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ORAC
24th Jan 2013, 13:07
Oil workers should be right at home in the desert. Who owns it? Is the government that owns subsurface resources in Oz, or the landowner?

Canadian pitch, US and European shale, Brazilian offshore, now Australia. So much for Peak Oil.....

Trillions of dollars worth of oil found in Australian outback (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9822955/Trillions-of-dollars-worth-of-oil-found-in-Australian-outback.html)

Up to 233 billion barrels of oil has been discovered in the Australian outback that could be worth trillions of dollars, in a find that could turn the region into a new Saudi Arabia.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 13:14
Don't get your hopes up.

Long way down and it one of the most inhospitable places
in Australia and a long long way from anywhere - so big $$$.

The general consensus from a few people who have worked
on rigs in that area is it is more hype than oil at the moment
and everything has to go right for it to occur.

Fracking in that area might also need Gov't approval because
of the water table (Great Artesian Basin) which they won't
want contaminated.

ORAC
24th Jan 2013, 13:33
More in accessible than the Alaskan North Slope or 6000ft down off Brazil or the Falklands? I don't think so. And oil is far, far below the aquifer level.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 13:38
Yes, valid points.

"And oil is far, far below the aquifer level."

OK, but we have a very big and growing anti fracking group
here and as soon as you mention the word fracking, the do gooder
greenies will be all over it. The vocal minority !!!

And they will conveniently ignore the fact that the "oil is far,
far below the aquifer level". Honest, they will, they lie all the
time to the media.


I hope it comes off :ok:

Flying Binghi
24th Jan 2013, 13:42
Heh, don't mention all the oil suspected to lay just off the Barrier reef - Bob Brown would go extra loopy..:)

rgbrock1
24th Jan 2013, 13:56
If this holds true and Australia becomes the new Saudi, or Iraq, or Libya.....

Hold on to your hats gents, it's time for a good ol' fashioned invasion - U.S. style. We're comin' to get ya. And kick all yer asses, take yer wimmin' and oil too.

ORAC
24th Jan 2013, 13:59
Hold on to your hats gents, it's time for a good ol' fashioned invasion - U.S. style. Naahh. China will just extend it's claimed territorial waters a bit more and claim prior ownership.

Best up your order for F-18s/F-35s and start thinking about a couple of carriers.

UK might have one going spare.....

sisemen
24th Jan 2013, 14:38
There's a nest of lesser blue-spotted dingbats just where they propose to drill (or there soon will be once the Greenies get wind of it).

gassed budgie
24th Jan 2013, 14:55
Best up your order for F-18s/F-35s and start thinking about a couple of carriers

It ain't gonna happen anytime soon. The Federal government has wasted/blown/pissed up against the wall tens of billions of dollars, on all sorts of left wing leaning, socialist trendy, tree hugging, green tinged, latte sipping, do gooder, vote buying bullshit program's, it's all got a bit like mother hubbards cupboard. They couldn't even get the MRRT up without managing to shaft themselves up the ass big time. Don't forget that this tax was personally negotiated by little Ms.Ogyny and our world champion treasurer (not). They were seen coming by the mining execs from ten mile out.
This lot couldn't organise a decent crap in a country shithouse.

sisemen
24th Jan 2013, 15:11
Mr Gassed - your presence is required on the "War in Australia" thread on account of your perspicacity and deep insights into the Australian political system. :ok:

AlpineSkier
24th Jan 2013, 15:15
rgb

when you write

[QUOTE]Hold on to your hats gents, it's time for a good ol' fashioned invasion - U.S. style. We're comin' to get ya. And kick all yer asses, take yer wimmin' and oil too.[/QUOTE

if by " ol' fashioned invasion - U.S. style " you mean beating people around the head with wads of hundred-dollar bills, I'm sure your invasion will be successful...and as for the wimmin ;)

Slfsfu
24th Jan 2013, 15:17
Steady on folks (or “cobbers” should you prefer) there’s only one way to establish oil is present – that’s with the drill bit.

I didn’t actually read and any reference to a “discovery”, in this or other articles that I checked. Just a reference to “consultant’s reports”

Linc w/site states (for these licences)
“Over the next five years Linc Energy will conduct over 1,000 kilometres of 2D seismic and drill four to six wells.”

Much work to be done yet – at present I think it’s just “moose pasture”.

However, I wish them luck

sisemen
24th Jan 2013, 15:24
If you can get a moose to survive out there then I wish YOU luck :E

Slfsfu
24th Jan 2013, 15:36
I accept there might be a better expression for this particular area of "down under" but it's the commonly used expression for unproven acreage.

If you wish, I guess you could always refer to it as a "Barbie Free Zone":*

ORAC
24th Jan 2013, 16:13
I accept there might be a better expression for this particular area of "down under" I was lead to believe that aircrew referred to it as "Entering the GAFA (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GAFA)"....

Slfsfu
24th Jan 2013, 16:19
Tks ORAC - one lives and learns, even when at (how shall I put it) a "respectable" age:(

Just hope Linc don't establish it as a fact:sad:

radeng
24th Jan 2013, 16:20
It will NEVER ba a new saudi! Ozzies give up beer???? No way!

Buster Hyman
24th Jan 2013, 18:16
Plenty of oil barrels in Snowtown...

Anyway, seeing that we're closing our refineries, we'll end up exporting the crude & re importing it at the current prices.

Temp Spike
24th Jan 2013, 18:20
BH that's for a better profit margin. You're not against profit are you?

500N
24th Jan 2013, 18:29
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"Hold on to your hats gents, it's time for a good ol' fashioned invasion - U.S. style."

Er, bit latem our Prime Minister has already let you in - US Marines, soon to be all sorts of lovely planes. Oh, and don't forget the US / Aust Spy base a few kms north of where the oil is ?



Buster
"Plenty of oil barrels in Snowtown..." :D


siseman
"There's a nest of lesser blue-spotted dingbats just where they propose to drill (or there soon will be once the Greenies get wind of it)."

Oh how true is that ? :ok:

And don't forget to add the very sacred aboriginal ground right where
the drill holes are going to be located:O

pigboat
24th Jan 2013, 18:30
Is the oil underneath a Sacred Site? :E

rgbrock1
24th Jan 2013, 18:31
That's why the jarheads are there, 500N: sniff out the oil!!!!

<it's what they do best. Give 'em credit for something!!!>

500N
24th Jan 2013, 18:39
For those who don't know, GAFA as referred to in a post above
is the Great Australia Fcuk All.

And full of bull dust, a fine powdery dust that is hard to drive through :O

racedo
24th Jan 2013, 19:26
Hold on to your hats gents, it's time for a good ol' fashioned invasion - U.S. style. We're comin' to get ya. And kick all yer asses, take yer wimmin' and oil too.

Invade Sydney during Gay Pride week and you will never get off the beaches, well maybe only as far as the bars and fashion shops ........................not that anyboy would suggest any innuendo on US Forces

Temp Spike
24th Jan 2013, 19:30
Oh christ save us.

BenThere
24th Jan 2013, 19:44
It will NEVER ba a new saudi! Ozzies give up beer???? No way!

So why do Ozzies allow the government tax the crap out of everything anyone likes? You've got to make your own beer if you're an average worker or you can't afford it. Isn't it close to $50 a slab (case) at the local drive through for the everyday stuff? Here in Michigan I pay $30 or less for 24 of the finest hand-crafted most excellent brews. And Michigan is a Blue State!

And cigarettes - $15 a pack? I thought the $50 they get here for a carton of 10 packs was outrageous, even though I don't buy them anymore.

I've got a great idea. Let's all tax the crap out of tofu, quinoa, reality TV, and solar power and see how they like it.

By the way, I was part of an invading USAF contingent to Darwin in 1994. I plucked the finest woman on the happy continent, imported her to the states, and have kept her ever since. Nothing new here.

rgbrock1
24th Jan 2013, 19:52
BenThere:

I guess I'm moving to Michigan then.

I cannot get a case of beer anywhere in either NY or CT for less than $40. Unless I want to drink swill, which I will not.

Cigarettes are $120/carton in NY and $90/carton in CT.

I've gotten around that by making my own cigarettes which I do to the tune of about $1.25/pack or $12.50/carton.

I won't even go into the costs of other alcoholic beverages in this area.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 20:13
Ben There.

Their is beer, and their is the liquid you guys drink in the US
that you call beer but is watered down compared to an Aussie Beer :O

No, I agree with you, the Gov't here taxes everything :O

Lonewolf_50
24th Jan 2013, 20:36
Where does one get the water and mud necessary to recover the oil in that grand open space, should the exploration drilling confirm the suspected reserves? :confused:

BenThere
24th Jan 2013, 20:40
That's why we have engineers, to figure that stuff out.

TURIN
24th Jan 2013, 20:41
Not having that!
Fosters, xxxx? Pish!

Washington State has some of the best beer I've tasted anywhere.
You can keep yer mass produced ice cold "amber nectar".
Microbrewers all the way for me.

(I suppose a Toohies is ok on the beach if am desperate.)




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500N
24th Jan 2013, 20:44
From the Great_Artesian_Basin

Great Artesian Basin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Artesian_Basin)



However, the Gov't (and Greenies but they oppose everything)
do not like ANYTHING that could possibly stuff up the GAB.

So it is not a dead set given that they would be allowed to pull
water out.

Mud - plenty of mud around, it just hardly ever rains out there :O

And whether it is the right kind of mud, who knows ????


great artesian basin - Google Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en-AU&source=hp&q=great+artesian+basin&gbv=2&oq=great+artes&gs_l=heirloom-hp.1.0.0l10.746.3831.0.8045.11.9.0.0.0.0.333.1866.3j1j2j3.9. 0...0.0...1c.1.-lNoUrY1ruE)


The other thing is, salt and sulphur in water can be a big problem.
Not sure how that affects fracking and the oil.

Temp Spike
24th Jan 2013, 21:22
Agreed. There is no "good" American beer. It's all swill IMO. However Aus cannot even come close to German, Chek, and Austrian beer. Not even within in the same universe.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 21:27
I don't drink beer so it doesn't worry me !!!

But yes, I have been told that compared to German beer,
even we are not close !!!



How you guys can pay close to $40 for Bud !!!
It's mostly water !!!

Saltie
24th Jan 2013, 21:33
Didn't they "discover" ... "the largest artesian water catchment area in the world, sufficient to supply Australia's needs for a hundred of more years" in the very same area a couple of years ago?

How quiet has that claim gone in the years since that announcement?

This is just the coal seam gas industry testing the mettle of the very few coal seam gas opponents among our politicians to see how committed they really are to keeping Australia free of CSG. The wild claims of boundless wealth and cheap energy on tap will disappear into oblivion, just as the water claim has. Until the next "amazing"... "discovery".

racedo
24th Jan 2013, 21:34
How you guys can pay close to $40 for Bud !!!
It's mostly water !!!

Drinking Bud is like making love in a canoe.......

Temp Spike
24th Jan 2013, 21:36
Yeah, the Mississippi river mud bottoms.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 21:43
Saltie

The Great Artesian basin has been known of for years, the problem
was the water level - I believe - was shrinking / dropping.

But then again we had had a drought for 10 years !


If someone makes an announcement about something now,
you need to look behind it to work out who, what, why
and follow the money :O Their is always an agenda behind it.

Me cynical ? Yes !

Temp Spike
24th Jan 2013, 21:48
Money? Yeah the thiner the beer the bigger the profit.

Worrals in the wilds
24th Jan 2013, 22:36
I reckon Saltie and 500N are on the money. :suspect:
Plenty of oil barrels in Snowtown...
Remember when an entrepeneurial type down there produced a bunch of stickers and other merchandise that read 'come to Snowtown, it's a barrel of laughs'!:E IIRC a few people got pretty upset.

racedo
24th Jan 2013, 22:40
Yeah, the Mississippi river mud bottoms.

Nah, F:mad:g close to water.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 22:43
Some did get offended.


For those that don't know, the Snowtown murders in Australia
occurred in an out of the way town and involved a couple of
guys killing people and stuffing them in 44 gallon drums of
I think acid.

CoodaShooda
24th Jan 2013, 22:52
it just hardly ever rains out there

It's been generally accepted since the mid-80's that climate change will see significant increases in rainfall in Central Australia - to the extent of it becoming a veritable bread basket for Asia. :E

The mud, she is coming.

500N
24th Jan 2013, 22:59
Cooda

That is funny, considering the drought started around the early 80's
and lasted a long time, at least 10 years.

So where is all this rain ?

Fubaar
24th Jan 2013, 23:34
The Great Artesian basin has been known of for years, the problem
was the water level - I believe - was shrinking / dropping.

500N, I don't think Saltie was referring to the Great Artesian Basin, (which we were taught about in school, many, many years ago), but a new discovery of supposedly huge underground water supplies in the Nullabor only five or so years ago.

Of which, (dare I say 'of course'), we haven't heard a word since. I think it and the "trillions of dollars worth of oil" under the Australian desert are a bit like the Burmese Spitfires.

So where is all this rain ?In the last 12 months or so, the area to the north east has received so much rain that the usually dry lakes are full and the wildlife and flora in the area now are amazing to see. The fact that water is in the lakes should actually generate rain in the years ahead, giving credence to calls that have been around for many years to somehow flood the lakes, possibly with sea water, (they're quite a bit below sea level, and already salty), in the hope of (gasp! wait for it...) changing the climate in the area.

Of course, this will never happen, for to do so would endanger the habitat of the last remaining family of speckle-spotted, three-toed midges known to still exist.


Meanwhile, just heard on the ABC news that another asylum seeker boat has been "intercepted" off Ashmore Reef.

Captain Dart
25th Jan 2013, 00:19
Further to Australia becoming the new Saudi, it wouldn't be such a bad thing.

The ever-increasing numbers of fat, badly-educated, badly spoken, aggressive Aussie battle-axes with backsides big enough for an aircraft carrier's angled deck would have to cover up or stay inside, and not speak unless spoken to.

Metro man
25th Jan 2013, 00:29
If the oil had been found in the Sydney suburb of Lakemba, nothing else would need to be done to change it into a Middle Eastern country.

sisemen
25th Jan 2013, 01:11
And don't forget to add the very sacred aboriginal ground right where
the drill holes are going to be located

Enough dollars/booze and you can drill wherever you like - the ancestors will be happy.

But the Greenies have principles. No matter how much you offer, the pink-eyed slimy bog rat will triumph. (Mind you, if you were to come up with a cave with hot and cold running tofu they might just be tempted)

Worrals in the wilds
25th Jan 2013, 01:42
Of which, (dare I say 'of course'), we haven't heard a word since.Depends on where you look. ;) If you mean nothing from the government then yes, your 'of course' applies.
Cave Diving Down Under - Cocklebiddy Cave Diving History (http://www.cavediving.net.au/index.php/history/82-cocklebiddy-history)


The ever-increasing numbers of fat, badly-educated, badly spoken, aggressive Aussie battle-axes with backsides big enough for an aircraft carrier's angled deck would have to cover up or stay inside, and not speak unless spoken to. And feral blokes who get stinking drunk in public, then abuse everyone around them would get carted off where they couldn't annoy and threaten others (particularly women, children and old people) on public transport and in other public areas.

EDIT: rereading the Cocklebiddy article, I notice they mention that the water is too high in salt for human consumption. All those Nullabor passages are supposed to be linked together (though only a few have been surveyed) so maybe all the underground water there is too salty to be useful? :confused:

500N
25th Jan 2013, 02:05
That's not exactly recent.

Hell, I knew about the diving caves in the 80's when I did my diving course.

And you have to remember that sometimes these caves / caverns
only fill up after rain, which can be a bit rare.

500N
25th Jan 2013, 02:07
Captain Dart and Worral

You are both right :ok: :O


Capt Dart - are you talking about the PM or the Sydney mayor
and that NSW pollie who is a greenie :O

410
25th Jan 2013, 03:02
Don't get me started on the Sydney mayor. Last night, I went to the Opera House (SSO doing the soundtrack background as '2001, a Space Odyssey' was filmed - great show). As we were traipsing back to the car park, at the head of the queue to the lift were a bloke on crutches and a bloke in a wheelchair, the young bloke in the wheelchair quite severely disabled, with trachie tube and mouth wand, if that's the right term).

The wheelchair guy had stopped to the left of the lift door (there was a wall immediately to the right) so as to let anyone getting out of the lift free passage, and the guy on crutches, along with a couple of women with him, was leaning against the wall opposite the lift door.

Until Clover and party come swanning in, deep in conversation, straight past the lot of them to plant themselves in front of the door, totally oblivious to the daggers aimed at their backs from the mere mortals. The guy on crutches couldn't restrain himself and (way more politely than was warranted), said something along the lines of "ladies and gentlemen, the gentleman in the wheel chair was at the head of the queue. I would ask you to let him into the lift first." Clover and co did - but then stepped in to the lift ahead of the guy on crutches.

Do these people THINK? Surely to God as public figures, they're aware that behaviour like they displayed last night does not go unremarked?

Worrals in the wilds
25th Jan 2013, 03:06
That's not exactly recent.Sure, but nor is it a state secret. I just think it's possible that the reason no-one's heard much in the popular press about the Nullabor aquifier is that it's neither profitable nor very interesting (especially if it's salty).

410, that's vile :yuk:. Have you contacted one of the Sydney papers? The story deserves a wider audience. And tell all your friends, family, people at work, etc., etc. :E

It's an extension of the aviation rule; behave like a prat on an aircraft or at an airport and you can be guaranteed that the whole town (or the whole country these days, thanks to the internet) will hear about it within a couple of days. Unethical? Probably, but it sure does discourage copycats...

500N
25th Jan 2013, 03:35
410

That's exactly what I would expect from her.

Do what Worral suggests "The story deserves a wider audience. "

We all think she just bullies everyone because she ha a very very good
PR machine.


Worral
As I have said before, "follow the money"
and conversely, if their is no money, no interest !

The caves in South Australia at Naracoorte have been well known
even longer.

Re SALT et al, most inland water has some salt in it and in
some areas to a very high level - as shown by all the salt
problems we have.

radeng
25th Jan 2013, 10:43
There IS a good American beer. From the North County San Diego brewery: it is named after me. It is called 'Arrogant Bastard'.

Flying Binghi
25th Jan 2013, 11:50
.


One oil field in Russia has more oil available then humans have used since the first oil well were drilled.

Then there's methane hydrates.

Well, ah used to be a peak oil believer...:ouch:





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Lonewolf_50
25th Jan 2013, 12:55
Sam Adams is pretty good American beer, even though I prefer the Shiner varieties (http://www.shiner.com)from the Spoezl brewery in Shiner, Texas.

They made a Czech pilsner a few years ago, 101, that I particularly emjoy.

Cacophonix
25th Jan 2013, 13:39
Methinks interior Aus needs good fresh water more than than it does fracking or even a Saudi oil type industry... but the lure of the oil dollar makes for madness as it does in SA for example....

Shale gas in South Africa: Fracking the Karoo | The Economist (http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2012/10/shale-gas-south-Africa)

Caco

Buster Hyman
25th Jan 2013, 14:16
I've said it before and I'll say it again... I'd like to see some studies into the effects of maintaining Lake Eyre permanently with Sea water. Ecologically, I reckon we'd see increased rainfall in Western NSW turning that into a potential food bowl. With the way the worlds population is going, food could become our next great export.

500N
25th Jan 2013, 16:35
Fubaar

You said the last 12 months.

He said since the mid 80's. It's now 2013.

Lake Eyre has actually filled twice in the last 10 years.


Buster
Their have been studies on filling Lake Eyre with sea water.
They are on the internet.

Also studies done on just how much effect having a large body of water
full has on the rainfall further east. From memory it is not much.

I think to an extent Lake Eyre has never been full long enough to really have a huge effect and get a pattern going.


Re rainfall in the centre, it only takes one cyclone off Northern WA
to then come inland and across the centre for the centre and the south east coast (ie Melbourne) to get a heap of rain. These events only occur occasionally but when they do they are great for the environment.


Fubaar
The last of the speckle-spotted, three-toed midges is alive and well:O
Seriously. filling Lake Eyre with sea water would DILUTE the lake,
not make it stronger.

During the draught, they were looking at filling the Coorong and the other lake near Adelaide with sea water.


All of that interior is worth going to see if any of you get a chance one day.
Always better after rain of course !!!

BenThere
25th Jan 2013, 16:52
Had thoughts of doing an Enduro motorcycle trek from Cairns to Perth when I retire. I could take a month or so to do it, with stops along the way to sample the ambrosia of Australian beer. Think it's a good idea?

I do have good survival skills, but not much acquaintance with the nuances of the Australian interior.

500N
25th Jan 2013, 17:01
BenThere

Getting out and seeing Australia yes.

Doing an enduro ? No

You can have as many survival skills as you like
but unless you have water, they are no use.
As has been tragically shown over the last couple
of years with a spate of deaths.


I'd travel Aust and do short term stuff on your bike.

You will get to see heaps more and in a more relaxed environment.

Andu
25th Jan 2013, 20:53
BenThere, I had Canadian visitors last year who hired a camper van - (I talked them out of buying one, their original plan) - and did 17,000km in 8 weeks, quite likely seeing more of outback Australia than 99% of Australians will in their whole lifetime. They got to every state except Western Australia and, apart from some rather shocked comments about Coober Pedy, (or was it the inhabitants? I can't remember :) ), they loved the whole experience. (And I must say, despite all that, missed out on seeing, in my opinion, some of the best of the country.)

I'd have to agree with 500N re doing it by bike. If you plan to do the trip by bike, make sure - and I mean MAKE SURE - you do it with at least two companions, by which I mean on three bikes. I bumped into four blokes a couple of years ago towards the end of their trip around Australia. They said they'd really enjoyed the trip, but (a) they were young and fit, and (b) they were serious bikers who knew their bikes well and could do more than average repairs. They said they'd had quite a few incidents along the way, some of which could have proven to be very serious if they hadn't known what they we doing.

As 500N says, we hear in the media all too often of European tourists who set off in one 4WD (the 'three vehicles' rule applies equally with cars if you're going to operate off road) and have a problem, don't follow the Outback rules of survival and die. The most often broken rule is thinking you can walk out. People just don't appreciate the distances nor how far you can go out in the Bush without seeing another soul.

Worrals in the wilds
25th Jan 2013, 21:06
Agree re the bike. Many outback highways are unfenced, so you get all manner of livestock, native and feral animals (up to and including camels) wandering around. They're enough of a menace if you're in a 4WD, let alone on a bike.

Personally I'd hire a 4WD with a bike trailer and pop your bike on the back. A trailer limits you a bit wrt really remote, sandy areas like the Simpson, but you should only be doing them in convoy anyway, and there are plenty of great places to see that are trailer accessible.

And hire or buy a satphone. They're not 100% foolproof, but damned better than nothing when you've come a cropper in the middle of the GAFA! :)

Slasher
25th Jan 2013, 21:08
People just don't appreciate the distances nor how far you can go out in the Bush without seeing another soul.


Indeed - the GAFA covers a lot of real estate....

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxwVnQqjJC1Spf2R6MpLzyUj_43zxJoSH2de38uMW bTWGdFo3LLw

500N
25th Jan 2013, 21:34
Ben There

Just to clarify, I meant go round Australia in a vehicle but take your bike
with you and do short term trips on it. You get the best of both worlds.

People travel / get around out there a lot more than they used to
but once off the beaten track, you don't see people.

My family - me teenager - drove Melbourne Cairns and Melbourne Darwin, each a 3 - 4 week trip in the 1980's in a Volvo. Now we were an outdoor family but unless prepared, I still wouldn't recommend people do it even with the better roads, more people and GPS etc.

Also, some of the places in the GAFA that I saw in the military and those two trips above - Woomera Rocket Range, Gibson Stoney Desert, Great Sandy Desert there really is eff all to see there so you need to plan ahead to actually get to the places with something of interest (unless you like looking at sabd dunes, flat desert etc - which I do as I like the harshness of the country but alot of others think it is boring which is fine but if you travel 2000kms to find where you are boring, it is a waste of time.


Re Livestock, as Worral said, it can be a problem. On a bike I would NOT travel at night, having hit or nearly hit in vehicles I have been in horses, cattle etc,

During the day travelling at speed on a bike, the bigger stuff like Cattle, Camels you are more likely to see before hand. Kangaroos, Wallaby's, Dingos etc are the things you are more likely to hit and you will come off 2nd best. They jump out in front of you and even if you miss them, the likelyhood is you will drop the bike in doing so or run off the road. In a car, fine, on a bike, not so !!!

Anyway, don't let us put you off, I strongly suggest you do it
as you will really enjoy it and the planning can be half the fun.

Also, because Australia is so big, you could effectively be in warm, dry, sunny weather the whole 12 months and avoid the cold, wet (south), or hot wet (north) period.

Andu
25th Jan 2013, 23:08
Oh, and if you decide to go ahead with the trip despite reading the comments above, whatever you do DON'T watch 'Wolf Creek' before you go.

I hear John Jarrett's making a sequel as we speak.

500N
25th Jan 2013, 23:31
Andu

That was my exact thought when I was typing on this thread but
decided not to put it in.:O


Ben There
The other things you have to watch out for are
- Drop bears - drop on you from the tree above and scratch and
tear at your face. A stinky, flea ridden creature.
- Bunyips - a creature that lurks in swamps, billabongs,
creeks, riverbeds, and waterholes and attack "jolly swagman"
at night. A jolly swagman is our version of a Gypsy who travel
with a rolled up bed (swag) on their back looking for work.
Not so common nowadays but was during the depression.
As a result, bunyips tend to target travellers who camp out in
the bush.
- snakes on the road - as you run over them they tend to whip
back at you
- Pythons - they can be big so hitting one that is the size
of your forearm is not good.
- Buffalo and wild scrub bulls - tend to charge first and ask questions later.
Not good to hit as they are very solid.
- Razorbacks - overly large wild boars that tend to eat meat as well as
roots. Known to kill sheep. Will charge humans but haven't heard of
anyone being eaten for a while.
http://www.nfsa.gov.au/site_media/uploads/images/2012/10/25/razorback009.jpg.300x1000_q85.jpg
This was is in Western Australia
http://david.farmnet.com.au/files/2008/10/bigbore.jpeg

Last but not least, dingos - I am sure you know or have heard of dingos attacking people, especially babies.

Hope that helps. Here are a couple of photos.
http://wallabydown.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/0214.jpg

http://4.bp.********.com/_lzzBqATe-8M/TOEYph4dv6I/AAAAAAAAHE0/znU5tP7YNLg/s1600/drop.jpeg

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/daily-morning-awesomeness-235.jpg?w=500&h=412

Loose rivets
26th Jan 2013, 00:23
. . . looking at filling the Coorong and . . .

This is one of Australia's problems. No self-respecting water would want to congregate in places with names like that.:p

Worrals in the wilds
26th Jan 2013, 00:34
There's a town called Wonglepong in SEQld :eek:.
And a suburb called Indooroopilly, which is pronounced Indrapilly but looks rather intimidating.

Every now and again you'll drive through a patch of the outback where every feature has a really depressing name, like Mount Hopeless, Dead Dog Creek and similar. I figure it's always a sign that by the time they got there the explorers who named them were a bit Over It:sad:.

500N
26th Jan 2013, 00:56
Worral

Do you want to explain to him about the min min lights
or should I ?

And yes, I have seen them :O

sisemen
26th Jan 2013, 01:33
There's SFA out there - that's why we call it "tiger country".

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c92/allan907/DSCF0006.jpg

hellsbrink
26th Jan 2013, 03:12
http://david.farmnet.com.au/files/2008/10/bigbore.jpeg


Oooh, breakfast

500N
26th Jan 2013, 03:13
That's the Aussie versaion of feeding the 5000 :O

Solid Rust Twotter
26th Jan 2013, 06:42
Ben There

My old mate Dave Barr is in your neck of the woods. Give him a call and ask him about the trip. He did the circumference of Oz unassisted back in the '90s, as well as one or two other trips.

DaveBarr.com (http://www.davebarr.com/)

Dave Barr’s Epic Motorcycle Journeys « Blackwater (http://blackwaterusa.com/dave-barrs-epic-motorcycle-journeys)

http://blackwaterusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Screen-Shot-2012-08-06-at-9.04.52-AM.png

ORAC
26th Jan 2013, 06:46
He did the circumference of Oz Like the Jewish navigator who circumcised the globe.....

Solid Rust Twotter
26th Jan 2013, 07:12
In Dave's case, I think the mohel missed the point somewhat, Mr ORAC...:ooh:

alisoncc
26th Jan 2013, 09:48
500N you need to add to the list:

What look like logs on the road at night around Cairns are quite likely to be Salties out for a stroll. Salties - salt water crocodiles. There were warnings about couple of them at Caravonica just down from the Barron Falls in '95.

When driving between Townsville and Rocky at night during the cooler times of the year, wallabies and kangaroos congregate on the bitumin roads which are warmer from the absorbed heat of the day. Zapping along at 110 kms around a bend to find the whole road populated is not good.

500N
26th Jan 2013, 09:52
Good point, I forgot about the crocs. Happens in the NT as well
but not nearly as often. I would not like to hit a croc !

Jack Ranga
26th Jan 2013, 10:27
You lot that depend overpriced (taxed) Australian swill beer need to get out a little more. Like everything else we used to do well, we've lost the art of, been overtaken and sold off.

The best beer? The USA :ok: Sierra Nevada, rockin'

Slasher
26th Jan 2013, 10:37
I would not like to hit a croc !

I don't think croc lovers will particularly like visiting the Wal-Mart in Beijing then.....


http://farm1.staticflickr.com/49/114527025_1bb5ad6658.jpg


http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2010/5/20/15/enhanced-buzz-25886-1274382159-2.jpg

david1300
26th Jan 2013, 12:08
Geez, you guys are a bunch of sooks:p. Have ever ridden a motorcycle any reasonable distance:confused:. Stop trying to scare our motorcycling visitors. Of course there are precautions to take, but was as true for me when we rode to Alaska, or though Arizona:ok:

@SRT - is Dave Barr really a mate of yours:eek:, or is that just a figure of speech? He has so much more credibility than these city-slicker wannabee 'adventurers' like Charlie Puking Boorman:\. He is one guy on my list that I would love to meet one day.

David1300. Iron Butt Association member no 21684
IBA - World's Toughest Motorcycle Riders (http://www.ironbutt.com/about/about.cfm)

Solid Rust Twotter
26th Jan 2013, 14:01
Check PMs, David.

BenThere
26th Jan 2013, 15:14
Now that I've gotten some nuance, I'm not going to do it unless accompanied by a group, led by a guide who does it for a living, and our group travelling according to a preplanned itinerary, accompanied by a truck with motorcycle spares and emergency supplies and equipment.

I used to own a Kawasaki KLR 650 that had nearly 400 miles of fuel range, handled like a dirt bike, and was 100% reliable over the entire time I owned it. I used to take it on 500 or so mile trips into the Nevada desert and camped out in old ghost towns or next to a remote hot spring. That's kind of what I was thinking. I met a guy who took the same bike model and travelled the length of South America to Pategonia and wrote a book about it.

Worrals in the wilds
26th Jan 2013, 19:27
Ben, that sounds like a great idea. :ok: Apart from safety, a good guide will know the best spots to visit.

One of the problems with remote travel in Oz is the lack of hot springs and other reliable water sources (though there's a bit of a surplus at the moment :\). Many of the lakes and rivers marked on maps are ephemeral, salty or not there anymore. There is water around if you know where to look, but the locations often change.

If you go to the Westprint maps website and sign up for their weekly email you'll find lots of good info about road tripping. It's primarily for caravaners :ooh: but there are good, up to date road info articles. They also do good maps :ok:.

500N, cool! I've never seen the Min Min lights; don't the boffins now think it's a type of mirage caused by headlights? I have seen mirages on the edge of the Simpson, and they're a bit freaky...

David, I'm not trying to be a party pooper, but without further details it's hard to know whether his plans are a good idea or not. I'm sure Ben knows what he's doing, but if you'd heard as many crazy plans from tourists as I have (the best was probably the German who was planning to bicycle around Arnhem Land for his first ever remote bike trip and first visit to Australia :eek:) you'd also be a bit cautious. ;)

There are plenty of places you can see safely on your own and I'm sure we've all got our favourite itineraries, but I just wanted to be sure he wasn't planning to motorbike across the Tanami or any other freaky idea like that.

500N
26th Jan 2013, 19:42
David
"Geez, you guys are a bunch of sooks:p"
:O:ok:
I have interacted with BenThere on here long enough to know that
he could see the funny side of "Stop trying to scare our motorcycling visitors."


Ben There
I think you have your head screwed on straight and will really enjoy whatever you decide to do.


Worral
"don't the boffins now think it's a type of mirage caused by headlights? I have seen mirages on the edge of the Simpson, and they're a bit freaky..."

Although they could be balls of gas, I agree with you / the boffins,
headlights / lights over a long distance. A spotlighter (a guy shooting from a vehicle at night with a spotlight on the roof) looks similar at a distance when travelling over rough ground.

500N
26th Jan 2013, 19:43
Slasher

Cool photo :ok:

BTW, wild Croc is nice to eat !

SASless
26th Jan 2013, 21:11
I plucked the finest woman on the happy continent, imported her to the states, and have kept her ever since. Nothing new here.


The Missus peeking over your Shoulder again BT?

Solid Rust Twotter
27th Jan 2013, 05:15
Probably bringing him a cold tinny and a roast beef sandwich, the lucky sod.

ORAC
27th Jan 2013, 08:23
Speaking about crocs on the road......

15,000 crocodiles escape from South African farm - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/9823009/15000-crocodiles-escape-from-South-African-farm.html)

Solid Rust Twotter
27th Jan 2013, 09:10
When Mad Bob got in during the early '80s in then Rhodesia, a number of folks saw the shitstorm approaching and moved on, among them croc farmers around Lake Kariba. Rather than slaughter everything, they just turned them loose and left for greener pastures. At one stage you could almost run across the lake on the backs of all the crocs if you were quick, a la iJamesi Bondi nikisi nikisi seven.

It made tiger fishing and swimming in the lake a real adventure. Quite a bowel loosening thing to be floating in the swimming cage with a cold beer clutched in your sweaty paw and see 15' of grinning death come sailing past giving you the ol' hairy eyeball at a range of around 10'.:ooh:

500N
27th Jan 2013, 09:25
Going back to the Wal Mart photo of the crocs,
what is the "animal" or "fish" next to the crocs ?

Worrals in the wilds
27th Jan 2013, 09:43
Good point :uhoh:.

One of my less travelled rellies went to Shanghai for a work trip, decided to be brave and try a 'locals' restaurant with her partner. The staff were really friendly but didn't speak a word of English or have an English menu (not that she expected one). They picked a dish at random and when it came, were a bit :confused: about what the meat was. It was kind of fishy but not quite, a bit greasy but indefineable so they were thinking 'it's not croc, but maybe something similar...' It was then that the waitress proudly brought them the English menu they'd found out the back.

Stewed Toad. Yummo...:E:}

Solid Rust Twotter
27th Jan 2013, 10:59
500N

Horseshoe crab by the look of it.

500N
27th Jan 2013, 11:03
Thanks.

I knew I had seen it before, just couldn't think of it.

Delaware Bay, wading birds feed on the eggs that are mass produced.

reynoldsno1
28th Jan 2013, 00:02
They got to every state except Western Australia
... and WA is about half a continent... a relly of mine just moved 'up the coast a bit' from Perth to Karratha, that's a 1000 miles ...

500N
28th Jan 2013, 00:06
WA is also the size of half of the main part of the USA !!!

People do lose sight of the fact just how big Australia is.