UK CPL to Brasilian

[keen2fly]

Hi there,

I am just about to finish my CPL here in UK - I already hold an ME/IR, and will also do the MCC so will basically have a frozen ATPL

I have a possibility of a job working as a pilot for a charter business flying in the Salvador de Bahia - Barra Grande , Marau area, but I need to know about converting my licence and how complicated it will be.

Also if I need to speak Portuguese - I already speak Spanish fluently so I don't think it would take me too long to get up to speed.

Many thanks in advance!

Mike ;)

[alemaobaiano]

Do you have Brazilian citizenship?

If not, then you can't fly commercially here, whatever someone might be promising you.

TTFN

[keen2fly]

ahhh ok, hmmm very interesting... do you know if that applies even if the aircraft is say N registered?

[flyingswiss]

If it`s registred N, why would you need a Brazilian license? you will need an FAA license to get the type rating and then to fly the plane. There are very few situation where you would also need a Brazilian license on top of everything, like if the plane is leased to a Brazilian company that uses it for profit doing things like survey....I doubt it`s the case.

If a company wants to hire why haven`t they told you what you need?

If the company operates part 91, then you will need to be a legal resident or have a work visa of the country the company that pays your salary is from.

Brazil has become really strict with foreign flying in and into Brazil with N reg airplanes as commercial operation, now even for ferry flights USA-Brazil they want you to have a work Visa.

I don`t know if Part 135 with N reg planes are even legal or exists in Brazil, if it`s an US based company then you will need a Green Card.

You don`t need to speak portuguese but it would help.

Also look up FAR 135.243 c2 if you are gonna be PIC

[alemaobaiano]

N reg isn't a good idea ATM, the Federal Police confiscated a number of high end executive jets back in June during a country-wide operation, and arrested several owners. They were abusing the regulations that allowed the temporary operation of foreign registered aircraft, mainly to avoid paying taxes.

One other thing to remember is that flying schools here turn out thousands of shiny new pilots every year, many of them willing to work just for hours flown, and all of whom are legally able to fly here at the drop of a hat.

Sorry to say it, Mike, but this possibility looks like a non-starter from this end.

TTFN

[flyingswiss]

I think who abused was the govt and the Policia Federal, all those planes were operated Part 91 and followed the same system is used anywhere in the world for N reg planes.

Unless you hold a Green Card or you are an US citizen you can`t register an airplane in the US, as all the foreigns do you can use either a company that registers the plane for you (pretty expensive 2K+ USD a year for a small single engine), or set up your own US based company, which is just a name and a mail box in places like Delawere (100s of jets in Europe do this), this is not illegal or fraudulent it`s the only way the FAA allows you, and of course being based in Delawere gives you taxation benefits the govt down here thinks you are trying to evade Taxes. Airplanes are operated like this in Europe and Asia all the time, and nobody says anything. What is crazy is that those planes were legally leaving Brazil for Paraguay every 60 days....but all they want here is to rip you off with Taxes. they are probably trying to do the same with planes as they do with boats, being this probably one of the only country I know of where you can`t own a boat with foreign flag, it`s ridiculus.

They have to learn here that the way you get taxes from peoples and especailly companies is by not ripping them off and offer a profitable situation for them to bring their stuff here...oh I forgot those places are, as they call them here paraísos fiscais.....and are on a black list

[keen2fly]

Many thanks guys, my potential employer is just looking into the possibility of starting up a charter service, I would be involved in all aspects of the business - at present it's a feasibility study and to present it to the investor.

Thanks again

M ;)

[flyingswiss]

If it`s gonna be a commercial operation, then the airplanes are going to have Brazilian registration, at the present time you have to be Brazilian to legally act as commercial pilot (you can get a license as a legal resident but not use it for hire). There could be some loop holes, like if it`s a single pilot operation, you may be able to sit in the right seat, but unless it`s a multi crew operation/which it would not be in this case it`s really hard to demonstrate those logged hours.

[Shytehawk]

Pop down to the local beauty salon. They will give you a Brazilian at no great cost.

Seriously, good luck.

[keen2fly]

thanks again for the info.... as is so often the case it is far from straight forward...

Maybe I'll just head for the beauty salon and see what happens from there!

[EdForce6]

.... and if you are a legal resident with egualdade de direitos !

Can you fly commercially in Brasil ?

[alemaobaiano]

.... and if you are a legal resident with egualdade de direitos !

Can you fly commercially in Brasil ?

Yes you can, if you can find anyone willing to take you on.

[flyingswiss]

Pretty much every Airline with an Union will not allow non-Brazilians, many of the small ones have in their manuals a no-foreign policy, not even to swipe the floors of their office.

A friend of mine was the Chief Pilot of a large Cargo Company, I was in the process of getting the egualdade de direitos, but even so he said he couldn`t hire me becasue the company would not allow it.

I did met some foreign flying here, but very few..

In developed countries this is called discrimination, but whatever...

[EdForce6]

Flyingswiss,

I would like to get in touch with you personally if possible ?

[EdForce6]

After reading all the blogs on PPrune on the BR matters .... i think to my self !!

Its totally understood on the close market system that Brasil has for a non-brasilian pilot, up to some point.

Most countries and most airlines have that following thought. Even in euro, with all the equals, and open minded aspects, are now thinking about theirs before others, CRISIS !!!

BUT ... what makes me think twice on these matters, is the following !!

A person goes through the ruff to validate his license, wich most Brasilian born pilots can say that ANAC is not a simple nor a fast worker, although it is getting better as the months go on, i up now have no complains except the long waiting periods that i have had, anyway, he/she waits nearly if not more than a year to get the license, if issued !!! adding to it, you can put the years of living in the country and working in most cases in another industry to pay bills.

After all that he can only do private flying! thats ok, but what aero club allows you to rent a plane for solo flying ? with out the dude next to you !!!

Then its all to the topic that we are talking about, you cant, or they (airlines) will not take you on.

BUT ... many brasilian pilots flavour the aspect of other countries, with difficult buro paperworks, allowing them to fly and validate their license with a more easy process. The middle east is a prime example, or china. Australia at the moment is in need for pilots, have you the points required to get a Perm. visa, you can fly commercially - with all the m´s and l´s in that word.

Frustrating as it is, one just waits and sees how the process is here in BR. And at the end you get what you get, you will know what i mean if you live and work in BR.

[flyingswiss]

In Brazil it`s a federal law that does not allow foreigns pilots to fly commercially, in Europe it`s the decision of the airlines.

A private airline can do what they want, but if a govt does it, especially in a country where many of their citizens work all over the world, where do you think the many former Varig pilot are flying this days? I call that discrimination.

It`s a fact in Brazil a legal resident does not have the same rights as a Brazilian, I`m not talking about the right to vote but many things that a foreign can`t do, some which are a true shame, like having a simple bank account on a Visa.

I have/had 4 different pilot licenses from various countries, ANAC is a huge mess, one of my licenses comes from a far less developed third world country, got my licenses converted in just over a week, and there was never any questioning about my papers. Yes ANAC is getting better that is true.

In Brazil you can easy rent an airplane as long as you get checked out, I have soloed cessnas from a flight school in Rio. If you network a bit there are many private owners that have planes sitting around that will let you fly it, maybe not solo right away...I can point you out some peoples in Rio.

[HFTB]

A private airline can do what they want, but if a govt does it, especially in a country where many of their citizens work all over the world, where do you think the many former Varig pilot are flying this days? I call that discrimination.

Igualdade de dereitos.... I'm sure a different group would be very upset if the FAA banned Brazilian nationals from the F1 visa... and issued the M1 instead.

[EdForce6]

What do you mean with M1 and F1 ?

Can you explain in more detailed ?

[Shytehawk]

I have been told that getting a Brazilian can be somewhat painful!