Big change at Thomas Cook

[Theroyals]

Rumours in the industry are saying that Thomas Cook are about to impose large cuts to the pay and conditions of its pilot and Cabin Crew workforce. This in addition to already announced substantial redundancies and demotions.
It seems that the company may have withdrawn from discussions with the Pilot union Balpa.
Indeed there is belief that the company may actually close down the UK airline entirely and buy capacity on other carriers and thus divest itself of the costs of owning its own airline.
This could well be one of the main cost cutting strands of Group Chief Executive Officer Harriet Green. Indeed Christoph Debus Group Head of Air Travel in a communication with the Cabin Crew union over a reduction in their conditions said "If our in-house airlines cannot offer air travel at competitive rates then I will source that air travel elsewhere"
It remains to be seen whether there is truth to these rumours and what the workers response will be.

[fantom]

TCX people were waiting for the letter today; it didn't come.

Response to the rumoured proposals? What do you think?

[Flaperon75]

So what is the letter going to say.....? Someone must have had a sneak preview...

[Funderblaster]

If they close down the airline where are they going to find the hundreds of thousands of seats ?! £40million plus revenue from the cabin ?!
Not going to happen !

[puma230]

The out sourcing to Ezy may have pointed them in that direction....I hope not.

[Too Few Stripes]

Sounds like they're playing hardball to attempt a watering down of the existing t&c's. the big question is will the workforce accept it for long term job security or fight for short term gain?

[schooner]

You make it sound like decent T's and C's and job security are mutually exclusive? The airline and pilot workforce were not the reason why the tour operator got in trouble and handing a few concessions to the management will not make a jot of difference to the survival or otherwise of the group. And I hardly call holding on to what we already have as short term gain, do you?

[NAT Zulu]

....because management know that winning industrial "negotiations" is a given these days when Balpa are representing the other side.

Flight crew t's and c's are easy meat that yield high cost savings with very little time wasted on brinkmanship. Tell Balpa that the airline is struggling in these hard times and they roll over in fear that their pension pot won't be topped up by subs of potentially redundant pilots.

Result = management productivity bonus + balpa final salary pension demise averted. Phew!

[Bigbus330]

Join the PPU, make a difference and stop the rot!

[fantom]

Join the PPU, make a difference and stop the rot!

I'm not so sure that would work. If you knew the individuals who tire endlessly on behalf TCX pilots...wonderful people.

[Easy Glider]

Maybe, but you don't know the guys behind the PPU!! First rate people I can assure you with a very proven track record.

[Boeingman]

It would be really helpful if you could give some good examples of their proven track record?

[Easy Glider]

Well at least some of them were responsible our inflation busting pay uplift of 2003.

[Boeingman]

I was really looking for something a little more recent?

[Easy Glider]

Not exactly sure what you are after. A number of these guys served on various VACC's and achieved some good to excellent results. They have been inactive, from a union point of view, to now. Realizing that BALPA is, or at least has become a dinosaur of an outfit interested far more in feathering their own nests and looking after their very handsome gold-plated pension schemes rather than acting in their members best interests, they felt that change was needed. This change comes in the form of the PPU.

Will this work? time will tell. I know the people involved and under their leadership it has as much chance as any other and more than most. Guess we will have to wait and see.

[gorter]

Only a couple of problems.

A)TCX pilots can't join the ppu yet.
B) PPU isn't recognised at TCX so can't negotiate.
C) PPU won't even attempt to intervene until they have 75% membership.

Apart from that....

Oh and I don't fancy my legal advice coming from a call centre in Cyprus.

[Flaperon75]

Assuming the postman delivered some of these letters today, was the news as bad as expected? An update from the OP (or any other TCX pilot) would be appreciated. This kind of T&C's "rewrite" is just not acceptable and could effect us all in the long run. Hope Balpa is going to show some backbone here and stand up to TCX.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you that it's not as bad as predicted.:uhoh:

[fireflybob]

I don't claim to be an expert but worked for one Uk Company long ago where they tore up the old contract and "offered" the pilots a new one - we had little choice but to accept or leave!

[fantom]

it's not as bad as predicted

No, I guess it could have been much worse.

I don't think I'm giving any 'sensitive commercial information' away by writing nibble, nibble, nibble at Ts and Cs.

The crews just do not deserve it.

[frozenpilot]

Put together what the atrocious management have already taken and are now proposing to take, the erosion of terms is significant! It won't look too great for any new joiners when they recruit ( if ever)

[reliant robin]

Wouldn't surprise me at all if Thomas Cook were looking for crews in the not too distant future.

As long as you're prepared to work for much reduced terms and conditions and take a regular bat up the @rse, they'll let you work for them. And work you will. Check the summer roster pattern before applying.

As I'm typing, a banner ad at the the top of the page advertises IAGO CCQ 320 to 330 including line training, ETOPS and EASA. Thomas Cook must think they've struck gold. Pilots prepared to pay to fly for them. Doesn't get any better does it? Sadly, Thomas Cook management were not bright enough to think this up for themselves. Mr o'Leary had that one sewn up years ago. They're catching up quick though...

[Runcorn Bridge]

Just heard you guys have been given a new COO called Cor Vrieswijk. As someone working for an orange airline his name sends shivers down my spine.

The best of luck with the changes.


Thomas Cook shakes up airline business | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/05/us-thomascook-idUSBRE9140IG20130205)

[HundredPercentPlease]

That's bad.

Has anyone still got the wii game graphic that was doing the rounds just before our collective pressure hoofed him out?

[ReallyAnnoyed]

Remember Cor's words when you start dealing with him in TC: "If I wanted loyalty, I would have bought a dog."

[Runcorn Bridge]

Absolutely right. He was saying that loyalty was costing the orange outfit money. His relationship with the Pilot community was at best frosty. ask Transavia pilots what they thought of him too.

[Stone Cold II]

Think he lasted 2 weeks at Air Malta. Those of you who think TC will recruit pilots I doubt it with Cor. He likes bare numbers to the point where the schedule can't be crewed.

Good luck you will need it.

[reliant robin]

If he crews for summer with less than Thomas Cooks historically laughable numbers, he may be in for a shock.

Maybe he hasn't seen the cost of subs for last summer
And the one before
Oh yes, and all the years before that.

Good luck to him.

[spider_man]

The world's oldest travel group said on Tuesday that Condor, its German airline brand, Thomas Cook Airlines UK and Thomas Cook Airlines Belgium would become one airline segment

What does this mean in practical terms? No more UK AOC?

[veetwo]

That is utterly terrible news for Thomas Cook employees. He's the kind of guy who won't hold the door open for you if you're walking 2 meters behind him.

Good luck, you'll need it.

[Brakes to Park]

His arrogance is exceeded only by his incompetence.

[puma230]

Remember his and A H's cost savings that cost the company £35-50M depending on who you talk to!

[MaximumPete]

He reminds me of someone I used to work for! No prizes for guessing.

Good luck guys/gals, it sounds as though you'll need it

[Hans Modrow]

Cor is on board now??
My condolences to all TC crews :(

[Hahn]

Poor guys. Jump ship as long as you can!

[fivecandles]

God help you all.

[Iver]

3-4 biggish airlines in the Gulf are hiring! EK would clearly be the best choice in the region.

Good luck to all!