ASG Jet

[FatFlyer]

Has anyone experience of ASG jet & the 800 hours jet time they offer ?

[Dutchman]

Stay away from them !!, have been some very negitive postings about them on the Dutch version of PPRuNe (Director of company is Dutch). Should also find some info in previous postings if you perform a search on PPRuNe.

[scroggs]

If you have personal experience of ASG (or any other FTO or company) please feel free to comment here. If your comment is purely based on what you may or may not have read or heard elsewhere, I'm afraid that isn't very helpful - to say the least.

I am aware that there are one or two, with a real grudge against this outfit, who come out of the woodwork whenever the subject is raised. I, and others, would be pleased to read some personal experiences from a wider sample of ASG customers.

[Dutchie]

Fair enough, I will be back shortly on that.

[Dutchman]

Sorry scroggs your right, only trying to help out. Did state to search previous postings on PPRuNe for more info. Will place a posting on Dutch bulletin board and see if I can get them to share their experience here.

[radarnose]

Dear Scroggs,


Where's smoke there's fire; in this particular case a fire you don't want to get burned by.

I know the people that run ASG personally.
I went through there program when they used to call themselves I.P.S. (Independent Pilot Service).

They where involved in several lawsuits, local and national newspapers and magazines reported over the way they conducted bussiness..etc.,etc.

So...people don't get burned!!

[orninn]

Could anybody give me the link to this ASG jet page?

regards
Orninn

[Dutchie]

They would not have to get into problems with the FAA or INS at all as it was a problem between Dutch students who had problems with a Dutch contract they had with a Dutch company. This company subbed it to the states if I recall it correctly...

[stevieboy]

Hey lrjt24, I am thinking about doing the course, got a few questions about ASG, would you able to contact me on [email protected] please.

[radarnose]

Hey Stevieboy,


I am pretty sure you don't have to travel half way across the world to throw your money away.

So why bother with A.S.G.!!

Please do your research. From the many posts concerning the A.S.G. the only positive one i have seen was the one you are replying to.
The odds aren't looking good.

Trust me... there are better programs if you look a bit harder.

In general,especially in aviation:" if it looks to good to be true, it probably is".

Later.

[jasonjdr]

Dutchie, Dutchman, Radarnose. Are you all the one and only? :D :D :D

And what are your connections with CAE in the Holland? ASG seem to have good feedback apart that from you guys!!

Are you, CAE, and the legal batlle between students (setting up a similar operation, as above) and ASG. All connected ? Or am I just looking at things in my paranoid way? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[radarnose]

Hey Jasonjdr,


Good feedback from whom ?? Except from irjt 24.

What do you mean by CAE?

I don't know Dutchie or Dutchman or am in any way affilliated with any organisation trying to sell flighttime to wannabe's like myself.

I am like many struggling to get a flying job and I hate to see people like myself getting conned by people like the Vellinga's (ASG).

Like i said before I know these guy's personally and to put it mildly: Steer clear of them!

Later

[Dutchie]

Jasonjdr, your detective qualities are as good as your English.

If you go to a Dutch site called www.airwork.nl, which is in Dutch but if you post in English you will get an English response. And ask or look for ASG there you will get some good responses. And no, the twenty or so people posting on that are not one and the same person either. What has happened is that there has been a remark posted on that board to inform the people on this board about ASG.

Believe me, Vellinga is like a swearword to the majority there and for valid reasons..

[jasonjdr]

Sorry guys, didn't mean to cause offence.

At least, its clear in my mind now. Also I seemed to have pushed a small amount of information to the surface. Dutchie, thanks for the link. I will try to find out what else makes you think that ASG are not worth going to?

So far it doesn't seem as though the lawsuits you referred too were held up (according to irjt24)? Maybe someone could provide information to the contrary?

[Dutchman]

Not all the same, just not creative when it comes to nicknames.

[Dries]

lrjt24, I'd like some info concerning corporate flying. Can you contact me on [email protected]?

Tnx

[Superpilut]

In my opinion this company delivers the basic idea and you have to be quite motivated and willing to be flexible. I know one guy who flew there and ended up with a carrier in Holland on the right seat on the 73. For some others it didn't work out that well..
So its not a real scam. Some get where they want to be, some not...

[Julian]

Couple of questions...

a) I take it even if students ended up flying in Holland, etc, the training is for the FAA licence (not JAA)?

b) For those who did the the full FO course - how much did it cost you? What was the course breakdown?

RADARNOSE - Do you have any links to companies offering similar style courses?

Julian.

[jasonjdr]

Julian,

Total cost for the program is $36,000 (ouch :eek: ). A down payment of $10,000 is needed at the outset. Full details are sent to you if you place a request through their website, which is advertised regularly above. (thats where i got the figures)

Good luck!

[radarnose]

Hey Julian,

Just from the top of me head.

At the following url's you will find First Officer programs of which the Gulfstream program is pretty well known in the industry:
www.flighttime.net
www.gulfstreamacademy.com
www.tyleraviation.com
www.eaglejet.net

I don't know if they are bonafide programs or not,i never took part in any of them.

I was told by a friend who followed the Gulfstream program that Gulfstream was a decent outfit and that he a had great time flying for them.

Good Luck

[Julian]

Eaglejet runs quite a comprehensive program, interesting enough if you join the Airbus or 737 program your training is undertaken in Europe!

Julian.

[extended downwind]

Ok to all concerning ASG Jet and Gulfstream

You cannot get into Gulfstream without a green card now. Also a new law is out that does not allow anyone that is not American to train on any aircraft while on an M1 Visa if it is over 12,500 pounds.

I spoke with Gulfstream and I am Canadian and they said no, not without the right to live and work. They were very rigid and not willing to discuss the matter. However I spoke with and have seen the EAGLE AVIATION operation in Tamiami and they look pretty good. They are honest. Alpine Air is another one that looks worthwhile.

Good luck:p

Send any info on the above if you have it as I am looking for one of these programs.

How do airlines look at this time?

[FLYINGSAILOR]

Hello !

ASG have posted an advertising on " AVcrew " for looking for F/O on Jet. No need to complete the complete training with them as it seems ...

Have someone received an answer from them , yet ?
it would be interesting to know if they really need F/O or only people to train into entire program to make money...

A bientôt !

[pissedOFF]

After reading their marvellous proposal in their glorious website I said to myself.. man, this is a bargain! And I started writing them.
I couldn't believe what I was told in their answers...something about 10000$ to give him in advance before even having the chances to go to “his” US training facility. Of course I would of got my money back if I at the end I wasn't satisfied... apart from some hundred dollars that Mr. Villinga would use for paperworks and the visa (pathetic bull****).
He didn't want to tell me an email or a phone number of this training facility beside this : "Just for your information we receive between 400 and 600 applications a month and if all pilots ask questions to me and ask them again to the people in St.Louis they just keep us occupied." ---oh poor people!---
Sorry for being straightforward but the fact that he won't let me talk directly to the facility raises red flags. My guess could be that he didn't want me to talk directly to the facility because I could find out that there is no need for his services. It sounds like a scam where someone agrees to provide you with "secret inside information", but later you find out the information is publically available at no cost.
And 10000$ in advance....

[devic]

I agree with what was mentioned above.
Although, I didn't like the answers and explanations I received through their emails.
I'd rather invest my money by playing the lottery or slot machines.

[DASF CIC]

It's your money and you can do with it what you want. Don't ever tell anybody that you haven't been warned.

If I was looking for a place and this was the responce it had generated, I would at least do some more research on the subject.

Tips. Talk to former students, ask about a money back garantee, ask serious questions about the Visa program he opts for. And make sure you can check his claim to fame. (call the INS).

Also find out how many of his students actually got a job and how much he did to help them get that job.

I was'nt that smart and almost ended-up as one of his victims.

Be warned