Xmas Grinch

[blade]

OK Guys with xmas travel time approaching a plea from a sometimes commuter and all the other pilots engineers and their families..

Lets save J1/J2 for them..

I know that a brand new checkin girl many have requested my jumpseats 1 min before you but that doesn't change the unwritten rule.
Pilots engineers and families first..

load others up from J3 onwards ..I don't see how this is a lose lose but you guys and you know who you are who just release without talking to your crew to see if they may need it first ,or just leaving J1/2 open for guys just in case ,really bewilder me..

lets be considerate to each other ..:D

[Liam Gallagher]

Are we allowed to write c.ock on pprune? Shame, because that's the only response your post deserves.

I hope you have the minerals to express your views to the Captain on your next trip. Do let us know how the conversation ends. I am guessing with the word c.ock.

[blade]

Are you really a pilot or cabin crew liam..Because where I come from we help each other first.Im sorry you don't agree

And why would I discuss how I give out my jumpseats with myself on my next flight..

[treboryelk]

Liam

'Are we allowed to write c.ock on PPRuNe? Shame, because that's the only response your post deserves.'

[spleener]

What's a "Grinch"??

[iflylow]

Liam,

Seriously WTF is wrong with you? 99% of the skippers I know whole hardly agree with Blade, but it's the 1% like you that screw it all for us. J1/J2 should always be kept open for tech crew end of story.

[Liam Gallagher]

You wouldn't want someone questioning how you allocate your jumpseats, perhaps you should afford other Captains the same courtesy.

You can all take your unwritten rules and shove them, none of you have a monopoly on Christmas. You can sit on a crewseat. A ground staff employee can't and perhaps the wise Captain knows that and gives the ground staff J1 and J2 and you J3 to ensure the "friendly" staff travel folks do not turn away the Ground Staff. Should it be you are too precious to sit on a Crew Seat, do be sure to inform the Captain when you request the Jumpseat.

Iflylow, if 99% of Captains agreed with Blade, he wouldn't need to be whining on pprune..... The answer's still c.ock by the way.

By the way, any reason you didn't put this request on the AOA Boards?

[Fuzzy Math]

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[blade]

Well liam there would be no point putting this on our AOA forum because liam I would suggest that you would be embarrassed and called out for acting like you are on this forum..

The only way for people like me is to try and speak to you here..

I do have utter curiosity though why you seem so angry against pilots,tech crew and there families..

You are making my point on this forum 10 times better than i ever could so I would invite you to keep being yourself..

To all others like liam please "consider" your crew and work colleagues is all most of us ever ask..

Now take it away liam,you are at least funny in your irrational state:rolleyes:

[Forward CofG]

90% of the ground staff and cabin crew are no-shows anyway, or don't bother to come up to the flight deck to say thank you.
Why would they get J1 or J2 anyway, unless there aren't any tech crew or engineers.:ugh:

[BusyB]

Why don't you all grow up.

The mere fact that you are discussing this on a Public Forum shows everybody what a load of toss*rs we have working for us (note I don't say WITH us):mad:

[blade]

Busy B,I don't believe this topic is remotely out of order here..

Its about as boring as all topics on Pprune are!!!

But an open forum to discuss like adults boring topics is why we all sign up

[Liam Gallagher]

Jumpseat allocation threads occur on pprune with monotonous regularity and follow a predictable pattern. I dont normally get involved because BusyB is quite correct in that such a debate in public puts us all in a bad light. That said, there was something in your originating post that I (and I suspect any non-pilot) found most objectionable.

I do consider my work colleagues when allocating jumpseats, the difference between you and me appears to be that you consider your work colleagues to be only a select few, where I have a broader and more inclusive view. Like many, I have experienced the "unhelpful" nature of many of our groundstaff, but I am cautious not to tar them all with the same brush. If that makes me "irrational" or "angry" in your eyes, I shall not be losing any sleep.

How ironic that we are discussing this at Xmas, goodwill to all men....well....only tech crew... The rest can get stuffed.....

[Absolutely Fabulous]

this is fantastic

flight crew look after flight crew first,
check-in staff look out check-in staff first,
management look out management first,
cabin crew look out cabin crew first,
ramp staff look out ramp staff first,
cargo loaders look out for cargo loaders first........


what a fantastic way to co-exists and shame on the those who are paid the most to think this is they forward :ugh:

well folks, there's only one way to go so enjoy the continuous descent :D

brilliant..........see what happens when you let the kids in before mommy and daddy are ready to let go of them :rolleyes:

[Frogman1484]

Ab Fab...that is what is currently happening. Do you think the checkin staff is looking after the flight deck or their checking friends!

Is management looking after us or them selves?

Sad but true!:yuk:

[nitpicker330]

Yeah wakey wakey abfab

I've lost count of how many times ground staff never
1/ say thanks
2/turn up
3/cancel an unwanted jump seat.

They are the lowest priority I'm afraid.:suspect:

Having said that there is one particular commuter that gets J3 from me every time now because he holds 3 J1's 2 J2's for himself and his wife over a couple if days and NEVER cancels the ones he doesn't want :=:=:=

He is a repeat offender.....

[Captain Dart]

...and is he an AOA member?

[nitpicker330]

Don't know? I don't have a list of who is anyway. Wouldn't matter if he was I'm still not giving him any better than J3.

[Absolutely Fabulous]

yep, so true...........

despite the moral high ground and "standards" we tend to hold ourselves to I guess we are no better than any of the others :ok:

as I said, enjoy the ride down :D

[blade]

liam,you read into this what you want..As stated pilots,engineers,families ..how is this only tech crew..

Any when did I say I don't give my guaranteed seats to ground staff ,cabin crew..its all about priorities..

And you may yell out silly things like your precious bottom and crew seats but I just today had a cockpit crew member on my jumpseat who thanked me no end as seniority today would not have given him a cabin crew seat on the plane..and he would be stuck in!!!

So allocating your jumps to ground staff aint the smartest thing to do in this case is it..

So I will continue to help my fellow pilots and crew members on my flights first..and their families

As for discussing this topic on this forum ,have you seen the topics on this forum,this is tame and mundane ..

the only bad light here liam is how much you seem to hate pilots,engineers and their families or at least prioritize them under the ground staff,checkin girl in paris whom you have never met.Because this is all i mentioned..

So you can stick to your ground staff first mentality ..

however I won't be ,and next time you request a jumpseat why don't you send the Captain an email saying please only give to me after all the ground staff..

:ugh:

[Black Cloud]

Ignore Liam the tool, his mother must have scrubbed his foreskin too vigorously as a child. I always keep J1 and J2 open for either the other crews partner should they decide at the last minute or any other flight crew that want to get some R&R and escape this company for a few well earnt days away. CX HKG check-in staff always get last sniff and always will until they start treating us like their colleagues on the same side and not their enemies!!

[Absolutely Fabulous]

hmm, gotta agree on the one about ground staff never stopping by to say thank you :rolleyes:

perhaps the reason this is so is because they see the J/S as company property and the Capt's decision as nothing more than process

you know, kinda like when check-in staff decide to take a calculated risk and check you in before counter close out time so you won't have to rush through CIQ, or to exercise countless other little discretions they may have in the course of their duty without an inkling from you or a thank you too.........

are'nt we all just doing our jobs...........nah, can't be that simple :=

[BuzzBox]

kinda like when check-in staff decide to take a calculated risk and check you in before counter close out time so you won't have to rush through CIQ, or to exercise countless other little discretions they may have in the course of their duty without an inkling from you or a thank you too.........

HKG check-in staff using their discretion to help other staff? Can't say I've seen it in nearly 20 years with this company. It happens in the outports, but not in HKG.

[CodyBlade]

i second that..

I dread going to staff counter to check-in.

Just the sight of the faces puts me off..
On the flip side LAX,SFO,CDG, Ams,Lon,Aus really friendly and approachable.

[broadband circuit]

I third that.

In all my years, I've only had 1 friendly, helpful guy at HK staff check-in.

Yet, I've had positive experiences at numerous outports including, but not limited to, CDG, BNE, YVR, SFO, PER, SIN.

[Captain Dart]

On a related matter, who finds the jump seat allocation page in Crew Direct almost useless? It takes multiple attempts to allocate jump seat priorities and to get the 'action required' tag to change to 'no'.

Because of this it takes bloody forever to deal with all the new friends I make on the eighteenth of every month.

[anotherbusdriver]

Tech crew are just as guilty as the rest. Let's not get "holier than thou" Blade.
I have had many instances lately of J1 and J2 cockpit crew being allocated seats, happily sitting back in business class enjoying their champagne, without so much as a quick left turn on the way in (Airbus) to say "Thanks, but was given a seat".
Just saying.

[blade]

Anotherbusdriver,I have not mentioned about guys gals saying thanks and very much agree we are sometimes as bad as the ones whom we moan about..Although I have still never had a ground staff say thank you ever,and cabin crew 50/50 ,so whilst we sometimes have ignorant pilots we are not the worst..

So before you start throwing stones and getting "Holier than thou"you may wish to read my posts....

just saying

[CYRILJGROOVE]

Random checking jumpseats on the 3 days before Xmas for LHR shows 7 out of 10 Captains have not allocated jumpseats for 33 colleagues requesting. For 23 combined flights out of YVR MEL SFO only 12 have allocated jumpseats thus far.

So as a group you could not say we look after our own that well.

[Apple Tree Yard]

Just checked said JS requests. Why can't the Captains show a bit of courtesy and answer the &%^* JS requests? It is Christmas boys....