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gingernut
29th Jan 2013, 21:27
Something tells me he shouldn't have nicked the bikes in the first place.

BBC News - Government to challenge Court of Appeal ruling on criminal records (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21245308)

Lonewolf_50
29th Jan 2013, 21:29
In the US, juvenile records are sealed.

Interesting to see how things differ across the pond.

Agree, he should never have nicked the bikes.

G-CPTN
29th Jan 2013, 21:37
No, he should have ensured that he wasn't caught .

racedo
29th Jan 2013, 21:38
I think records should be sealed at 16 unless individual becomes involved in further offences.

Anything sexual / armed robbery / serious assault should be excluded from that sealing.

Personally would not have a problem recruiting someone who was involved in something at 11 if at 22 they not involved in anything since.

Who hasn't done something stupid when young and can often be the action of Police officer in deciding whether to make something small become very large.

gingernut
29th Jan 2013, 21:41
Personally would not have a problem recruiting someone who was involved in something at 11 if at 22 they not involved in anything since.

Would you want him looking after your kids?

G-CPTN
29th Jan 2013, 21:47
As I understood, his mother accepted a caution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_caution) on behalf of her young boy (who had no understanding of the significance).

I'm not sure that I would understand the significance . . .

(that the option not to be prosecuted would have repercussions later in life, especially as it becomes 'spent' immediately afterwards).

racedo
29th Jan 2013, 22:19
Would you want him looking after your kids?

Define in what capacity ?

Babysitter.............always female and always daughter of friends, know how they bring up their kids so know what they are like. They step out of line its parents they answer to not us.

Teacher................have no control as that is school which makes the recruitment decision.

Police...........would it make any difference ? Only diff sometime between police and crimimals sometimes is that one gets a pension and uniform.

gingernut
29th Jan 2013, 23:57
Define in what capacity ?

Safely.


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lomapaseo
30th Jan 2013, 00:35
I think records should be sealed at 16 unless individual becomes involved in further offences.

Anything sexual / armed robbery / serious assault should be excluded from that sealing.



So when I was 13 and my neighbor Mary Jane Rottencrotch played Doctor and nurses that should have been in the published records?

racedo
30th Jan 2013, 19:17
So when I was 13 and my neighbor Mary Jane Rottencrotch played Doctor and nurses that should have been in the published records?

What was the verdict from the Court ? and what did the Police record ?

rgbrock1
30th Jan 2013, 19:20
loma wrote:

So when I was 13 and my neighbor Mary Jane Rottencrotch played Doctor and nurses that should have been in the published records?

I hope to dear god, loma, that your neighbor Mary Jane Rottencrotch wasn't playing the role of Proctologist. :eek::eek::eek:

For your sake anyway.

vulcanised
30th Jan 2013, 19:45
Reminds me of the headline I read a couple of days ago "Boy. 11 raped 6 year old girl".

Suppose they will say he's too young to prosecute.

Fareastdriver
30th Jan 2013, 19:50
I hope that lomapaseo never becomes rich and famous otherwise little Mary Jane may be consulting some litigation lawyers.

Lonewolf_50
30th Jan 2013, 21:55
I hope to dear god, loma, that your neighbor Mary Jane Rottencrotch wasn't
playing the role of Proctologist. http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/eek.gif
At that age, her fingers might be small enough that it wouldn't hurth that much ... :}

arcniz
30th Jan 2013, 22:22
Good Judgement comes from Experience,

And Experience comes from ...

con-pilot
30th Jan 2013, 23:04
And Experience comes from ...

...err, a lot of luck? :\




"I'd rather be lucky than good." Worked for me for over 41 years. :p

arcniz
31st Jan 2013, 01:17
con-pilot says:
"I'd rather be lucky than good." Worked for me for over 41 years.

Am highly inclined to side with that!

The dividing line might lie right near where "...want to be lucky" turns to "...need to be lucky."

Is good to understand the difference, less-so to unexpectedly realize it.