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15th Jan 2013, 20:46
Now I like the odd flutter here and there and probably lose Ģ1-200 a year but thats in fun and never interested in doing it other than that.

However one can't help noticing that more and more online sites for Poker and everything else are advertising everywhere.

Have an odd punt in fun is ok but is it now starting to get to a stage where the online Gambling is getting out of control with people addicted to the next bet in the hope it will be the big one ?

15th Jan 2013, 20:53
Some people are addicted lotteries....which is just another tax imposed on the stupid by the government....


Milo Minderbinder
15th Jan 2013, 21:44
every computer that I've been asked to look at that had online gambling software installed, was heavily infested with trojans and keyloggers.
Most were so bad that I wiped and reloaded them.

I never definitively found the source of the infections, so I don't know for sure if the infections were due to the software, or whether online gamblers happen to be more risk taking in their internet habits. However, it is my belief that in most of the cases the infections were planted by those the gamblers were competing against (e.g. in online poker) and were being used to (a) see his cards in real time and (b) allow collusion between players

Online gambling is an insecure corrupt con. The only question is whether the con is by the companies providing the service, or groups of conspiring players

15th Jan 2013, 21:47
I regularly bet on the horses and indeed I have been having rather a good run of it lately. Reversing the usual one way traffic. It won't last.:{

But I despise the casino stuff and the poker. I particularly dislike the bingo online. Every now and then my online bookie gives me a bonus intended to encourage me to have a go at their silly games. I invariably put it on red or black on their roulette game.

There are people who make money from playing poker. But those are the rare ones.

Those online casino games are a racket.

Airborne Aircrew
15th Jan 2013, 22:57
I'm a high tech kind of chap - I've been the head of a large computer network for more than 20 years... I like a gamble when the game is right.

What I've never understood is how anyone can trust any game where you can't see the ball fall on a Roulette wheel or the card come from a shoe. The computer can show you what you want to see. It can equally, rip you silly.

Just sayin'

15th Jan 2013, 23:02
Men are gamblers by nature.

We define that by wondering whether the women we love will remain faithful as we behave, well, like men...

Girls never really know what they want unless it is a good shag and a bloke they probably wouldn't go out with unless he had offered some kind of peace in gravitas...


16th Jan 2013, 01:11
Men are gamblers by nature.

I'll bet my next month's salary that you're wrong Caco! ;)

Effluent Man
16th Jan 2013, 09:35
I gamble occasionally,but always on football matches.The odds are always skewed in favour of unfashionable teams when they play the top sides and don't represent the actual odds.In the 2010 World Cup I got 7/4 against Germany to beat England and 9/4 against Brazil to beat Holland.

16th Jan 2013, 09:38
Glad you started this thread, reminded me to buy my lottery ticket!

16th Jan 2013, 09:56
I play the Euromillions Lotto, two lines (1 chosen, 1 lucky pick), and nothing else. Occasional small wins - enough to keep up the interest. One ticket over ten draws.
But I would generally describe myself as a non-gambler.

Having the ability to receive and watch UK television by satellite here, I have become increasingly alarmed when watching the commercial channels by how many of the shows are sponsored by the likes of "Foxy Bingo" and similar.
Then, during the ad-breaks, how many ads are for Sun Bingo, Mirror Bingo, Kitten Bingo, Lucky Bingo, etc., etc., ad nauseam!
The wife and I have lost count of how many on-line bingo sites are advertising on the more low-brow channels.

Problem? :ugh:

16th Jan 2013, 09:59
Gambling is evil and advertising it on the 'low-brow' channels, aiming at those with less intelligence and self-discipline, is almost criminal. I have seen too much misery caused by gambling, both 'casino' and on-line.

I would ban all forms of gambling where more than a certain percentage, for example 75%, of your initial stake is at risk. If that puts the casinos and the on-line operators at risk of liquidation/closure, good. That would be my intention.

16th Jan 2013, 10:19
I find the plethora of on-line gambling sites being heavily advertised in the last while pretty worrying. The 'ease' at which you can play will lure the naiive, the bored, the unlucky optimists to be parted from their money. Even the whole housewife/unemployed market is catered to with so many 'exciting' Bingo sites where it's blue skies and sunshine all the way! :rolleyes: I realise that it's all about free will and personal choice, however like the payday loans companies, they are aimed squarely at people that probably should be doing the opposite and under the guise of being friendly and safe for them to do so.

As has been mentioned earlier, the propensity of manipulation against the punters is most likely greater through virtual means which makes the playing field so lopsided as to be fraudulent. People who gamble professionally or at least with good knowledge can take their chances in good faith at the casino or race course and good luck to them.


16th Jan 2013, 10:28
And, of course, all of the sites are trying to attract the gullible with their 'free top-up' offers, making them even more attractive to those mugs who expect a quick profit!

To be honest, I'm amazed there isn't more regulation...

16th Jan 2013, 11:14
Just remember:

The house always wins. Always

16th Jan 2013, 11:43
I guess poker is also considered Gamble rihgt? I like to once in a while charge my pokerstars account with 10 euros or so and have fun for a little while, donīt really expect to win much money, itīs more a hobby, and the upside Is I can win money lol. I donīt expect to win, just the fun of playing for real money makes it more important I guess :)

26th Jan 2013, 21:48
Judge warns of perils of internet gambling after desperate salesman from a respectable family turned to crime to pay his betting debts | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2268675/Judge-warns-perils-internet-gambling-desperate-salesman-respectable-family-turned-crime-pay-betting-debts.html)

Not really surprising as no controls and tv full of ads for that and payday loans.

26th Jan 2013, 22:37
I hold the same opinion as you.

Just noticed tonight on the telly how many ads were broadcast by gambling businesses. One showed a farmer with his unbelievable tractor bought from the profits of his gambling. An utter disgrace - such ads should be banned.

What should be shown is little kids going without a proper meal because their benefits were squandered by parents who were led to believe the road to financial riches was the betting shop or the 'national lottery'.

The lottery is a disgrace that imposes a tax on the less intelligent of our population. (I do by the way buy a lottery ticket on average once a year so am clearly not as bright as I once imagined I was!)

Kind regards

26th Jan 2013, 22:42
How about a government petition to ban the national lottery.

Not that they ever take any notice of us plebs, but maybe it is worth a go.

Kind regards

26th Jan 2013, 22:51
This man, punters, I have to tell you is an exception to the rule.

If in the Apple Isle ever do not miss MONA. It draws visitors now from many distant lands.

David Walsh (art collector)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
David Walsh (b. 1961) is a Tasmanian professional gambler and privately owns a collection of art.
Walsh grew up Roman Catholic in the Glenorchy district of Hobart, Tasmania, Australia, the youngest of three children. A high school graduate, Walsh made his fortune by developing a gambling system used to bet on horse racing and blackjack.
Walsh describes himself as a "devout atheist".
In 2001, he founded the Moorilla Museum of Antiquities on the Berriedale peninsula in Hobart., which closed in 2007 to undergo $75 Million renovations. It was re-opened in January 2011 as the Museum of Old and New Art or MONA. MONA won the 2012 Australian Tourism Award for best new development and is a major Tasmanian tourist attraction. In July 2012, Walsh was involved in a dispute with the Australian Tax Office, which demanded he pay $37 million from the profits of his gambling system. The dispute was "entirely resolved" in October 2012.

26th Jan 2013, 23:13
Lottery ticket price doubles to Ģ2 in 'tax on the poor' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263367/Lottery-ticket-price-doubles-2-tax-poor.html)

Solid Rust Twotter
27th Jan 2013, 05:24
I use up all my luck just staying out of trouble out here in the sand. Never bought a lottery ticket and don't gamble at all. Just don't get the point and completely fail to see how wiping your arse with money can be fun. Rather spend it on a pint and a steak.

27th Jan 2013, 09:12
I play the lottery every Saturday, and every Saturday I fail to win the big one.

I console myself with the fact that yet again I haven't been murdered that week, as I understand the odds on the latter are rather shorter than winning the lottery!

27th Jan 2013, 09:18
Lottery ticket price doubles to Ģ2 in 'tax on the poor' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263367/Lottery-ticket-price-doubles-2-tax-poor.html)

Why can't they just buy half as many tickets, or buy them less often? Or is that too simplistic for gambling addicts?

27th Jan 2013, 09:23
i'm not big on gambling either..

the only way i'll entertain it is if i own the casino.

the house always wins.

Dan Gerous
27th Jan 2013, 12:51
Why can't they just buy half as many tickets, or buy them less often? Or is that too simplistic for gambling addicts?

Because a lot of people use the same numbers every week, a fact that Grabalot no doubt took into consideration. What was once a weekly draw for a chance to win a tidy sum, has turned into a money grabbing exercise, with various draws throughout the week and smaller and smaller jackpots in the lottery draw.

Grabalot certainly didn't ask me my opinion on this, and the illusion of winning more, obviously blinded the people they did survey, to the fact that you still have to win it, but now you are losing more when you don't win.

Ģ1 isn't a lot of money these days, but Ģ2 is. I wouldn't feel hard done by if I only won Ģ4.1 million as opposed to Ģ5 million, and I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't either.

27th Jan 2013, 13:37
A few years ago I tried playing poker with a group of university students. I found myself thinking that the whole structure of the game had been warped out of shape by the online game. For example, there were too many players using their stacks as blunt weapons, going all-in before the flop to try and scare people off. They were trying to play the other players too much, instead of playing the cards, when a balanced poker game would include both at different times.

I lost interest at that point. I'd already seen that online poker was a closed shop, all about the money. New players were just raw meat for the sharks. I didn't get as far as putting any of my own money in, the free games were bad enough to put me off getting involved financially.

27th Jan 2013, 14:18
I like this bit:
Another Facebook user, named as Geordie Mick said: 'The lotto is now becoming a game for the rich .... Us poor ppl will never have a chance of bettering ourselves now' (sic).
I shouldn't laugh ... I really shouldn't.