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astir 8
12th Apr 2002, 21:19
Arising out of the "Piece of Cake" thread, which bits of endlessly re-used inaccurate bits of film clip really annoy you?

If we make up a list, maybe we could send it to the BBC and the History Channel and get them to use some other bits.

Just to kick off on Battle of Britain documentaries

That bit with the "scramble" bell being rung (you're right there, Gainesy!)

The early He 111 with the stepped canopy allegedly bombing London

The "Messerscmidt 109" going inverted into the channel off Dover - it still looks like a Spitfire to me.

That close-up of the four-cannon Hurricane IId

And all the gun camera film of Fw 190's, 109's with drop tanks and small Luftwaffe training aircraft being shot down.


Lu Zuckerman
12th Apr 2002, 22:10
How about when the documentary narrator is describing the Japanese bombing Pearl Harbor and the aircraft shown is an SBD or a Japanese torpedo plane is dropping a fish and the aircraft is a TBM.

astir 8
13th Apr 2002, 13:01
Before anyone gets there, re my first posting, I know, the Hurricane IId was the twin 40 mm cannon version wasn't it? Now was the 4 x 20 mm version the IIb or IIc? It's 40 odd years since I did that Airfix kit conversion.

So maybe I shouldn't slag off the film companies.


13th Apr 2002, 16:11
The original Midway (Charlton Heston) was appalling. Flights of TBDs changing to SBDs en route, TBM for a splashing Zeke etc. etc.

13th Apr 2002, 17:30
astir 8, reference the Hurricane:

Prototype, equipped with Rolls-Royce Merlin C, retractable tail wheel, full wheel doors, Watts two-bladed fixed-pitch propeller, eight BSA Browning .303 (7.7 mm) machine-guns.

Mk I
2,719 plus 40 built in Canada.
Early Mk IA: Rolls-Royce Merlin II or III, larger radiator, fixed tail wheel, stronger canopy bars, and armoured windscreen. Later Mk Ias had metal-skinned wings, longer spinner, and Rotol or de Havilland three-bladed variable-pitch propeller.

Hillson FH40
Canadian-built Mk I modified in Great Britain with biplane wing for extra lift and fuel storage.

+/- 100
Introduced Merlin XX. Early Mk IIs had the four-gun "A" wing (eight guns in total).

The "B" wing added two more Brownings to each wing for a total of twelve .303 machine-guns. First Hurricane to be fitted with bomb racks under each wing for 250 lb (113 kg) bomb.

"C" wing had two 20 mm Hispano cannons (four 20 mm total) and bomb racks.

"D" wing used the fearsome 40 mm Vickers "S" gun with two .303 Brownings for anti-tank and ground attack work.

Not proceeded with. Packard Merlin-powered Hurricane to be built in Great Britain. Cancelled due to shortage of proposed powerplant.

Introduced Merlin 24 or 27. Began life as the IIE. Introduced "universal wing" able to carry combinations of 20 mm cannon, 40 mm anti-tank guns, up to eight rocket projectiles, and 250 lb or 500 lb bombs.

Mk V
Dedicated ground-attack variant intended for CBI theatre. Four-bladed Rotol propeller powered by Merlin 32 of 1,700 hp (1,268 kW). Three built. Not successful due to overheating problems.

Total CCF production 1,451.
Canadian-built Packard Merlin 28 powered Hurricane, Hamilton Standard propeller. Similar to Mk IIB.

Total CCF production 1,451.
Canadian-built, similar to Mk X, but RCAF equipment fitted. Most shipped to Russia.

Total CCF production 1,451.
Canadian-built, similar to Mk XI. Packard Merlin 29, initially with 8-gun wing, later with 4-cannon or Universal wing. Similar to Mk II and Mk IV.

Sea Hurricane Mk 1A
"Hurricat". Hurricane Mk I conversion with catapult spools that allowed launching from Catapult-equipped Merchant ships (CAM ships).

Sea Hurricane Mk 1B
Hurricane Mk I, Mk II, Mk X, and Mk XII conversion with catapult spools, plus arrestor hook for operation from hastily converted Merchant Aircraft Carriers (MAC ships).

Sea Hurricane Mk 1C
Navalised four 20 mm cannon armed conversion from Hurricane Mk I.

Sea Hurricane Mk IIC
Navalised Mk IIC, Merlin XX.

D Beaver
15th Apr 2002, 22:30
From the History Channel, a discussion about the Comet with film of the prototype Brittania on the mud flats in the Bristol Channel - with VERY evident propellors.

15th Apr 2002, 22:42
It's not just the pictures. What about the landing plane with the take off sounds and the jet sounding like a turboprop.

But while we're on the subject of pictures the number of times I've seen the undercarriage of a B52 masquerading as a passenger transport is beyond a joke.

16th Apr 2002, 09:11
On a slightly different note the piece in the closing credits of Top Gun where two F-14's barrel roll off into the sunset and the number 2 is pretty slow to respond, looses position and then has to pull very hard to get back in place always makes me smile.

8th May 2002, 11:30
Why does every plane diving out of control or diving to attack - jet or otherwise - sound like a Stuka??


8th May 2002, 13:20
In many films and certainly in most British news stock before video became standard all helicopter shots, regardless of type, seemed to be dubbed with the sound of a Bell 47!

astir 8

I've always thought the inverted Me 109 was a Spitfire too.

8th May 2002, 15:14
and most "jet" audio is a Harrier doing Accell checks.

8th May 2002, 19:28
I liked the "Top Gun" one aswell, made me laugh.
As a helicopter jocky it can really make you cringe what they do to us:
1/ Engines winding down on decent
2/ Engines winding up upon lift off
3/ Yes every helicopter IS a Bell 47!
4/ when shot, at going completely out of control and 'spinning' down to die with bags of smoke in the cabin and both hands a foot plus the badie fighting the cyclic!

I think it was in "Earthquake" where the two chaps are flying a Gazelle with the throttle off and the rotor brake on

And my piece of resistance: 'Behind Enemy Lines' where three Bell 212's took off and turned into one Bell 412 and two Bell 205's upon reaching the target and back again when landing back on the carrier!.... I know, I was flying one of the 205's!!!