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gingernut
9th Feb 2013, 10:36
Here's the problem....

Guy down the road died, and his widow kindly gave me his greenhouse.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0053_zps34d6d09a.jpg

which I have now dismantled, and am going to put here...... (inbetween the shed and the existing greenhouse.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0050_zps727012b3.jpg

Thought of putting the greenhouse on a dwarth wall on a small strip footing, and have marked out the dimensions....(the stakes and canes amongst the mud).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0049_zps53602b64.jpg

Now this is the problem, the dimensions have to be exact, as the dwarth wall is narrow, and the greenhouse base won't bend. Could use the base as a template, but it's quite flimsy. Have measured the distances between the stakes and they are correct, but the diagonals are out by about 4 inches. And ideas chaps?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/greenhousefooting001_zps60c329a6.jpg

green granite
9th Feb 2013, 10:43
When you say the diagonals are out by 4" do you mean they are unequal by 4"? If that is so then it's because the rectangle corners are not square, ie it's slightly diamond shape, the diagonals must be equal for it to be a perfect square or rectangle.

Buster Hyman
9th Feb 2013, 10:49
Maybe the greenhouse was built in metric...

603DX
9th Feb 2013, 10:57
Yes, green granite is right. Both the diagonals should be 125". You know, Pythagoras and all that?

By the way, "dwarth" wall is rather sweet and endearing, are you trying to be PC? The correct building term is dwarf wall ... ;)

gingernut
9th Feb 2013, 10:58
Buster, this is England, we don't maess about with those fangled metric units.

That's the point gg, I'm trying to get it square:)

Windy Militant
9th Feb 2013, 10:59
Measure the base to see if it's square,if not build the wall to fit.
If the base is square get your self a bit of string and do the 3 4 5 triangulation like they used to do for marking out sports fields etc.
http://www.fao.org/docrep/R7021E/r7021e0w.gif
Pick one long side as your datum line and lay the four side of the triangle on it.

If you want to be really clever you can work out the hippapotamus of the original! ;)
Pythagoras Theorem (http://www.mathsisfun.com/pythagoras.html)
like wot 603 DX has just done. :O

gingernut
9th Feb 2013, 11:07
Ha ha got it, thanks chaps.:)

ShyTorque
9th Feb 2013, 11:14
The aluminium frame is flimsy by design and was probably put up that way in the first place, hence the inaccuracy you now see. Build your base accurately then just "flims" the frame to fit the base.

Obviously, not with the glass in!

You could mark out an accurate template of the base in chalk, on a flat surface such as a driveway then satisfy yourself you can get the frame to fit that before committing yourself to bricks and mortar.

green granite
9th Feb 2013, 11:19
Don't forget that as well as getting it square, it's essential that it is level in all planes because if there is any twist the glass will tend to break in high winds.

You will find your vocabulary will increase tremendously as you put it up, although probably not as much as mine did as I had to build it from a kit of bits.:E

Mr Chips
9th Feb 2013, 11:19
errr Gingernut there is no shed in that first photo. If you are referring to the brick built structure as a shed, then you live somewhere right posh.

I refer you to Commodore Draper for a ruling on your shed.

:E

wings folded
9th Feb 2013, 11:25
I would have thought that the esteemed Drapes is taking a sabbatical from shed rulings in view of his juvenile canine obligations.

Leave the poor bugger alone for a spell; shed rulings can always wait.

If it is urgent, I could make an interim ruling...

Fox3WheresMyBanana
9th Feb 2013, 11:47
for levelling, if you have clear hose/piping you can make a water level. 5m will do you. Alternatively, a chalk line with a sliding level.

B&Q 113g Chalk Line Reel Set, 0000003594513 (http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/handtools-storage-workwear/handtools/measures-levels/measures/B-and-Q-113g-Chalk-Line-Reel-Set-9676676)

or something like this will work

Laser Level Kit 406mm (16 Inches), 0000001019452 (http://www.diy.com/nav/fix/handtools-storage-workwear/handtools/measures-levels/levels/Laser-Level-Kit-406mm-16-Inches-11567549)

All the above will work precisely (I've just used them to build a two storey house), but you'll need have a calm day and to triple-check each measurement for accuracy as they are all prone to moving a bit. You could pop down your local hire shop and see if they'll rent you a proper laser construction level. You'll only need it for an hour.

david1300
9th Feb 2013, 12:12
Gingernut I see your problem. In post 5 above you say you are trying to get it square. In post 1 the dimensions are clearly rectangular:p. This is a task beyond you:E Go to th shed and have a few stiff ones. After that, square, oblong, round - who cares, just as long as the hired help get your erection sorted, all will be good:ok:

G-CPTN
9th Feb 2013, 12:15
Wouldn't it make sense to incorporate some 'fall' to allow any spillages or leaks to drain?

Mr Chips
9th Feb 2013, 12:15
Oooh - hired help can always sort erections! :E

Wings Folded
shed rulings can always wait I disagree! Interim view please on brick built sheds....

wings folded
9th Feb 2013, 12:24
Well, whilst not a judge of the Supreme Court of sheds, but as a judge of first instance, I will rule on an interim basis that "shed" in this context, and notwithstanding European Directive 2013 2308986767554543543 of 4th February, as amended the day after, with Malta opting out, the material of construction is at all times secondary and subservient to the function of the edifice.

If it contains umpteen jam jars with various types of screw threaded bolts, odd bits of cabling, offcuts of a number of different types of wood and at least three cans of dried paint, it counts as a "shed".

Leave to appeal is granted.

Mac the Knife
9th Feb 2013, 13:00
Note that small children and greenhouses are not a good combination.

Mac

:(

M.Mouse
9th Feb 2013, 13:15
Don't digress, he didn't say that he was going to keep small children in it.

Mr Chips
9th Feb 2013, 13:17
he didn't say he wasn't :E

OFSO
9th Feb 2013, 13:44
Could be planning to have Snow Thwite and the Seven Dwarths in it.

sisemen
9th Feb 2013, 14:33
The Holmes in me says don't accept the greenhouse.

The deceased gentleman obviously died from a surfeit of meusli and roughage that his wife was feeding him (probably with nefarious intent) and in the run-up (pun intended) to his untimely death felt that he had to use the greenhouse not to grow vegetables in but as an outhouse and the outsize toilet roll resting therein is evidence of the use to which the building was put.

gingernut
9th Feb 2013, 15:10
errr Gingernut there is no shed in that first photo. If you are referring to the brick built structure as a shed, then you live somewhere right posh.

Shhhh....that's what I've told planning:)

Mr Mac, good point, think our local glass company does some sort of kid proof glass.

As for the ruling on sheds, has one not been following http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/291829-chateau-du-jardin-7.html

Windy Militant
9th Feb 2013, 15:40
but as an outhouse and the outsize toilet roll resting therein is evidence of the use to which the building was put.

That's where he kept his elephant! Well we used to call that stuff elephant wipe when I were on't tools. ;)

Milo Minderbinder
9th Feb 2013, 16:14
Don't build a wall
Instead half-sink old railway sleepers or scaffold planks into the ground and bolt the frame to those. They're wide enough to allow for a bit of distortion in the shape.
If neccesary use two layers of sleepers - one sunk in the ground, the other on top of that

probes
9th Feb 2013, 16:28
Don't digress, he didn't say that he was going to keep small children in it.
Oh, God! :ouch: :E
What about the next step - a bit bigger ones?

Nice to be cheered up anyway. I've just been wondering why it's so that if one wants to get a screw out of the wooden panel, you have to press like hell as if you were trying to get it in.
As the bed the labrador considers hers decided to collapse. The wooden frame, that is (and I decided to use the opportunity of not to be told: "It's not done like that." Although he's right, I guess).
Must be because of me, probably it said 'for up to 40 kg' in the bed-manual.
I guess.

Hobo
9th Feb 2013, 19:23
... if one wants to get a screw out of the wooden panel, you have to press like hell as if you were trying to get it in.

I'm not sure this is the sort of erection difficulty gingernut is referring to...

beaufort1
9th Feb 2013, 19:38
Shuttering ply and you pour concrete to make a solid base, something solid to screw the frame down into. When in the summer you need to keep humidity high for growing you can just damp the floor down. You can grow everything in bags and large pots. :ok:

gingernut
9th Feb 2013, 19:47
It'll be worth the effort in a couple of months :)

Persia
9th Feb 2013, 20:03
Least you all have a hands on idea of your erections.:E

lomapaseo
9th Feb 2013, 20:16
Most inhteresting thread titles in JB are ruined without pictures.

This very scintilating thread topic in this case was ruined by the addition of pictures

vulcanised
9th Feb 2013, 21:32
I would show you mine but someone always complains about oversize pictures.............

crippen
10th Feb 2013, 02:17
http://www.solardome.co.uk/resources/photos/Commercial/3%20domes.jpg

If the base is not level and or the right shape,everything goes t..ts up,like mine did! :{

Slasher
10th Feb 2013, 03:18
I would show you mine but someone always

And undersized ones... :(

probes
10th Feb 2013, 06:05
Ginger!!
You DO keep small children in there after all - or where is the kid heard in the background (of the vid)??

gingernut
10th Mar 2013, 21:15
The plot

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0049_zps53602b64.jpg

gingernut
10th Mar 2013, 21:17
the base...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0048_zpsbd518e34.jpg

gingernut
10th Mar 2013, 21:19
First course...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0054-1_zps23d4f7c0.jpg

gingernut
10th Mar 2013, 21:20
Frame on....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0056-1_zpsce9677b2.jpg

gingernut
10th Mar 2013, 21:23
Glazing job today, bloomin freezing...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0057-2_zps58945da4.jpg

Erwin Schroedinger
11th Mar 2013, 08:21
Go to th shed and have a few stiff ones... get your erection sorted, all will be good

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Spitoon
11th Mar 2013, 09:26
Nice professional job there by the look of it, ginge.

Didn't contribute before, partly because I was originally put off the thread by the title and partly because of my own experience a few years ago. Ad in the local paper said 'Greenhouse for sale, £10, buyer collects'. I found that building the base was the easy bit compared to taking the darned thing apart.

In my case, I laid a concrete base much like yours and then simply rested the frame atop it. Never had any problems with it although it doesn't look as swish as yours.

Seeing as you've already got one greenhouse in the garden, do I take it that this one will be for the jacuzzi?

gingernut
11th Mar 2013, 13:34
Thanks spitoon, rather proud of it !

Ones for the plants, t'others for the logs :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0049_zpsa2770969.jpg

Hobo
11th Mar 2013, 14:19
Excellent job, and the sledge hammer in 'the base' pic, is for...?

.

Spitoon
11th Mar 2013, 14:56
I'm no gardener ginge, but I don't think the logs will grow no matter how much you water them.

gingernut
11th Mar 2013, 16:59
Ha Ha, just burning a few now !

It's not a sledgehammer, it's a "Manchester Screwdriver!"

(It's for knowcing in the stakes for the string lines which make sure the bricks are in line.)

11th Mar 2013, 18:28
Good to see you finally got it up, Ginge.

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 20:20
Glass in.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0050_zps9bfd2110.jpg

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 20:24
more stone needed.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0051-1_zps8b028b1e.jpg

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 20:30
compost in... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0052_zpsc9635c1a.jpg

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 20:31
Does it get much better ?...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0055-2_zps5b621def.jpg

toffeez
17th Mar 2013, 20:55
1) Grow stuff you could buy cheaper in the shop?
2) Give an old fart some exercise to do?
3) Reduce the value of your house?
4) Cut the size of your garden?
5) Somewhere to hide porn?

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 21:28
5&6 should not be done in a glass house.

To be fair, I can't really argue with 1-4.

Something quite nice about growing your own chilli's, yellow tomato's, seedlings etc, and in this part of the country, it's great to feel some sun without the cols East wind. It's a delightful way to waste time:)

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 21:29
Are you by any chance not British toffeez?

beaufort1
17th Mar 2013, 21:33
Looking good. :ok:
Whilst we're on the subject but not wishing to hi-jack this thread. I've inherited a greenhouse in a place I bought last year and one of the vents in the roof has been replaced by a white sheet of perspex. I'd like to reinstate a proper manual vent, the glass would measure 18" square. I've had a good look on google but no luck, any Ppruners able to help with the name or a link to a supplier in the UK?:8

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 21:49
Erecting or moving a greenhouse always results in a few breakages.

A 2 foot x 2 foot piece (2mm) should cost about four quid from your local glass merchant.

Measuring correctly as, always, is the key :)

beaufort1
17th Mar 2013, 22:02
I've got the glass, I need the frame for the glass that opens on hinges with a thingie that holds it open.:)

G-CPTN
17th Mar 2013, 22:21
I need the frame for the glass that opens on hinges with a thingie that holds it open.Visit your local tip and root around until you find it.

After all, how far can something on Alderney have gone?

Seriously:-
Somewhere on the frame there should be a manufacturers/suppliers name and contacting them might be the best idea.

gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 22:24
Freecycle ?

beaufort1
17th Mar 2013, 22:36
Don't think we have freecycle here and I've had a good look for a manufacturers plate but no joy. I've tried a few 'gardening sites' online with links to greenhouse manufacturers but no joy so far. A lot sell the automatic hydraulic arm thingies but not the frames. :8

G-CPTN
17th Mar 2013, 22:48
Can't a man with a shed fettle you a frame?

There must be someone on Alderney with the wherewithal to fabricate things.

Is there a model-makers guild? Or maybe an inventor's club?

Edited to add:- The Freecycle Network - about the Alderney Group (http://groups.freecycle.org/AlderneyUK/description)

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gingernut
17th Mar 2013, 23:49
I've got the glass, I need the frame for the glass that opens on hinges with a thingie that holds it open.

The clips and window wires seem to be of one standard, so I'm guessing thr frames are to, have you got a pic?

G-CPTN
18th Mar 2013, 00:45
Question to beaufort1 :-

Is your greenhouse aluminium-framed like the majority (?) of UK mass-produced greenhouses, or is it wooden-framed (like 'quality' greenhouses tend to be)?

If the former, then suppliers of double glazing that assemble their own windows should be able to construct a suitable frame (complete with hinges).

If the frame is wooden, then a skilled cabinetmaker should be able to provide the frame that you need.

OTOH, there are manufacturers (of greenhouses) that supply their models, some of which have opening roof vents.
Start here:-
Greenhouse manufacturers and suppliers in the UK reviewed (http://www.gardenaction.co.uk/greenhouse/greenhouse_supplier_uk.asp)
and then scour the websites of the manufacturers until you find a model that resembles yours.
Then contact them and see if they can supply a 'spare' vent frame (you could send them a photograph of your greenhouse 'space').

This might help:- Halls Greenhouse Accessories and Spares including Staging, Shelving and more - Buy Halls Greenhouses For Sale & Home Delivery (http://www.hallsgreenhouses.co.uk/Halls_AGL_Greenhouse_Accessories_and_Spares/)

beaufort1
18th Mar 2013, 07:35
Cheers guys for the links. I will pursue further. There is nothing to take a picture of, there is a vent on the other side and where there was one there is just a piece of white perspex, I'm assuming there was a vent there it could be just a pane of glass missing. It seems odd though as it would have taken more effort to put the perspex in (as it's been secured using a white rubber sealant) than to replace with a standard piece of glass.

gingernut
19th Mar 2013, 22:24
Us happy gardening folk call it The Greenhouse Effect

Sun without the chill:)

G-CPTN
19th Mar 2013, 22:50
It seems odd though as it would have taken more effort to put the perspex in (as it's been secured using a white rubber sealant) than to replace with a standard piece of glass.
Some greenhouses don't have any vents, and some have just one.
Cosmetically, white perspex will spoil the look of course, but do you really need a second vent? It looks like the cost of a vent frame would be about £45.
At least you have a frame that you can use as a pattern if you want to fit a second vent.

As far as the perspex is concerned, maybe the person already had a piece of perspex when the glass broke?
Perspex is easier to shape than glass (unless you are experienced).
The silicone rubber sealant is easy to apply - it comes in a tube which requires an applicator (low-cost).
If you got a suitable piece of glass you could fix it using clear sealant.

We still don't know whether your greenhouse is aluminium or wooden framed.

gingernut
19th Mar 2013, 23:03
a pic could solve all your greenhouse problems beau..

beaufort1
20th Mar 2013, 08:02
It's an aluminium greenhouse. 12'x8'. Busy painting a boat today, but will try and get a picture later. The one other vent is Ok, and with the door open I can dump heat.

beaufort1
21st Mar 2013, 13:56
I've managed to take some piccies.

View from outside, and this is the piece of white perspex that has been screwed and sealed (not very well) in place.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/grantdi/ghouse4_zps3a339701.jpg

View from inside.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/grantdi/ghouse1_zps32732118.jpg

Close up, there are some aluminium nuts and bolts in the bottom left hand corner under the sealant.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/grantdi/ghouse3_zps5d26f26e.jpg

This is the existing vent on the other side.

beaufort1
24th Mar 2013, 12:50
Guess what? I was scrabbling around at the back of my garden store this morning and found the frame for the vent, hidden high up on a shelf. The previous owner must have stored it there for safe keeping after the glass got broke I'm guessing. :O

G-CPTN
24th Mar 2013, 13:13
I was scrabbling around at the back of my garden store this morning and found the frame for the vent, hidden high up on a shelf.
Result! (well, at least, partially) :ok:

gingernut
6th Apr 2013, 19:58
View from the greenhouse this afternoon... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0063-1_zps551f5ff5.jpg

gingernut
6th Apr 2013, 20:00
These, (and the strawberry plants), are one of the few things that survived this winter..... Curry Plants... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0084-1_zpsf428216d.jpg

gingernut
6th Apr 2013, 20:54
only one way to end a day in the greenhouse.... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0091_zps5664320c.jpg

PingDit
6th Apr 2013, 22:06
Could have saved yourself hours of heartache me old mate. Should've just thrown the bits of greenhouse onto the base and watered liberally with liquid Viagra. It would have put itself up! Nice job though.

gingernut
6th Apr 2013, 22:14
Peroni and plant pots .... :=)

Cosmos looking good though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/gingernut123/DSC_0012-1_zps143d953e.jpg