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Loose rivets
5th Feb 2013, 17:38
Dyson said that its latest motor had taken more than 100 engineers over £26.9m to develop. Just goes to show.

The hours I spent making an automatic rain sensor for car's wipers. It worked, with a total cost of about three quid. One of the first times it worked, my nipper came into the workshop and said, "Dad, look what's on tomorrow's world." Oddly, on the night, theirs didn't work.:E

BBC News - Dyson launches all-in-one hand-drying Airblade water tap (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21323365)

Blues&twos
5th Feb 2013, 18:39
Well, let's hope that most of their effort went on making it considerably quieter than the deafening over-priced stuff they've produced so far.

gingernut
5th Feb 2013, 18:41
never use a dyson to hoover up ya'ash, it blows up :)

Loose rivets
5th Feb 2013, 20:39
This is Frinton's $1,000,000 loo. True that, not that they used dollars. Anyway, it has Dyson Airblade dryers which do tend to drown the classical music piped around the building. But they do dry. Mind you, the stripping of one's skin is a tad inconvenient.


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Ant
5th Feb 2013, 20:44
From the BBC report:

and a stainless steel head unit from which the water flows and unheated air jets out at 430mph (692 km/h)

Er, I think not!

Milo Minderbinder
5th Feb 2013, 20:52
go to any rubbish tip (sorry I mean recycling centre), look in the "small electricals" skip and count the numbers of different models of vacuum cleaners.
I think you'll find that in most cases there are more Dysons than the rest put together........the guys at my local tip reckon its because people can't work out how to empty them, but there seems a more fundamental reliabilty problem to me

rmcb
5th Feb 2013, 21:29
Daily chores in our B&B involve using a Henry. This has been with us for four years... post three Dysons.

They are crap. The faintest sniff of brick or coal dust and they keel over. Too clever by half for their own good - a bit like the yummy mummies who have been sold style over function.

Milo Minderbinder has hit it on the button!

Blues&twos
5th Feb 2013, 22:31
Entirely agree. Our Dyson keeled over after a few years of normal household use. Motor burnt out.

And two hundred quid for a desk fan? We had a couple where I work, and I was offered one. Gave it a try and couldn't stand tbe buzzing noise. The blurb claimed to prevent the uncomfortable buffeting from ordinary fans. WTF? I gave it to someone else.

We also have the airblade hand driers. Yhey are good and quick, but very noisy indeed.

FlyerFoto
5th Feb 2013, 22:45
We've got a Dyson cleaner - it's as if it was developed by the characters of 'The Big Bang Theory' - brilliant minds who've never actually had to use a vacuum cleaner...

I agree with a previous post - I'd happily have another Henry any day!

RJM
5th Feb 2013, 23:01
And two hundred quid for a desk fan?

Open a window, like I do.

airship
5th Feb 2013, 23:48
From Loose rivets link above: the BBC's reporter Mark Gregory is heard to say: I'm not sure I'd pay £1,000, but I haven't enjoyed drying my hands in a long time as much as that."

I personally believe that Sir James Dyson is attempting to supply the wrong product for the wrong market. What he should have done is to manufacture a similar product, destined to be installed primarily (but why not at richer individuals' homes also) but at restaurants, airports etc. The device would be installed at urinals. So instead of 2 shakes after a pee, the Dyson appliance would automatically give you a complete blow-job in just 12 seconds. No worries about the costs of using and disposing of dirty tissues etc. afterwards, just repeat the process as necessary.

Seriously though, never had a problem with the "standard" and much cheaper type of hot-air hand-dryers - also most of these have nozzles that you can turn-up so that the blast hits your face (when you decided to splash a bit of water or whatever on that as well).

PS. The IR or other "motion-detecting" sensors will also eventually fail. Just look at all the electronics. It's both disingenious and probably misleading when Sir James Dyson explains that the high "up-front" price is a one-off, almost "lifetime" payment, as if the product will not eventually fail at some stage. When faced with the repair costs, Dyson customers may well be sent complimentary Kleenex tissues to dry their tears...?! :}

Milo Minderbinder
6th Feb 2013, 05:53
airship

from that I take it you're one of these wimpy boys who wipes their end on a tissue after peeing?
real men just let it drip

radeng
6th Feb 2013, 07:57
Being a Luddite by nature ( a strange thing for an engineer with 23 patent applications to his name over the years), I keep feeling that there are far too many applications of technology for the sake of applying technology and not to actually do the job any better.

dead_pan
6th Feb 2013, 08:07
Dyson, a case of style over substance - not exactly the best advert for British ingenuity. Our Miele hoover is not flashy or high tech, but does the job admirably. Thats German engineering for you.

G&T ice n slice
6th Feb 2013, 08:14
Our Miele hoover

Ah... is that like my Bendix Bosch?

Rwy in Sight
6th Feb 2013, 08:22
And then Milo, the wet feeling stays with them for some time.

Rwy in Sight

radeng
6th Feb 2013, 08:34
Milo,

A lot depends on exactly what is causing the dripping....

Carry0nLuggage
6th Feb 2013, 09:25
Perhaps they don't make Dysons like they used to. Ours is over 12 years old and hasn't stopped yet. Most of the house has hard flooring rather than carpet which is good since it is quite capable of lifting the carpet as it goes along. The rest of the Dyson's life has been spent gobbling up brick dust, cement dust (and small bits of rubble too), loft insulation, plaster, mud, small stones, wood chippings, ash from the fire, being dragged outside to clean the car and generally abused. The only thing I've replaced has been the hose because all that building waste eroded away the end fittings.

probes
6th Feb 2013, 11:05
:cool: - we just discussed it with my undergraduates (as a language activity mainly) and they said it's pointless - because they have their jeans to dry hands with.

Mike744
6th Feb 2013, 14:18
I've had the first model Dyson (DC01) vacuum now for 19 years. Generally reliable & easy to fix. I've replaced a motor, 2 brushbars & soleplate, belts, filters and last week a set of carbon brushes. Don't need a later model as a search on Ebay can generally get parts cheap. As long as I can still get parts why change?

Ripline
6th Feb 2013, 15:06
Got our second Dyson DC01 from a BMW driver at the local recycling centre several years ago - he was about to hurl it when I asked him what was wrong with it as I had an identical model that had (and still does) given years of service. He replied that his wife "just wanted a new model" and there was nothing actually wrong with it......

Good clean and new filters, replaced a drive band, thanks very much. It was actually in better condition than the original. Now have one upstairs, t'other downstairs. Saves SWMBO from lugging one between floors as we age. I know, so considerate....

But it is truely amazing what people waste in the interests of "life-style". Mind you, if you do aquire a replutation for being "careful" with money, guilty, I guess.

Ripline

The late XV105
6th Feb 2013, 15:45
Dysons Okay

+1 for the DC01 at least.
I have no experience of any others.

We've had ours for 18 years and the only replacement has been of:


The flexible hose three times - The original lasting at least twice as long as each pattern copy that is now the only option.
The power cable - Because the cable tidy design repeatedly bends the cable in the same place. I shortened the cable a few times having found that the break was always in the same relative place but finally replaced it a few months ago!

Having said all that, I currently use my parents' 1962 Electrolux to vacuum inside the cars every weekend. Everything bar the hose is original and everything still works perfectly fine.

cockney steve
6th Feb 2013, 15:57
Another DC01 user here...all castoffs (have redistributed several ).also have an original 04 stair-hugger.

Engineered down to the knuckle, not a gram of surplus material anywhere and wear-areas with just enough "meat" to give a "reasonable" service-life. Sole-plates, wheel-hubs and carpet-beaters are the worst offenders, The swan-neck on the 04.s hose end is also prone to snap where it plugs into the Wand.

Clean the filters, regularly check airways for trapped debris/ long hairs / threads and they'll have a long life.
DC07 (with all the cyclones round the top) weighs a ton and hose too short waste of time as was the lime green one with the clutch. (05?)

one of mine was put out with the bins,- I liberated it, emptied half a pound of dust/rubble/pethair from the airways and it's still good at least 5 years later.

Maybe, when they've saturated the domestic market, they'll produce a diecast Alloy one to compete with the American" Kirby" good solid cleaner but the sales-setup means commission agents really rip off the punters for price.

Cornish Jack
6th Feb 2013, 17:13
So, these things are installed in Frinton, eh?
Seems reasonable ... what was the old saw? - Harwich for the Continent, Frinton for the incontinent!!;):E

gingernut
6th Feb 2013, 22:40
It's amazing what you can pick up from the tip, got a load of paper carrier bags worth about £20.

Talking to one of the "operatives" the other day, pointed out they all had tow bars, and reckoned they all had massive e bay accounts- he didn't disagree:)

Love me Dyson, last one blew up when I sucked up some ash.

Bought a new motor, and that blew up when I sucked up some more ash. Bought a new one (Well actually a refurbished one from honest Len in Farnworth, £100), and it's great. Brush the ash up now.

500N
6th Feb 2013, 23:11
Question for those who have had them.

Why do they "The faintest sniff of brick or coal dust and they keel over."

And the post above this where sucking up ash also caused a meltdown.

G-CPTN
6th Feb 2013, 23:26
Why do they "The faintest sniff of brick or coal dust and they keel over."
And the post above this where sucking up ash also caused a meltdown.
Never had one, but maybe the dust is passing through the motor and accumulating around the moving parts and reducing the clearances (rather than being retained in the filters).

I've already regaled the story of a mate of mine who used his mother's cylinder Electrolux to evacuate petrol fumes from a fuel tank before brazing. The vapour ignited when it reached the (electrical) brushes on the commutator at the back of the motor and it became a jet-propelled Electrolux.

Maybe the fine abrasive dust was just too much for the Dyson. I have used vacuum machines (not Dysons) for cleaning up after sanding down plastering, and the internal contamination was extensive.

rmcb
7th Feb 2013, 01:04
G-CPTN - the effect of abrasive dust on the fine plastic nozzles in the 'vortex genrators' seems to be devastating. Think Eyjafjallajökull, just don't try saying it! That leads to mechanical failure, causing the domestic help to bin it 'cos he no work no more'.

The effect of abrasive dust on the shiny acrylic cylinder leads to aesthtetic meltdown; yummy mums seem to think that if your vacuum cleaner looks used, you must have used it therefore your house is dirty. The logic that the dust being in the cleaner therefore not in your house escapes these morons.

I actually know someone who parks her Dyson in the cloakroom so guests see it when hanging their coats etc. I was almost banned when I suggested she should have servants taking coats - her guests would no longer have to demean themselves to see the backstairs function. These are some of the silly arses who buy this overengineered tosh. There are others who are exceedingly canny and get theirs for free!

parabellum
7th Feb 2013, 01:50
Our Miele hoover is not flashy or high tech, but does the job admirably.


Miele - best we have ever had, now in its eleventh year and coped well with all the plaster dust from a fairly substantial extension too. Haven't tried a Dyson, probably won't now!

gingernut
7th Feb 2013, 06:49
Why do they "The faintest sniff of brick or coal dust and they keel over.

I think the filtering system on the earlier models are sh^te. The ash/dust seems to end up in the motor brushes.

We've got an old bulky "vax" which has a thicker sponge filter, which clogs quickly when used with ash, but seems to protect the motor. The vax though is generally cr*p.

beaufort1
7th Feb 2013, 08:28
Having owned Newfoundland dogs over the years vacuum cleaners have been a bit of a trial. The best was probably an American Kirby but it was absurdly expensive. We had that for a good number of years and it survived dog hair and several extensive building extension projects. We tried a Dyson (the supposed pet hair specialist one) it lasted less than a couple of months.
We were then recommended to try a German manufactured Sebo Felix, they are fairly inexpensive and we are on our second one after the first one was 'feeling' a bit tired after a few years. Owning Newfoundlands really tests a vacuum cleaner's mettle, and we will be buying another one when this current one gives up the ghost. :8

Keef
7th Feb 2013, 10:19
We had two Dysons: one a very early model, which worked well and kept going. The second (for the weekend retreat) looked the same but wasn't to the same quality and packed up after a couple of years.

Eventually the old one died as well. I don't do "parts replacement" on mucky things like vacuum cleaners, so bought a Sebo. M reckons it's the best "hoover" she's ever had. We tried a Henry, but she doesn't like them.

My job is the heavy-duty cleaning with the Vax wet & dry. That's extremely old and still going strong.

Bally Heck
7th Feb 2013, 10:41
Whats wrong with a broom? Mine is 40 years old and the only maintenance it has had is 14 new shafts and 20 new heads.

airship
7th Feb 2013, 11:25
Mine is 40 years old and the only maintenance it has had is 14 new shafts and 20 new heads. Mine is 52 years old and whilst it gets less maintenance today than it once did, still has the original shaft and head...

vulcanised
7th Feb 2013, 11:48
Also have an elderly wet & dry Vax (age about 25yrs) here.

The reusable bag is beginning to show signs of fatigue.........

airship
7th Feb 2013, 11:59
Some of these links may be useful concerning "reusable bags"...

Kegel exercise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kegel_exercise)

Vaginoplasty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaginoplasty)

Unsure if that's what you were referring to...

vulcanised
7th Feb 2013, 12:20
I just knew someone would pick up on that !

Didn't expect it to be you, though :D

airship
7th Feb 2013, 12:46
Yuh well, saw Slasher was currently online too, decided to try to beat him to the obvious. But I'm sure he could better it by a factor of 10² at least... :ok: