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airship
13th Jan 2013, 12:49
Whilst airship was suffering from a severe bout of overnight diarrohea and therefore had various opportunities to reflect whilst on his throne...

...I came up with what I believe may be a viable solution to preserving all the endangered elephants, rhinos, tigers, sharks etc., from all those who use their body-parts for various nefarious purposes.

It struck me (just as my muscles in the anal region entered into an uncontrollable convulsive stage), that what humanity (and the animal preservation charities etc.) really need to do is to flood the usual markets for these products, with viable synthetically-manufactured copies of elephant tusks, rhino horns, tiger bones and pelts, sharks' fins or whatever, pretty much indistinguishable between the real thing and the copy. Sufficiently so, as to ensure that the market prices drop to almost zero, sowing much confusion amongst the consumers.

We have so much expertise here in the western industrialised countries of say, selling consumers "ham" as "real ham" for example. Standard "Ham" being manufactured of all the pig bits, ground-down into a thick liquid, reformed into bits of pig that we might otherwise recognise, injected with saline injections before finally being sold to us in packs of 4 slices of...

Combine our own expertise in the manufacturing of ham products with perhaps Chinese manufacturers (experts at producing "cheap copies" on an industrial scale), add-in western DNA technologies etc., and there's absolutely no reason why we couldn't today be satisfying (Ie. flooding) the usual markets with synthetically-engineered (made in China) products which are almost impossible to distinguish with the "real elephant tusk / ivory, rhino horn, tiger pelt etc.

In theory at least, why pay 50-500 times more than for the genuine product if they both appear to work just as well as each other? I believe that was Microsoft's problem in China. They wanted to sell Windows, even at a fraction of the usual price elsewhere, but everyone found that the copies worked just as well...?! :ok:

DX Wombat
13th Jan 2013, 13:02
Airship, some time ago I watched a programme on tv about the rhinos at Longleat. One of them had a mis-shapen horn which threatened to grow into her face so when it started to get a bit too close for comfort the vet came, anaesthetised her and sawed of the offending piece of horn. This procedure needed to be repeated at intervals as rhino horn keeps growing. It would seem therefore, that it isn't necessary to kill the rhinos for their horns just to anaesthetise them and slice off a chunk. There is then a possibility of a further harvest once it has regrown. Perhaps this is a strategy which should be looked into.

G-CPTN
13th Jan 2013, 13:15
Rhino horn is hardened hair, but I believe that elephant tusks are teeth.

airship
13th Jan 2013, 13:22
DX, there is some logic to: the vet came, anaesthetised her and sawed of the offending piece of horn. I'm not very confident that the poachers share any of that logic (or whether or not they're accompanied by vets and anesthetic dart-firing guns)...?!

Perhaps also, the rhinos need (important) horns in survive in the wild, so cannot simply be sheared once a year like sheep? No, what I was thinking of were 100% (or thereabouts) synthetic rhino-horns, using the most modern-western technologies (and cheap Chinese mass-production) to reproduce and convince all those Arabs that their dagger-handles are "the real thang"...etc. :)

UniFoxOs
13th Jan 2013, 13:26
flood the usual markets for these products, with viable synthetically-manufactured copies of elephant tusks, rhino horns, tiger bones and pelts, sharks' fins or whatever

Thought of this a long time ago. My product is "Rhino Tusk" brand tablets, piccy of rhino on front, and in small print the label would say "contains viagra"

Cheaper than the original, and really works, completely destroy the poachers market.

james ozzie
13th Jan 2013, 19:38
DX, your logic is corrrect but the reality is the poachers do not have access to dart guns, tranquilisers etc etc. But they have ready access to AK47s which are used to cut the beasts down.

The practice of dehorning rhinos is well debated and understood but not 100% effective, for a variety of reasons including:

1. They cannot always see the horn (or lack of) when they kill the animal.
2. The regrowing stump still has value.
3. They are happy to kill a dehorned beast to save them the trouble of wasting their time tracking it again in the future.

My own view (not well supported) is to capture the last few remaining rhinos and hold them in close capctivity (i.e. pens) to preserve the gene pool while commercially farming the horn. They literally need to be caged under 24 hr guard. Poachers still take them in nature reserves. The high value of the horn makes them irresistable to impoverished illiterate people.

Educating the public etc etc will not work and will take too long. Not helped by a recent claim from a Viet Namese politician that rhino horn cured his cancer. There have been attempts to poison the horn but it seems to have no affect on demand.

I believe the Chinese will cotton on to the the benefits of "domesticating" rhinos for commercial purposes. Cut out the middle men and control the resource availability. Capitalism at its best...

Solid Rust Twotter
13th Jan 2013, 19:47
Rhino horn is used in the Far East as a headache remedy and a general analgesic IINM. Don't think it's regarded as an aphrodisiac.

Noah Zark.
13th Jan 2013, 19:49
Airship,
Whilst the basic premise of your thread is excellent, there are areas which contain too much information!
(just as my muscles in the anal region entered into an uncontrollable convulsive stage),

:yuk: :yuk: ;)

500N
13th Jan 2013, 20:04
A couple of things have worked in the past.

Make the animals valuable to the local population where
they live instead of them seeing as competition. Then if
they see they can earn $$$$ from them, they are more likely
to protect them.

Earning $$$$ is not just selling them for hunting safaris, plenty
of other ways to earn $$$$ where the animal is kept alive.


Re having 24 hour armed guards, it has been done with Elephants
in the past successfully for many years, mainly old males
with huge tusks that they didn't want poached. The animal got used
to the guards being close by and happily accepted them.

I think Rhino's might be a bit harder.

The other way is to seed the media with stories of the reverse effects
of using Rhino horn, some desease or other, hopefully with the end
result of decreasing demand. They somehow have to get it out of
people's minds that it is good for you.

OFSO
14th Jan 2013, 07:25
as my muscles in the anal region entered into an uncontrollable convulsive stage

Perhaps we could have a thread about the manufacture of synthetic anal muscles ?

SLFguy
14th Jan 2013, 08:05
Problem here is the 'snob' value of the 'real' product will probably drive the price skywards!