Army aircraft technician

[ConfusedMatloe]

Hello

I am not certain whether this is the correct audience for my questions but here goes

I am in the process of carrying out a complete career change from the a medic in the navy to aircraft technician in the Army. I have been considering aircraft engineering for the past 3 years but due to operations and personal life i have only now managed to take the plunge and submit my notice to leave the navy.

I am going through the normal career office approach for the army at present, but i am curious if i am making the right decision by going to the army as opposed to a civilian training academy for qualifications/ future employability etc. I would like to remain in a military environment but if there are any ex army technicians reading this could they advise me from less rose tinted perspective about the pros and cons of my decision

just for some perspective i have spent most of my career on land ops with the royal marines so i am not coming from a typical naval perspective, and every time i looked at the apaches supporting our patrol i wanted to be the one working on them

many thanks for any help you can provide

Rob

[ericferret]

Almost 40 years ago to the month I went in to Army aviation.
Since then I have never been out of work unless through choice.
Current salaries in the UK between £50/60000 working North Sea.

Civilian training is a minefield and standards are not high.
If you are happy in the military environment then get the training while being paid a decent wage. Get good experience and you will find yourself at the head of the queue for jobs when you get out providing you get your end game sorted out.
Employers still like ex military staff and most helicopter engineers in the UK come from one of the services. Probably as high as 80%.
By end game I mean you need to get an EASA licence before you leave or very shortly after.

Think about which trade band you want to go in to, mechanical or avionics.
At the moment in civvy street B2 (avionics) licensed engineers are like hens teeth.

Postings are better in civvy street as well, plus overtime!!!!!!
If you dont a job you just leave, its not a prison.

Remember things change and aviation has always been cyclic. At the moment the helicopter world is hitting a peak but no predictions for where we will be in six plus years from now.

[ConfusedMatloe]

Thank you

i appreciate your honest and frank reply, i intend to go to university and study aircraft a maintenance as i cannot justify to myself going back to the military just because i miss the life. I also feel that i want to immerse myself in study as opposed to coping with the Army regimented life

Also i am eligible for my tuition fees to be paid for me so it seems like a win win!

any other comments are most welcome

many thanks

[T.R Haychemu]

Miles....I expect CM is talking about an Aviation Maintenance degree that includes the Part66 license modules as part of the study.....so whilst I agree with the statement that the degree probbaly isn't going to be that much use....it will allow him to gain an AML by studying fulltime, and if his tuition fees are paid it will be a great plan!

Do the course, if it's an Approved Part 147 Basic Training course then you'll only need two years in industry before you may meet the minimum requirements to apply for a license.

[ConfusedMatloe]

Yeah thats correct

the degree is aircraft maintenance and you need two years post degree in industry to get your license

working though my application though UCAS at present but having to do a foundation year to get myself up to speed in maths and science but should all be worth it in the end

i still have my application in for the army as a back up measure as i need to have a chat with someone currently within the AAC apache maintenance community to get a balanced perspective

please keep passing on useful information

many thanks

CM

[ericferret]

University graduate on work experience, in the crewroom

"I did my thesis on aviation fuel and it wont burn in a car engine".

Stunned silence from all followed by

"Theres been enough Jet A burnt in cars here to fly to the f**k**g moon and back"

"but that means my thesis is rubbish"

"So it would appear old boy so lets get back in to the real world out in the pissing rain and get this brake unit off"

[Krystal n chips]

Ar the risk of thread drift, but following Erics encounter with a graduate, I recently encountered one with the same qualifications.

Until our meeting, he had, it appears, been merrily impressing his friends by informing them he was a "type rated B737 engineer" by virtue of having trained on the type at a "well known North East location", said 73 in question having no engines fitted, but no matter.

Alas, the ego received Cat 5 damage as they used to say in Gov't circles.

[Dougie_diesel]

Perhaps we could have a new thred for the purpose Krystal, I imagine it would make an amusing read!

I had a degree student inform me once, that he was just going to finish his degree "and then be my boss".

Still waiting..............

[ericferret]

Just in case anybody thinks this is just an exercise in graduate bashing ( er well it probably is actually) I have been looking at this myself. University of Glamorgan.

Doubt it will be the slightest bit of use to me as I am at the back end of my career.
However a challenge is a challenge and it will look good amongst all the other certificate I have accumulated over the years.

I think every B1 B2 should do it, to put it in to perspective. Be nice to say yeah we all got one of those!!!!

Sounds a bit like an NVQ level one in office management "allowed to stick stamps on envelopes and lick the flap but not to address them"

This is supposed to be a light hearted aside so dont take me too seriously.

Its another route to a licence, but however you do it the licence is a starting point not an end in itself. Its the practical experience that counts and there are no short cuts.

[Avionker]

Its the practical experience that counts and there are no short cuts.

And therein lies the real question. Is 2 years practical experience enough to safely, and effectively, exercise the privileges of a B1 or a B2 licence?

[Dougie_diesel]

Is 2 years practical experience enough to safely, and effectively, exercise the privileges of a B1 or a B2 licence?


In my opinion, no. Not even close.

It sickens me that people can pay a fortune, go to a college for a couple of years, get spoon fed the exam material then do 2 years and get a license.

I've had people come from the likes of Bristol college & AST Perth (not limited to these 2, but they're the 2 that spring to mind) with every B1 and B2 module certificate, and they don't even know what way round to hold a screwdriver.

[QA1]

After a four year apprenticeship, three years further study while working on large aircraft, as they call them nowadays, to gain the equivalent of a B2 license followed by my first type course, I finally started to learn about aircraft maintenance – and I'm still learning thirty four years later.

[ericferret]

Cant disagree with that. 40 years on and still learning about things that I would classify as basic knowledge.

[ConfusedMatloe]

many thanks to all who have replied

i have just been to university of glamorgan open day and chatted with a few people there about the maintenance degree and it is beginning to seem to me that an apprenticeship would be the best opinion as a degree is only necessary if you want to progress to management in the future. Going by what i have read on this forum having line experience and competence are what really counts in this industry and practical knowledge is much more valuable than being theory savvy, so thank you for that.

Oh and thanks for the wake up call about graduates!lol

it feels now like a toss up between the army and raf as the navy wont allow me transfer across to the FAA as my job in in a shortage cat!...good thing my notice is in so they have no say in my career choice anymore

It just comes down to whether the other two services are willing to give me the opportunity to retrain with them now

any more useful advice would be most welcome

Rob

[bob_zingh]

Check out the website below:

http://www.army.mod.uk/reme/3203.aspx

Im sure you have been guided well by the careers office, no harm chatting with the guys who have been there done it. There is a contact telephone and you may come across some more helpful information.

[Bertie Thruster]

Don't know about these days but back in '75 my biology degree was no hindrance when I became a REME avionics tech.

[Krystal n chips]

" but back in '75 my biology degree was no hindrance when I became a REME avionics tech. "

That is just sooooo tempting....:D:E

But one will resist of course...;)

[ericferret]

Back in 75 the army took no notice of civilian qualifications of any type. It was all about passing the aptitude tests.

We had at least one engineer on my course with no educational qualifications at all.
Passed with flying colours.
Looking back I think this was a great system, everybody had a chance and obviously the better educated and intelligent the better the chance, neverless everybody had a chance.

The test was the same for all and the jobs you were offered a choice of be it infantryman or aircraft technician depended on the results achieved.

I remember being really concerned because there were pages of the test that I had not even got too. The recruiting sergeant noting my concerned face said " vacancies for field marshalls are a bit thin on the ground but otherwise you should be ok"

[Bertie Thruster]

The aptitude tests 'only' got me into the Royal Signals as a combat signalman, but I did get 'Best Recruit' on basic training.

It took a few letters and a sympathetic CO to get me transferred to the REME. ('Westland Trophy' (top mark) for Avionics course)

[Mikhail Sharpowicz]

There are a lot of folks around leaving the Army aviation world after commencing/getting their basic B2/B1. It seems to the route of choice for some. 2yrs+ basic maintenance training, then a couple of years in trade on Lynx or wApache. Some get to spend a little time on Gazelle or Islander, but normally later on.
The best experience however is at class 1 level, after about 6 years total in the job. This is where all the good stuff starts to happen, although the workload increases exponentially!
Brilliantly though, there is also a new guy with a PhD in biology kicking around!!

[pegasus-9]

Confusedmatloe

After learning to march, the REME should give you excellent trade training. However these days the CAA cannot give you any exemptions on the basis of this. So when you are coming up to your discharge date (2 years before) you should start the examinations B2 if your going to be a greeny (electrical avionic) oe B1.2 if your mechnical.

Hopefully you should have all the exams before leaving, then 12 months on the tools in civiy street (you might be able to get some civil expereince before you leave) then you can get your licence, a civil employer id more likely to take you on if you have all your exams.

Hope thats of some assistance, have been out a few years myself, good life in the army, now on 747s at Cardiff.
:ok:

[lasernigel]

After learning to march, the REME should give you excellent trade training

Certainly got good trade training and became a CET, or Eccy as we were commonly known. As for marching we called it the REME shuffle compared to the LI and the like!
Learnt about lasers back in '78 and never looked back. Still get head hunted at 59yrs old.:ok:

[Bertie Thruster]

Left the REME in 1985. My Army employment record states:

Primary Employment: Avionics Technician.
Secondary Employment: Pilot.

[lasernigel]

I left in 1984 then joined the Omani Army, stayed for 16 months.

[owen meaney]

Sounds like an old boys reunion going on here. With the addition of an A (RAEME) I would fit in.
Same deal in Oz, no problems getting work in civil - but be ready to "adjust" your eye for serviceability issues, no big bucket of money beside you to throw at the machine. The client will want the machine to released to the next servicing, not to be brand new.