Can anyone help me ID these planes?

[Pauln1]

I purchased these art pieces of 2 antique planes and I was wondering if anyone could help me identify them. The writing in the background is in French, and the one on top has French colors on the tail. Anyone know what kind of planes, what era and what they were used for? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

http://i408.photobucket.com/albums/pp165/pgnaoum/E3936263-A402-470B-A0A7-6192158BD50A-13947-000008AA9DD15949.jpg

[wrecker]

Top one looks like an Avro Anson

[JW411]

The top aircraft is an Avro Anson Mk.1 in No.217 Sqn Royal Air Force markings. The squadron code appears to be MW-Y. I can't quite read the serial number on the rear fuselage. Perhaps you can help.

The lower aircraft is a Luftwaffe Heinkel 162 Salamander.

[l.garey]

The Anson looks like N9742, which would indeed be an Anson serial. The markings are not French, but RAF. French aircraft have marks on the rudder, not fin, and in the opposite order. It was used a a general reconnaissance and coastal command aircraft, and also largely as a trainer. Nearly 7000 of this Mk I variant were built and some 11,000 Ansons in all from 1935 to 1952.

PS: there is a photo of N9742 at:
Avro Anson Mk I N9742 - Warbird Photo Album (http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/album/black26-white-photos/p7066-avro-anson-mk-i-n9742.html)

Also the history of N9742 on the Skyfame site (scroll down quite a bit):
Tribute to Skyfame (http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/JetAgeRMCSkyfame.htm)
It was indeed "MW-Y", 217 Sqd, flown by Dutch crew.

There are a lot of references if you Google Anson N9742!

Laurence
PS: MX corrected to MW, on JW411's advice!

[JW411]

Laurence:

I freely admit that you must have a much higher resulution screen than I have.

However, while I can't decipher the serial number on the rear fuselage with the same certainty that you can, the squadron code is surely MW-Y?

MW = 217 Squadron 1937 - 1940.

You have decided that it is MX-Y.

MX was used by:

1653 CU Liberators
31st Fighter Group USAAF
78th Fighter Group USAAF
Station Flight Glatton

Now, N9742 was owned by:

608 Sqn (Squadron code: UL - ?)

321 Sqn (Dutch) (No codes on Ansons, HH-? on Catalinas).

In any case, I have N9742 as ditching off Holyhead with 321 Sqn.

[l.garey]

Sorry Jock. Getting my Ps and Qs (I mean Xs and Ws) mixed up. It is indeed the "Dutch" MW-Y.
I shall correct my post!

Laurence

[AtomKraft]

The lower one is a Heinkel He.162 Salamander. Also known as the VolksJager.

An early German jet.

[Rhys Perraton]

Never, never call it a plane, it's an aeroplane.

[Planemike]

Never, never call it a plane, it's an aeroplane.

Where the OP comes from its is more likely an airplane.........!!!

Planemike

[Croqueteer]

:ok: Is that the same Rhys that called the Royal Air Force the "Raf"?

[Peter-RB]

A plane is for wood fettling!

Peter R-B
Lancashire

[reynoldsno1]

... and if the wood is plane, a plane is for plane fettling ....

[Wander00]

"It is an aeroplane, Mr Bader"

[iceni]

And I was told when joining the RAF that it an aircraft. Planes are what my carpenter grandfather used when working with wood.

[l.garey]

I wonder if we can get back to the question originally posted. I think we have answered the question as to the identity of the aircraft. What I would like to know from Pauln1 is where he or she found the pictures. The background papers are interesting. They seem to contain newspaper-style advertising from the early 20th century. Behind the He162 is one for "Le savon Amiral fait maigrir la partie corps savonée" (Amiral soap slims the part of the body soaped), and behind the Anson there is one for the German or Austrian hair gel "Anna Csillig". There are others, but I hope Pauln1 will respond.

Laurence

[TEEEJ]

The aircraft images used are by Roy Cross. Roy was famous for the artwork on Airfix model boxes.

Avro Anson image.

http://www.sepsy.de/RAF-jpg-Planes/avro%20anson-1.jpg

Heinkel 162 Salamander Roy Cross image link

Heinkel He162 - Military & Aircraft Background Wallpapers on Desktop Nexus (Image 948386) (http://aircraft.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/948386/)

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