - rather the ones who are interested in the "drivel". :E

stuckgear
12th Mar 2013, 08:30
I wouldn't find a single one that was self-centered

ah i see you follow my posts !

:}:p:E

Alloa Akbar
12th Mar 2013, 08:32
Give a pilot a bar of gold and he'd complain about how heavy it is.

:D:D

Difference between a Pilot and a Jet Engine? The Engine stops whining at the end of the flight. :p

KAG
12th Mar 2013, 08:51
pprune is more fun than FB! ;)

Would Ixixly post the same kind of post (with the insults...) on his FB page? Not sure hey?

Ixixly: if you suffer from being anonymous on here, I believe there is no rules against giving us your name and personal pic right now on this thread!

Please go ahaead and show us the example, to us anonymous idiots.

Otherwise welcome among us: the anonymous idiot community. :ok:

Capetonian
12th Mar 2013, 08:56
Ixixly before you accuse people of being 'idiots' and 'hypocrites', using abusive and derogatory language and sarcasm, maybe you should climb off that high horse you're on.

I detest Faecesbook so I am not defending it, but millions of people use it, so it must have some value to them. It is pervasive and there are gaping holes in its security, and despite the changes they make from time to time, there are still problems, the biggest being that whatever steps users take to lock down their access levels and data, FB can do what it wants with it.

You idiots, you don't have to put an OUNCE of personal information on their to be viewed by anyone except for those you allow, its only those people who don't take the time to understand what they're doing on there and how it works that get caught out.

The security controls are notoriously tricky and I know some pretty savvy people who've been caught out and found their information accessible.

A friend of mine who is a retired accountant and very computer literate, in fact he wrote several computerised accounting and payroll packages, decided to use FB to share information with a small number of friends and family around the world. He took care to ensure that the privacy settings were locked down to maximum. He was pretty shocked when someone showed him, in 2 minutes, how to find and place in the public domain, all his information, including pictures of his 12 year old twin grand-daughters naked in the swimming pool, not the stuff that one wants to share. This was done from an Ipad without any knowledge of the password. I have no idea how, but I know it happened.

My sister, who uses FB and has been in media most of her life and is a cynical bitch (far worse than I am!) got an email from a friend saying : "I want to share some new pictures with you on FB". It came from the person's correct email address, or at least appeared to, so she clicked on the link and her computer was infected by a virus.

You will no doubt say that both of the above people are 'idiots'. I can assure you they are not, but I suppose you are perfect and have never made a mistake, so perhaps you can take such an arrogant and high-handed stance against others. What's it like to be so perfect?

Ixixly
12th Mar 2013, 09:13
Its fun to stir the pot is it not? :E

In all seriousness, you're right, biggest problem with FB IMHO is that they change the privacy settings without people realising exactly what has changed at times. And lets be completely honest, nothing is safe on the internet regardless of the site, simple rule of thumb with Facebook or any website that hosts your personal information and/or pictures etc... never put anything on there you wouldn't want getting into the public sphere or into the wrong hands, it's the only way to stay safe.

Only possibly exception is websites requiring credit cards such a Paypal, Amazon etc... as with these you have some security that at least if you're information is misappropriated by a hacker you can recover the money relatively fuss free either from your own card provider or the website itself.

And yes, I post such rants on my FB as well. And no i'm not giving up my anonymity on here, but at the same time I wouldn't say anything on here that I wouldn't also say to someone face to face.

Thank you KAG, its nice to feel at home amongst the flock!

Capetonian, doesn't help that they are very very clever with the scams and phishing these days, I'm pretty savvy myself but have been caught out once or twice as well, it happens to everyone, specially if you're visiting some of the less savoury websites out there... :ok: I'll bet Bill Gates himself caught a virus or two along the line! Talk to any Cyber Security Specialist and they'll tell you quite happily that they mostly play catch ups, they try and find holes in systems before the scammers and hackers do but more often than not they are trying to track down the holes they used to get in. There will always be bigger and better systems for protection as there will always be more ingenious methods created to get around them! I don't consider people who get caught out idiots, except for the ones who get taken in by the Nigerian Princes.... they might possibly be idiots!

Capetonian
12th Mar 2013, 09:23
Fairy nuff!
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSKwafANL0k3jh5QMFC0P_bS6qIHdLtMGET7F7wil4 BHG6K9ICL

arcniz
12th Mar 2013, 11:09
G-CPTN said:


Software that tracks people on social media created by defence firm | World news | The Guardian

Look at history of TRW, inc for some colour in this regard.

US gov was forbidden by law from compiling data on US citizens as a general matter, following some nastiness with a Commie-chasing fad in Congress in the early 50's.

By starting TRW as a public corporation, Thompson--Ramo-Woldridge Inc, heavy-duty info surveillance contractor for the US govt going back to the 30's, was able to assemble vast masses of data on anyone and everyone in the pursuit of financial credit-rating info. They're still doing it, with bells. Now, after 50 years of doing, they have pretty well got the bull by the nachos as regards penetrating the veil of individual privacy of US persons who want to have credit cards, mortgage loans, bank accounts, etc. Pennies per dossier, in bulk.

plus ca change... ten pennies worth.

Standard Noise
12th Mar 2013, 12:02
Sorry, but did I read this right.......
A friend of mine who is a retired accountant and very computer literate.............decided to use FB to share information with a small number of friends and family around the world. He took care to ensure.........how to find and place in the public domain, all his information, including pictures of his 12 year old twin grand-daughters naked in the swimming pool, not the stuff that one wants to share.

Being computer literate does not make one a genius obviously. Forget how secure or not anyone thinks FB is, but to post such photos on any website is asking for trouble given the security failings of the interweb.
I quite happily use FB but I'm not daft enough to post anything (photos or comments) that I'm not comfortable with being pinged round the globe. Most of my photos are joke images or pics of the two four legged beasts that deign to let me live in their three bed semi detached kennel. Who cares if some knobhead in Nigeria sees them, what is he going to do, steal the Border Collie by email FFS!? I also read the Daily Mail and own shotguns, whats more I don't care who knows it, but I won't ever post something I wouldn't want strangers to see.

If you don't want to be on FB then don't type the web address into your browser, if you think you're a cut above FB users then type in the Mensa address instead, it's quicker!

BTW Capetonian, that's not a rant directed at you, just a general one.

Alloa Akbar
12th Mar 2013, 12:55
Personally I like facebook. My Ex wife is a complete b1tch who tries to prevent me seeing my kids, however she does post pics of them on FB, and despite her "Friends only" security settings, I can still see regular pics of my kids.. so that's a small comfort.:confused:

Seldomfitforpurpose
12th Mar 2013, 13:09
We use FB a lot, especially whilst traveling to keep in touch with family and friends. We put info about where we are and plenty of pictures but we NEVER put anything on there that we would not be happy being out there in the public domain.

Why anyone would put up stuff they would be unhappy with strangers seeing is simply beyond us :confused:

Blacksheep
12th Mar 2013, 13:10
Personally, I'm all in favour of Government snooping into people's private affairs as long as it is properly focussed. That's how our police go about opening jihadis' front doors with their "big red key" a few days before they actually set off wearing their suicide jackets. With a bit more government snooping in the USA, 911 might never have happened.

1DC
12th Mar 2013, 13:48
I don't do FB and doubt if i ever will, mainly cos i am a grumpy old bastid and don't see the need.Mrs 1DC does now and again and i see the pages she looks at sometimes.
I get a bit uneasy when i see my 12 year old grand daughter posting stuff but her Mother assures me that she sees everything that grand daughter sees.
I suppose at my age (73) my version of our planet is different from the younger generation..

Lon More
12th Mar 2013, 14:27
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Badyin/funnies/prank_zpsbbe8f011.jpg

david1300
14th Mar 2013, 11:49
And if all of these privacy issues on Facebook irkle you, then there is nothing wrong with good old-fashioned email to stay in touch with friends. Or there is another option, step away from technology and catch up for coffee instead. Old-School I know.

Not my words, but borrowed from here (probably the best article I have read on Facebook privacy): Facebook Privacy Hoax {and the Top 3 Ways to Set Boundaries and Protect your Privacy on Facebook) | thelikeffect (http://www.thelikeffect.com/index.php/facebook-privacy-hoax-and-the-top-3-ways-to-set-boundaries-on-facebook-and-protect-your-privacy/)

muppetofthenorth
14th Mar 2013, 12:21
Or there is another option, step away from technology and catch up for coffee instead. Old-School I know.

I have friends - genuine friends, from school, university and the RAF - who are spread in all 4 corners of the globe.

How feasible is it to just catch up over a coffee with someone who's living and working in New York or Jo'burg or Wellington or Sydney when I'm sat in York?

Fb is quick, easy - ridiculously so for the computer literate (which 99% of the population are now) - and readily available everywhere. Those who decry it simply don't get it/don't want to get it and hate everything that's new just because it's new.

Sprogget
14th Mar 2013, 12:36
Nope, not because it's new. Because they're ageing. That's the key. The world is changing around these old farts and they find it confusing and frightening. Hubris & ego forbids acknowledgement of that since it's tied up with the unwanted yet inevitable decline of physical & mental self, so it's much easier to throw a few cheap shots out there than recognise that enfeeblement precludes keeping up with a young man's world.


Fcuk em. The world needs less pensioners & more tax payers anyway.

vulcanised
14th Mar 2013, 12:50
The world needs less pensioners & more tax payers anyway.


Not David Cameron are you?

Shack37
14th Mar 2013, 16:40
Fcuk em. The world needs less pensioners & more tax payers anyway.


Then you have my sincere wishes that you never qualify.:yuk:

thing
14th Mar 2013, 16:58
I don't use facebook personally but my wife does, each to there own. What does really annoy me though is when you are out having a meal with friends and one of them starts texting. 'Oh I just need to tell so and so something'. I always ask what exactly is it that so and so needs to know with such urgency? Or they'll be taking part in a conversation but glancing down at their smart phone to see what's happening.

I have no beef with technology at all, I'm a technophile but there's a time and a place. And yes, I do turn my phone off in social gatherings. Why this need for instant contact all of the time? If me and the wife go out and she forgets her phone halfway down the street she has to go back for it. What's going to happen if she doesn't have her phone?

We're both plenty old enough to remember pre mobile days and I can't think before they came along that I ever thought 'Gosh what I'd give for a handy pocket sized communication device at this very instant' instead of driving/walking to the nearest payphone.

Seldomfitforpurpose
14th Mar 2013, 17:06
Why this need for instant contact all of the time?

Just because you don't want to why is it so wrong that others do?

You may consider it rude at the table but others clearly don't so who is right or wrong :ok:

Krystal n chips
14th Mar 2013, 17:57
" so it's much easier to throw a few cheap shots out there than recognise that enfeeblement precludes keeping up with a young man's world."

Ah, this may go some way to explaining the reason for the lack of success and why a Crawley pub remains the equivalent of Led Zep playing at Madison Square Gardens for the fabled, undiscovered, but talentless, group then.


" Fcuk em. The world needs less pensioners & more tax payers anyway"

From the Gospel of St Sproggy, an edict that so succintly encapsulates why the term "divorced from reality" was coined.

Here's a little music for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqpVPVBCn9c

2 sheds
14th Mar 2013, 18:14
Quote:
Fcuk em. The world needs less pensioners & more tax payers anyway.
Then you have my sincere wishes that you never qualify.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/pukey.gif

Well said, Shack. For the record, we pay tax as well; quite a bit, in fact, of our hard-earned pensions. AND it's "fewer pensioners"!

2 s

thing
14th Mar 2013, 18:31
Just because you don't want to why is it so wrong that others do?

You may consider it rude at the table but others clearly don't so who is right or wrong

Fair point well made. However, I still consider it rude!:)

Sprogget
14th Mar 2013, 18:52
Maddison Square GardensI'm just off to Tweeet your latest spelling mistake commissar.


Durrr!

Radar66
14th Mar 2013, 20:03
Alloa Akbar....

I'm confused. First you say:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb122/Radar66/alloaak1_zps7f94cd2b.jpg

and:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb122/Radar66/alloaak2_zps350702bf.jpg

Then you say:

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb122/Radar66/alloaak3_zpsbe27f15e.jpg

Bear in mind that I am still facebook friends with you, even if you have deactivated your account... ;)

My take on the book? I like it. I like it as far as I can control my privacy settings, which I can. It is tricky at times, especially with the 'necessary' new changes what feels like every five minutes. I like it for reasons all stated here before - contact with friends from all over the world etc. I also like it because I am deaf, so the visual and typed contact is far easier for me than the phone sort.

I have nothing on there that I wouldn't feel comfortable spreading across the Daily Wail.... But... However when (hopefully if?) it starts getting impossible to maintain my privacy comfort levels, I'm outta there.

Wholigan
14th Mar 2013, 20:14
I agree with Radar (but then I have to).

I have a daughter and her family living in Vancouver, a son and his family living in Dubai and another son and his family living south east of London.

It is so easy to keep total track of their lives and to "see" my grandkids growing up. With that and Skype, my life is a lot more content than without.

Mr Chips
14th Mar 2013, 23:52
sorry Capetonian but this has been bugging at me since I first saw you post it
A friend of mine who is a retired accountant and very computer literate, in fact he wrote several computerised accounting and payroll packages, decided to use FB to share information with a small number of friends and family around the world. He took care to ensure that the privacy settings were locked down to maximum. He was pretty shocked when someone showed him, in 2 minutes, how to find and place in the public domain, all his information, including pictures of his 12 year old twin grand-daughters naked in the swimming pool, not the stuff that one wants to share. This was done from an Ipad without any knowledge of the password. I have no idea how, but I know it happened.

Why would anyone distribute photographs of naked 12 year olds to anyone by any means? Just feels very wrong...

Ogre
15th Mar 2013, 02:41
I admit I use FB to keep track of old friends around the world, and most of us just engage in the sort of conversation that starts as an insignificant question and ends in complete drivel (but it keep us amused so who cares).

What gets me are a couple of friends who seem to think that if they don't tell us all exactly what their child has done every day (with photographic evidence) then their life is not complete. Or the teenage daughter of a friend who recently seems to have embarked on a round-the-world tour and seems to have spent the entire time drunk and taking photographs of herself.

If that's how you live your life then go for it, but the fact that all this is available on the internet will come back to bite you. I hate to think what the children are going to think when they find out their most embarassing moment was displayed in glorious digital technicolour on a thousand desktops around the world, of the teenager who goes for a job interview and the interviewer recognises her (and remembers her exploits) and decides that they are not the person they want for the job.

My pet hate is friends of my son who can't seem to decide what to wear in the morning unless they take a poll from all and sundry.

If FB was switched off an entire generation would have to make decisions for themselves

KAG
15th Mar 2013, 04:17
I admit I use FB to keep track of old friends around the world, and most of us just engage in the sort of conversation that starts as an insignificant question and ends in complete drivel (but it keep us amused so who cares).
Nothing that the old, very old "windows live messenger" couldn't do.
FB (and skipe for that matter) is just fashion I believe.

david1300
15th Mar 2013, 13:19
KAG, If you think there is nothing in FB that WM couldn't do then it's probably better to keep quiet as you are showing your ignorance for all to see. Better that you let those who use it intelligently carry on, ignore those who don't, and hang out on old BBs and Windows Messenger.

Because some Luddites decry advances like Skype and FB you don't need to feel compelled to join them.

Maybe you'll tell us next that there is nothing excel can do that Lotus123 can't.

Phileas Fogg
15th Mar 2013, 14:19
I just don't get the point of why, it seems, to be anybody one must have facebook.

My wife has it and when I view what she is up to she's looking at posted pics of cars, of glamour models, I mean she's looking at stuff that has no material meaning on life.

Email was, in my opinion, a wonderful invention, even here where I live here in a jungle with no postal service I can tap away on my keyboard to a "PC to Paper" company, I email to them a typed letter and they print it out and pop it in an envelope to my 90 (ish) year old mother and all for a service fee of around £0.20.

Why do I need facebook, if I want to communicate with my family and friends then I use email, why do I need facebook???

Capetonian
15th Mar 2013, 14:23
Why would anyone distribute photographs of naked 12 year olds to anyone by any means? Just feels very wrong...

That reaction is a bit OTT. Let's agree that putting them on Faecesbook was an act of utter stupidity, but to send photos of your 12 year old grandchildren splashing around in the swimming pool to a few close friends and family is completely harmless. We're not talking porno poses or close ups.

vulcanised
15th Mar 2013, 15:20
We're not talking porno poses or close ups.


You don't have to, to get some people going.

Mr Chips
15th Mar 2013, 16:00
but to send photos of your 12 year old grandchildren splashing around in the swimming pool to a few close friends

Nope, still feels wrong, slightly creepy. In my opinion.

KAG
15th Mar 2013, 16:35
David1300: I haven't said that, I just comment the quote I made. Is that forbidden?
I am sure FB have great stuff that are changing our life, alright. I cannot wait to come back to France and open a FB account, this whole thing made me curious... ;)

hellsbrink
15th Mar 2013, 16:47
Nothing that the old, very old "windows live messenger" couldn't do.
FB (and skipe for that matter) is just fashion I believe.

Well, since you are in China you are in pretty much the only country that has "WLM" as everyone who used "WLM" in the rest of the world has had to migrate to the Microsoft-owned Skype service now, so Skype is the new "Live Messenger" for most of us here. It ain't a "fashion" at all, Microsoft say so.

As far as FB goes, one difference compared to WLM is that everything is in one place, you can access far more than you could with WLM much easier (depending on what the person involved actually puts on his/her FB page, of course). Let's face it, Messenger is/was fine for just talking, but with FB you can see all the photos of the birthday party you missed because you were in another country, you can see the video of the wedding you couldn't go to, you can see what someone on the other side of the world has been up to without either one of you having to be awake at silly o'clock to communicate "live" on Messenger. All of that is available at the click of a mouse button, no waiting for downloads, everything is accessible.

That can make keeping up with friends and family a hell of a lot easier, there's no question about that.

Sunnyjohn
15th Mar 2013, 21:19
Invasion of privacy? You idiots, you don't have to put an OUNCE of personal information on their to be viewed by anyone except for those you allow, its only those people who don't take the time to understand what they're doing on there and how it works that get caught out.

Oh dear, another Mr Naive. Try this, from the Telegraph Online:

Welcome to the world of psychological profiling based on your likes and dislikes on Facebook, the social networking site. Cambridge University scientists have declared that they can determine your personality with greater accuracy “than your own mother”, from the information that you leave every day on the world’s most popular website.
If they are right, this opens up a new front in the growing battle for data on the internet.
Critics point out that there are serious privacy concerns about the latest development. But many industry insiders argue that the possibility of building up a profile of you – from what you have searched for, bought, read and listened to via the internet – should make the world a better, and more profitable, place.
The Cambridge Psychometrics Centre took the details of 58,000 US Facebook users who volunteered for testing. They then examined what they had “liked” on the site. (Users click on a thumbs-up button to recommend friends’ pictures, books, films, artists and the millions of personal interest “groups” available.)
The scientists then cross-referenced their likes with their personality traits and found out that they could predict with 88 per cent accuracy if they were gay; if they were African-American (95 per cent accuracy); and if they were Christian (82 per cent).
Not all correlations were obvious. Fewer than 5 per cent of gay users actually “liked” the Facebook group “Gay Marriage”. And it is a mystery as to why people who like curly french fries are more likely to have a high IQ. But they do.
For lead researcher Michal Kosinski, the interest lies in the applications that can arise from profiling. The obvious one allows companies to market their products more accurately to you.

Seldomfitforpurpose
15th Mar 2013, 23:42
Wow, they can work that much out..........:rolleyes:

G-CPTN
16th Mar 2013, 00:01
Apart from the major social-networking sites (that I don't visit) there is an increasing tendency of websites to invite visitors to register (free of charge, but at the cost of loss of privacy) by 'simply' entering your email address and 'a password'. How many people have the ability to manage multiple passwords for insignificant sites? Most will probably use the same password that is associated with their email address, thus compromising the security of their email account.

finfly1
16th Mar 2013, 03:07
Regardless of what privacy settings you have on your facebook page, just look at the recent history of hackers who have compromised the most supposedly secure computer systems in the world, including major banking, defense and government operations.

david1300
16th Mar 2013, 04:29
David1300: I haven't said that, I just comment the quote I made. Is that forbidden?
I am sure FB have great stuff that are changing our life, alright. I cannot wait to come back to France and open a FB account, this whole thing made me curious... ;)

Not forbidden at all, KAG, but my comment also included 'knowledge' based on the first reply to this thread (post 2), by you:
Facebook is forbidden where I live. And I arrived where I am even before facebook was "created", so I never had any facebook account (I don't feel I am missing it though..). Will facebook disappear before I have the "chance" to see what it looks like???

Internet can be a joke at times.
I remember quite a long time ago I was using msn live messenger to communicate. Years later all my friends asked me why I was not on skype. Skype was great, skype was the future blahblahblah...You could call somebody for free and use a videocam. I tried. Nothing new, nothing msn was already doing.
That's all about fashion.
Facebook is the same, there is nothing, I believe, you cannot already do without it: a personal page or website with your pics and great personal story/achievment (!!!) connected to other personal website, I mean even msn was doing it yeeaaaaars ago with a list of your friends... Well if facebook is about that, nothing new then.

To me (personal) internet looks like a big farce, a fashion victim stupid race. FB and others are the perfect place for people with an inflated ego who believes they are special and unique, while never have accomplished or achieve anything very special outside their virtual world. With so many individuals trying to write their name everywhere on internet, it comes back to be an anonymous planet at the end, without the good aspect of it: while you are still a nobody, personal information more and more available can be used against you one day.

I remember almost 30 years ago on Minitel when I was a teenager we already had forums to discuss, 30 years later we haven't found anything better yet concerning personal internet.

But all is good :ok:

Personally, I use FB quite a lot, mainly to communicate and share with family and friends overseas; but also locally to communicate with local social groups through FB.

KAG
16th Mar 2013, 05:17
I ve never said I had deep knowledge in FB. Actually I beleive I said the opposite, if I remember well I said I was not sure how it worked and that I didn't have any FB account (in the country I live that's not really possible).

If you went further page 2 then page 3 you could read Mr Chips explaining me in what FB might be different (page 2):In my opinion, the key to Facebook is the ability to "tag" someone in a photo. Let me expand. If I were to put a photo on Facebook, I can tag those people in it. Lets say I tag Martinmax at a party we both attended, and I can tag him because we are facebook "friends".

Now, you and i may have never met, but because we are both friends of martinmax (on facebook) you can now see that photo (subject to security settings). Thats pretty cool!

From a business point of view, I am a full time DJ. If I am DJing a wedding, I add the bride and groom as "friends", and then at the wedding I take photographs and upload them to my facebook business page, and tag them. This way, all the Brides friends will visit my page in seeing the tagged photographs...and hopefully will then view my page and my services, thus driving traffic to my page in a way that i couldn't do with a regular website

Hope this helps! to what I answered (page 3): Mr C: got it, interesting.

So we went through that already.

My comment (this page) concerns more what is mentioned in the quote in my post, than FB in general.

Hope this is clearer now.

However I admit it, I am a bit annoyed with this race we are seing everywhere now: I don't understand, for example, why the new Samsung (4) is so great. I have an old Nokia, extremely cheap, I have access to internet and my emails, what more do I want? Take 2 pics at the same time from 2 different angles with the Samsung 4? No I don't want that!
At some point that's only fashion and marketing.

Capetonian
16th Mar 2013, 08:57
Quote:
but to send photos of your 12 year old grandchildren splashing around in the swimming pool to a few close friends
Nope, still feels wrong, slightly creepy. In my opinion.

Perhaps then the problem is in the eye of the beholder.

Mr Chips
16th Mar 2013, 12:21
Perhaps it is Capetonian...but it is my clear and stated opinion...and only my opinion...that it is rather odd to distribute, even to close friends, photographs of naked 12 year old girls. To put same photos onto any internet site is utterly dumb.

Oh, and finding them on someones computer would raise suspicions with any law agency

Capetonian
16th Mar 2013, 13:08
For heaven's sake, Mr. C, we're talking about two little girls in a private swimming pool. Their 'nether regions' were not visible and if anyone finds anything even remotely titillating (pun intended) then they are sick.

Even Mr. Saville ........ on second thoughts ........ maybe you have a point!

Sunnyjohn
16th Mar 2013, 15:59
I agree with Mr chips on this one. I am astounded by the things that I read that are put on Farcebook. One person put pictures of every room in her house with excellent views of the contents. Ah, you say, but it is all anonymous. Wrong - anyone with a bit of IT and hacking nous can sort that one out. Then its round to the house at the dead of night . . .

Seldomfitforpurpose
16th Mar 2013, 16:40
I agree with Mr chips on this one. I am astounded by the things that I read that are put on Farcebook. One person put pictures of every room in her house with excellent views of the contents. Ah, you say, but it is all anonymous. Wrong - anyone with a bit of IT and hacking nous can sort that one out. Then its round to the house at the dead of night . . .

The more I read the more I wonder if its safe to ever go out again...........

Seldomfitforpurpose
16th Mar 2013, 16:43
on second thoughts ........ maybe you have a point!

Nope, some enjoy taking offence to almost Olympic standards.........

Sunnyjohn
16th Mar 2013, 21:38
The more I read the more I wonder if its safe to ever go out again...........
Of course it is - just as long as you avoid anything to do with Farcebook . . .

Seldomfitforpurpose
17th Mar 2013, 00:36
Of course it is - just as long as you avoid anything to do with Farcebook . . .

Strangely enough went to an 80th Birthday celebration today, within 2 hours I posted on FB roughly 50 assorted pictures of the 'do'.

So far I have recieved several likes etc from around the world, a few txts from the friends and family of the Birthday girl and to date no one got burgled or murdered...........imagine that eh :p

Clare Prop
17th Mar 2013, 05:03
When I was a 12 year old girl I would have been mortified if a grandparent had been taking photos of me naked and distributing them to their friends! Nor would I have been skinny dipping with a sibling or with adults around. That is really disturbing or maybe I am just a real prude? :uhoh: 12 is not a little kid!

Anyway Facebook is what you make it and when your loved ones are on the other side of the globe it is a great way to keep up and organise to see everyone on short trips by organising an "event". Also great for business, as a gig promoter I now use FB events and advertising, very cost effective and better than having the street press muck about editing your pressers.

The people who knock it have usually not ever tried it.

probes
17th Mar 2013, 06:31
Clare, I'm not sure it's just about 'knocking' it. Mankind has managed to get the last bitter drop (often deadly - including less hard physical work and dying in their office chairs or home sofas, e.g) of every good invention - so why should social media be any different. Alsoand to date no one got burgled or murdered- of course it does not happen to each and every FBer. I thought about it when the poor math teacher didn't get it right with Megan, and his wedding photos and descriptions of the last romantic trip got compared to the timeline in public. About how a totally normal thing can become embarrassing by being discussed by many.

Capetonian
6th Jul 2013, 11:23
Should I Really Join Facebook? (Priceless)



Read it all the way through! It's a good laugh! AND really quite true!!

A good laugh for people in the over 60 group !!!

When I bought my Blackberry, I thought about the 30-year business I ran with 1800 employees, all without a cell phone that plays music, takes videos, pictures and communicates with Facebook and T-witter. I signed up under duress for T-witter and Facebook, so my seven kids, their spouses, my 13 grand kids and 2 great grand kids could communicate with me in the modern way. I figured I could handle something as simple as T-witter with only 140 characters of space.

My phone was beeping every three minutes with the details of everything except the bowel movements of the entire next generation. I am not ready to live like this. I keep my cell phone in the garage in my golf bag.

The kids bought me a GPS for my last birthday because they say I get lost every now and then going over to the grocery store or library. I keep that in a box under my tool bench with the Blue tooth [it's red] phone I am supposed to use when I drive. I wore it once and was standing in line at Barnes and Noble talking to my wife and everyone in the nearest 50 yards was glaring at me. I had to take my hearing aid out to use it, and I got a little loud.

I mean the GPS looked pretty smart on my dash board, but the lady inside that gadget was the most annoying, rudest person I had run into in a long time. Every 10 minutes, she would sarcastically say, "Re-calc-u-lating." You would think that she could be nicer. It was like she could barely tolerate me. She would let go with a deep sigh and then tell me to make a U-turn at the next light. Then if I made a right turn instead. Well, it was not a good relationship...

When I get really lost now, I call my wife and tell her the name of the cross streets and while she is starting to develop the same tone as Gypsy, the GPS lady, at least she loves me.

To be perfectly frank, I am still trying to learn how to use the cordless phones in our house. We have had them for 4 years, but I still haven't figured out how I lose three phones all at once and have to run around digging under chair cushions, checking bathrooms, and the dirty laundry baskets when the phone rings. It was a lot easier when the phone was attached on the wall, at least then I knew where it was…. “always”!

G-CPTN
6th Jul 2013, 11:38
What a shame that PPRuNe (http://www.pprune.org/) persists with its censorship habit of altering T w i tt er (https://twitter.com/) . . .

Are they afraid?

It seems to be an immature response.

mikedreamer787
6th Jul 2013, 11:44
As with anything containing "bl0gsp0t". Very bloody annoying.

Milo Minderbinder
6th Jul 2013, 11:50
"Why would anyone distribute photographs of naked 12 year olds to anyone by any means? Just feels very wrong... "

It IS wrong, from a legal point of view.
Instant go-to-jail material

A A Gruntpuddock
6th Jul 2013, 21:48
Pal of my son made a new 'friend' on Facebook.

Sent photos of his house (including the interior) and discussed a lot of things, including his holiday plans...

Yup, was burgled whilst on vacation, all 'friends' details were bogus.

ExSp33db1rd
6th Jul 2013, 23:06
I find it's like other peoples Religion, I don't care if you're C of E, Catholic, Protestant, Galvanised Baptist, Islamic, Mormon - do your own thing, just don't bother me with it.