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Paishinel
24th Jan 2013, 22:58
From Yahoo Travel News

News & Opinions

The 10 most dangerous airlines


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5. Korean Air

Nine hull losses; 687 dead
Jan 24, 2013

Do they really deserve this? What about Air France?

ZFT
24th Jan 2013, 23:30
What absolute rubbish. So pleased to know I'm risking my life on the 3rd most dangerous almost every week.

doubleu-anker
25th Jan 2013, 00:32
"let who is without sin, caste the first stone"

This list reeks of hypocrisy. The list was from yahoo NZ. Well ANZ have busted up more than one hull, for starters.

I also notice AF aren't on the list. Oh hang on, the French are the new master race of Europe.

captjns
25th Jan 2013, 00:50
Two lads pawning themselves off as journos

J.A.C.D.E.C. - Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Centre (http://www.jacdec.de/)


http://www.jacdec.de/aboutus/JACDEC-Kundeninformationen_EN.pdf

But look at the source... Yahoo:}

Yep... right up there with CNN and BBC:ok:

Gotta hand it to them. Article on a travel page... Attract neophyte air travelers to purchase data on carriers. Perhaps it would be airlines to make an investment to review gathered statistics. Interesting to see the outcome.

Anti Skid On
25th Jan 2013, 00:59
Air NZ lost a DC10 with the Erebus disaster some 30 years ago; there was an A320 in their colours being flown by a German charter company prior to being handed back that was also lost, but not their fault.

I think one loss in over 30 years isn't a bad record.

EW73
25th Jan 2013, 01:33
Oh yeah...

"...there was an A320 in their colours being flown by a German charter company prior to being handed back that was also lost, but not their fault."

I never heard anything in the way of a cause for that crash, was there any investigation. Being an AB, I guess it must have been pilot error, as it always is with AB!

Can someone enlighten me here....

PLovett
25th Jan 2013, 02:29
EW73,

Try using a search engine. Not only was there an extensive thread on this forum but links to the official report. In a nutshell, the crew decided to do an airtest at low level, contrary to manufacturers guidelines, causing a loss of control.

Geragau
25th Jan 2013, 02:32
Guys, just don't get your knickers in knots! This article in yahoo nz travel page had the airlines listed in no particular order. It just happened that skywest was listed first, SAA was next and so on. I don't think they meant that skywest is the worst. Kindly note that it was " News & Opinions ":ok::ok:

DaveReidUK
25th Jan 2013, 06:41
Two lads pawning themselves off as journos

J.A.C.D.E.C. - Jet Airliner Crash Data Evaluation Centre (http://www.jacdec.de/)

You have to give them 10/10 for sheer effrontery, though:

"JACDEC specially developed for this purpose an index formula, which is called the "Jacdec Index", he is now a recognized benchmark for the industry."

Recognised benchmark? Yeah, right.

jabird
25th Jan 2013, 23:54
More like the Jack&*^ index!

I'm sure this list has done the rounds a few times before, what is the point of it anyway? There are so many reasons why an airline might incur a hull loss, and even that isn't always directly related to loss of life. Plenty of cases where even large aircraft have been written off (BA38, AF358) without fatality, but I think you could argue there were significant differences in crew handling of those two cases in particular.

Car insurers do their percentage of blame, has anyone come up with an index like that for airlines, and then multiplied by the RSK's actually flown, with each fatality divided by the number of years passed since it happened?

If our Jackass friends can do that, then fine, but I'm still more worried about the journey to the airport than the flight itself.

crewmeal
26th Jan 2013, 05:52
I'm sure the magazine 'Which' would do a good job on this topic. I would have thought if you were going to start a discussion like this look first at carriers that are banned flying into Europe because of their atrocious safety record.