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mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 12:12
We used to have lovely little sports cars, remember the Frog Eye Sprite and the Lotus Seven? Nible and agile, with vestigial weather protection afforded by hood (soft top) and sidescreens. And the roadsters, Triumph TR2, MGB and others. Then the Sprite grew into the Spridget, more like a complete car with wind-up windows. And sort-of sports cars came along, like the pretty little Triumph Spitfire and the Sunbeam Alpine/Tiger.

The sports cars became more and more like saloons, you could add a hard-top in winter and abandon it in summer. Slowly versions became available which had permanent hardtops, you had to be a contortionist to get in and out, and the good old feeling of wind in your hair was lost.

In recent years the fast-back body style has been used to make some very pretty cars, sports car size but more like mini roadsters than true sports cars. Bought and driven by rich people who would never dream of using one in a sporting event.

http://images-2.drive.com.au/2010/08/04/1744803/11BMW_m_m.jpg

So where next? Well, I just saw the most abominable evolution yet, driving unrestrained about town. It was the size of one of those 4x4 SUV monstrosities, yet it was a two-seater with a fastback body. All the looks of a hardtop sports car, but at least double the height and ten times the bulk. Who on this entire planet could go out and pay serious money for something like that? I imagine a person who weighs thirty stone yet wants to give the appearance of being young and agile.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
8th Jan 2013, 12:14
Female executives.
It's all about the security from eye height and mass.

Lon More
8th Jan 2013, 12:17
a person who weighs thirty stone yet wants to give the appearance of being young and agile.

Aptly named a Big Man's Wheels


Ubfortunately my Lotus owning days are behind me (Elan S2), as are my biking days, but I'll ride in a hearse before getting in something like that.
Pity for the prices they charge, they never seem to get the indicators to work.

edited to add, a proper fastback, Lotus 26R

http://www.lotusthailand.in.th/images/elan%20fb.jpg

or a Lotus 7 Gullwing

http://www.lotus7register.co.uk/images/l7s1pix/gwing001.gif

UniFoxOs
8th Jan 2013, 12:20
LON, round here we use the word "Willy" rather than "Wheels"

Seems more appropriate.

UFO

RedhillPhil
8th Jan 2013, 12:20
We used to have lovely little sports cars, remember the Frog Eye Sprite and the Lotus Seven? Nible and agile, with vestigial weather protection afforded by hood (soft top) and sidescreens. And the roadsters, Triumph TR2, MGB and others. Then the Sprite grew into the Spridget, more like a complete car with wind-up windows. And sort-of sports cars came along, like the pretty little Triumph Spitfire and the Sunbeam Alpine/Tiger.

The sports cars became more and more like saloons, you could add a hard-top in winter and abandon it in summer. Slowly versions became available which had permanent hardtops, you had to be a contortionist to get in and out, and the good old feeling of wind in your hair was lost.

In recent years the fast-back body style has been used to make some very pretty cars, sports car size but more like mini roadsters than true sports cars. Bought and driven by rich people who would never dream of using one in a sporting event.

http://images-2.drive.com.au/2010/08/04/1744803/11BMW_m_m.jpg

So where next? Well, I just saw the most abominable evolution yet, driving unrestrained about town. It was the size of one of those 4x4 SUV monstrosities, yet it was a two-seater with a fastback body. All the looks of a hardtop sports car, but at least double the height and ten times the bulk. Who on this entire planet could go out and pay serious money for something like that? I imagine a person who weighs thirty stone yet wants to give the appearance of being young and agile.

Remember always - money does not buy class or taste.

Ancient Observer
8th Jan 2013, 12:34
Some people have NO taste. Simples.

Had a couple of Lotus Elans. They were just beautiful.

Would like the money to buy an Aston martin. Also beautiful. (and not gonna happen).

Any of those big things like the beemer are just plain ugly.

MagnusP
8th Jan 2013, 13:17
One of the older AMs, I hope. The new ones are chavmobiles but, hey, that's business, I suppose.

mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 13:22
T42 "Spare wheel?" Rulebook, rulebook. "Yup, sure, gotta spare wheel in the back." Rulebook, rulebook. "Accessible? Where's it say accessible?"

Tankertrashnav
8th Jan 2013, 14:21
I had a 1948 MG TC once. Top speed was about 75mph downhill with a following wind, at which speed your teeth rattled and you were deafened. But my goodness it was fun - and it was so cheap that MG exported them in droves. It's not just sports cars that have ballooned - virtual any model you can name gets bigger and bigger with each successive mark number - even a Fiat 500 seems too big to put in your pocket now!

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2013, 14:24
any model you can name gets bigger and bigger with each successive mark number
This is done to escalate owners up the scale, then new smaller models are slotted-in below for new customers.

Lyman
8th Jan 2013, 14:27
When I was young, this was my ride

Left in a link to prevent heart failure.....caution





http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2010/03/30/20/32/1961_chevrolet_corvette-pic-3531266485512594604.jpeg

Shaggy Sheep Driver
8th Jan 2013, 14:51
Today's answer to the MGB and Triumph Spitfire - a cheap to buy and run small sports car (but properly screwed together unlike those BL creations) is this:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b132/GZK6NK/mazdaheight020resized.jpg

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2013, 15:09
Yes, I've often considered the MX5 to be a suitable fun sportscar.

HuntandFish
8th Jan 2013, 15:38
Lotus Elise a real sportscar but not easy to live with

Lon More
8th Jan 2013, 15:44
I've often considered the MX5 to be a suitable fun sportscar

.... for a hairdresser.


Lyman, you is da man!!



Best of both worlds?

http://www.kenvoss.com/images/pic/kimball1.jpg

blue up
8th Jan 2013, 15:52
Another Austin Healey Sprite (as above) but with a coupe body. No leaks, no pax seat, no carpets, no heater. Sadly I can no longer climb in through the door. 'Tis a terrible thing to get old, Y'know. (43 next week)

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/foggythomas/DCP00890.jpg

mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 16:33
Nice Sprite, Bristol registered, 1966? Lenham body? and nice parasol, Texas???? do tell all. :ok:

Lon More
8th Jan 2013, 17:11
D reg so 65?
Definitely looks like a Lenham kit.
IIRC they were available as a front or rear kit. The doors remained from the original.
The garage has long since disappeared and Lenham village is now ypassed, even on the old road.

Looking at the gullwing 7 I spect the rear window lifts out as there's a rain gutter above it. I can also rmember seeing one with an ally hardtop at Zandvoort many years ago. (IIRC the year I set fire to the Germans' tent :E, so must have been early 1980s and they shouldn't have set it up aout 18 inches behind the Elan)

vulcanised
8th Jan 2013, 17:18
I thought D was '66?

Mike-Bracknell
8th Jan 2013, 17:23
Lotus Elise a real sportscar but not easy to live with

I had one for 11 years, 6 of those as my only car, completing almost 100,000 miles in it. It wasn't that hard to live with.

Big Hammer
8th Jan 2013, 18:25
Lotus Europa,Elan, also an early E-type, loved them all but now I favour 4x4s but still manage to get points on my ticket when driving to conditions. Was blue light trained and still can't resist getting on with it!

Milo Minderbinder
8th Jan 2013, 18:37
A was 1963, so D should be 1966

eko4me
8th Jan 2013, 18:39
I thought D was '66?

Yes. My old man's Triumph Herald RTB 508C was 1965.

ShyTorque
8th Jan 2013, 19:39
Best way to get an old fashioned sports car with modern performance is to build your own.

Standard Noise
8th Jan 2013, 20:28
We used to have lovely little sports cars, remember.................the Lotus Seven?

Well you don't have to look far for it's successor.........
http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh427/standardnoise_photo/VARIOUS004.jpg

mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 20:45
http://www.ultralightnews.com/plansbuyerguide/images/texas-parasolplans.jpg

Texas Ranger
seen with 1966 Lenham above - but when?

Lyman
8th Jan 2013, 21:05
Lon More...

Truth? The Corvette is muscle, but not like the English cars. One of my favorite Sporties was the AH 3000 with a chev 327.

The Sunbeam Tiger, the AC Cobra, my brother's XKE, my uncles 3.8 etc. Etc.

Nothing can touch English sheet metal or American cast iron.

Except the cast iron from the English, and American sheet metal, the Mustang.

Great thread

(one of my very favorite autos was the 1958 Hillman Minx drophead)

Jani liked it too.

Call me cautious, but I might give the supercharged bug eye a miss at the lights.
Even with my eight second Corvette..

mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 21:23
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/mike-wsm/1972_Pontiac_Firebird_Esprit_350_Second_Generation_2_Door_Co upe_4-1_zps53f4f95d.jpg

Pontiac Firebird Esprit 350 cu in
Best car I ever owned

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2013, 21:52
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/GroupCaptain/Lotus3-7.jpg

Cacophonix
8th Jan 2013, 21:56
Jim Clark seemed to make even the clapped out old Cortina steroidal!

BSCC Crystal Palace 1964 - YouTube

Caco

G-CPTN
8th Jan 2013, 22:01
Those were the days, Caco!

mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 22:35
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mike-wsm
8th Jan 2013, 22:46
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ShyTorque
8th Jan 2013, 23:09
Other sports are available..... ;)

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Cacophonix
8th Jan 2013, 23:13
ERAs, the occasional Alvis and somewhere in England (what a pleasant land)! What could be better! ;)

This video was filmed in Jersey but it just goes to show that life should never be too taxing!

An awesome vintage E.R.A. (English Racing Automobiles) racing car - YouTube


Caco

RJM
9th Jan 2013, 00:55
Drool!

It's interesting that while the humble 2 litre Honda Accord shaded on Top Gear a clutch of seventies 'supercars' in most aspects (not looks, or sound, of course), one of the first supercars, and one of the most agricultural, is still one of the fastest accelerating road cars ever built - the mighty AC Cobra.

As to nostalgia, here's a great old British marque being driven with a bit of spirit on England's green and pleasant land.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-pzol0sxro

He's probably scared Daddy's deer into the next county, as well as got mud on the town car.

I think it actually aquaplanes on the last deep puddle. :bored:

pigboat
9th Jan 2013, 02:33
http://www.cornwallclassiccarhire.co.uk/site/ourcars/header/austin-healey-3000.jpg

innuendo
9th Jan 2013, 04:50
http://jetset.zenfolio.com/img/s11/v32/p466903354-4.jpg

The most fun I ever had on four wheels and a lot of work to keep it going.

Sciolistes
9th Jan 2013, 05:58
All I want from a car is for it to be cheap, small, economical, reliable, lightweight, good looking, sublime handling, rear wheel drive, manual with a limited slip diff. No wonder I ended up with one of these:

http://blog.toyota.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jumping1-13A_1.jpg

Car of the Year awards usually seem a bit of a marketing sham,. No doubt the same in this case too, but at lease the product matches the hype...for one.

Nice little comparison here:
Toyota GT86 vs BMW E30 M3, Renault 200 Clio Cup, Honda Integra Type-R (http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/287455/toyota_gt86_vs_renault_clio_cup_honda_integra_typer_and_bmw_ m3.html)

blue up
9th Jan 2013, 08:17
Mike WSM. It is a Clutton FRED, G-BMMF. "The result of a night of passion between a Tiger Moth and a John Deere ride-on lawnmower"

I fabricate aircraft cowlings and panels for vintage cars, so, here's one I'm re-engineing, giving bigger brakes, widening the axles and giving a 4 seater body in aluminium...

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/foggythomas/barnato.jpg

Should be just fast enough to scare yourself without being dangerous. Maybe that is why the Sprite was a success?

This week I have been making scale replicas of the new panels to try them out for shape before ordering the expensive 3003 ali sheet. PS. Anyone in Blighty know where I can get cheap 3003 sheets?

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j279/foggythomas/cyclewing_zps6eb8d970.jpg

TurboTomato
9th Jan 2013, 08:45
.... for a hairdresser.

There speaks the voice of someone who's never owned one. Have you driven an MX5?

mike-wsm
9th Jan 2013, 09:09
Awwww - a Morris Minor - beautiful - I just missed buying one near Chelltenham mid-sixties.

Have been watching vids of G-PFAF, understand your lawnmower reference, specially with longer prop. :p

Shaggy Sheep Driver
9th Jan 2013, 09:48
Quote:
.... for a hairdresser.

There speaks the voice of someone who's never owned own. Have you driven an MX5?

Yes, I wasn't going to say anything but anyone who comes out with that clearly doesn't know the car.

Anyway, it's the Audi TT that carries the 'hairdresser' mantle. You can't even get the roof down on one of those, so great for not disturbing the latest hairdo. :E

mike-wsm
9th Jan 2013, 09:58
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Sciolistes
9th Jan 2013, 11:32
Group B, what an era!

How's about this vid. Ignore the BMW drifting at the beginning it gets better...much better.

HBLIHAsknRI

mike-wsm
9th Jan 2013, 11:56
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ORAC
9th Jan 2013, 12:26
Caterham CSR (http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/showroom/csr.html)

http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/images/showroom/csr/csr_thumbs.jpg

Morgan 3 Wheeler (http://www.morgan3wheeler.co.uk/home.html)

http://www.morgan3wheeler.co.uk/images/superdry/sd3w2.jpg

mike-wsm
9th Jan 2013, 12:58
http://www.mtwc.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/[email protected]

Castle Combe VSCC

sled dog
9th Jan 2013, 13:56
S S D

Ref your post #43, my daughter has an Audi TT convertible :p

TurboTomato
9th Jan 2013, 14:04
They all have their good points - I have actually owned both an MX5 and a TT Roadster (consecutively as it happens). The TTR's heated seats piss all over the MX's (warm piss :p), and the Quattro system is actually very good. I had mine over the winter of 09/10 and it could go where a lot of so-called 4x4s were struggling.

RJM
9th Jan 2013, 14:19
Music to the ears, pigboat! My old black chariot, much missed:

http://i46.tinypic.com/4iiz3s.jpg

For those interested in Healey racing, the following clip shows off not just the tuned Healey's power but the superior handling characteristics of the underslung 1930's pattern chassis. :eek:

Austin Healey in historic race at Zolder - YouTube

Apologies for the reposts.

mike-wsm
9th Jan 2013, 17:29
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/mike-wsm/L_462_INVICTA_001-1_zps995391f8.jpg

RJM
9th Jan 2013, 18:17
Lagonda? About 1932-4? Donald Healey won an RAC rally in something similar which converted him to having rear chassis rails below the rear axle. :ooh: This condemned Healey drivers to having 2" of ground clearance. They never fixed it.

AlpineSkier
9th Jan 2013, 18:47
@sled-dog

Ref your post #43, my daughter has an Audi TT convertible

Don't be shy then ! What's her rate for a cut and blow ? :p

lasernigel
9th Jan 2013, 19:09
All I want from a car is for it to be cheap, small, economical, reliable, lightweight, good looking, sublime handling, rear wheel drive, manual with a limited slip diff. No wonder I ended up with one of these:

They say next year they are uprating the engine on the GT86. Had a Celica and it was a joy to drive until I wrote it off. They say the GT86 is a drivers car.
Had a '77 Mustang which was fun, swapped for a Scimitar but the ex didn't like it.
That was when I had money before divorces!!

Miserlou
9th Jan 2013, 19:17
Well, I am happy to inform that my 1970 Truimph Vitesse convertible is sound and healthy and used as my daily driver.
It has lived in scandinavia for about 7 years now and is driven all year.

Six cylinders must surely be a minimum for a proper car.

Some people think it is wrong that I use it as I do and not store it through the winter. I say I am using it as it was intended to be used. That's what it was built for!

ShyTorque
9th Jan 2013, 19:17
Some good sports cars here (and a couple which debunk the myth that rear wheel drive is no good in slippery conditions).

Part of the Exeter trial, which took place last just weekend:

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mike-wsm
9th Jan 2013, 22:30
RJM - very close - 1932 Invicta with underslung chassis - and straight cut gears which sing a song all of their own

Howard Hughes
10th Jan 2013, 01:15
Perhaps they have been eating at US restaurants?

For what it's worth I don't mind the car in the OP (if it wasn't for the price)! Beats being broken down on the side of the road in yer classic British sports car...;)

mike-wsm
10th Jan 2013, 09:45
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GGR
22nd Jan 2013, 20:39
Heres my sporty little number......no steroids required

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg193/MGRV8/Healey2_zps6bdd175d.jpg

reynoldsno1
22nd Jan 2013, 21:21
I've always liked the looks of the MGA - but it's hardly steroidal, more oestrogenal really ...

GGR
22nd Jan 2013, 22:42
Ok just for you here is my MGA. It had to go but I did at one time think I would keep the MGA and sell the Healey but Healey won and MGA is being loved by another these days.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg193/MGRV8/MGA1.jpg

broadreach
23rd Jan 2013, 00:03
It all changed for me about thirty (could it be forty?) years ago when I slapped down an Mg-B somewhere near Liverpooll in my rented Austin Maxi.

I'd still like a Miata - or whatever they're called nowadays - for gentle tooling about.

gileraguy
27th Jan 2013, 02:34
MX5 is the reincarnation of the MGB. Mazda specifically designed it that way. The first 1600's had NO power steering and AC was optional.

Driving one through winding hill roads in winter with the top down, going around the outside of vehicles. The MX5 really handled like it was on rails and you could use all the performance (just). Still, every time I picked up the girlfriend she demanded that the top went up to protect the 'do.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Honda S2000. VTEC 2.0 and revs like a goodun. License wouldn't last long but phwooor!

aviate1138
27th Jan 2013, 05:20
In 1962 I had one of these for a couple of years. Chassis no. 045 istr

6 Cylinder AC engine [1919 design with mods...] about 90 HP gave it a top speed of just over the 100 mark. A thing of beauty IMHO.

http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn77/aviate1138/ScreenShot2013-01-27at061401_zps51262cdf.png

sitigeltfel
27th Jan 2013, 05:31
There speaks the voice of someone who's never owned one. Have you driven an MX5?

I was most pissed off when my wife traded in her MX-5 (Berkley edition) for an Audi TT.

Lon More
27th Jan 2013, 05:50
The Japs will nick anything.

Berkley was a 1950's British manufacturer of, mainly 3 wheel cars. Quite sporty, they enjoyed some success in the Mille Miglia and a top speed of 100mph is still pretty respectable for a 500cc engine.

MG23
27th Jan 2013, 05:55
I had one for 11 years, 6 of those as my only car, completing almost 100,000 miles in it. It wasn't that hard to live with.

I always found mid-engined cars fun at the supermarket, watching the looks from passers by as I loaded shopping bags into the front...

Sciolistes
27th Jan 2013, 06:06
lasernigel,
They say next year they are uprating the engine on the GT86. Had a Celica and it was a joy to drive until I wrote it off. They say the GT86 is a drivers car.
More power could be interesting, but I honestly don't know whether it would detract from the joy of the car on the road. For me the GT86 is a simple car that is simply perfect.

As a comparison, I used to have a Porsche 924S which I deeply regretted having to to sell when moving out of the UK. It was modified for hillclimbs: stripped out, 928 wheels, koni yellow adjustables, lowered, stiffened, etc. And the GT86 has very similar characteristics, but is obviously much more reliable, commutable with 35mpg efficiency and a 5 year warranty.

Add more power and perhaps, it will reduce its all round greatness with more expensive maintenance, consumption and insurance. Plus probably the need for sticky rubber and thus much less flexibility on the road.

Lon More
27th Jan 2013, 06:07
MX5 is the reincarnation of the MGB

Actually the Lotus Elan, really evident here

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/SmiffyMan/Goodwood3a.jpg

Lon More
27th Jan 2013, 06:18
Just remembered this. the Mini Lynx AE (http://www.lynxae.co.uk/Products-MiniR1.htm) conversion
LynxAE Mini R1 conversion kit - YouTube
I want one. Looks 100% standard, until you turn the key.