New Iranian drone missile carrier

[jamesdevice]

More willy waving on the FARS website today
Though this looks interesting
Fars News Agency :: IRGC Announces Production of Drone with Missile Capability (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106240366)

"Speaking at a press conference here in Tehran on Sunday, Jafari pointed to Iran's latest achievements in area of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) production, and stated, "Shahed 129 drone presents the IRGC's latest advancement in this field. With its 24-hour-long non-stop flight capability, the drone can accomplish good missions in reconnaissance and combat fields."
The commander added that Shahed 129 can hit and destroy targets from a far distance with its Sadid (Iron-Strong) missiles. "

http://media.farsnews.com/Media/8806/Images/jpg/A0733/A0733619.jpg

Does this look like it can fly for 24 hours with those lumps attached?

[Rosevidney1]

I just love hyperbole! Their press releases are worth collecting. :ok:

[mike-wsm]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/mike-wsm/pprune/28a25df3.jpg

From SaharTV

[500N]

Mike
That looks decidedly like a US drone and a Hellfire missile
and nothing like the Iranian one.

[mike-wsm]

Well spotted, Predator of course. They're all using stock images. But Iran definitely has some endurance drones.

[500N]

Agree on all counts :ok:

[mike-wsm]

http://en.trend.az/article_photo/karrar.jpg

Karrar - Iran's New Jet-Powered Recce and Attack Drone (http://defense-update.com/products/k/karrar_jet_powered_drone_24082010.html)

[500N]

Mike

With these wankers, I like to see it flying and firing - AND hitting the damn target.

Getting a drone to fly once and firing a missile can be done, getting it
to actually hit a target at long range I think would probably take a bit of doing.

It's very easy to create blow up missiles / dummies. After all, the Brits, US and Russia have been doing it for years !!!:O


And anyone can google up an image:O

[mike-wsm]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/mike-wsm/pprune/6be9dfba.jpg

Iran Military Parade 2009

[mike-wsm]

500N

I could tell you tales of missiles.....but only after I shot you. :cool:

[jamesdevice]

So they used a photo from the 2009 procession for yesterdays press release.
It all seems very credible doesn't it???!!!

[jamesdevice]

A couple of pictures of the missiles (attached to what looks like a dummy of an Iranian attack helicopter) have turned up on a Pakistani military forum




http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/quos62koz23h79ha9y4.jpg

http://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/3/2044/1818995_thumb.jpg

[mike-wsm]

That pic is a Shahed 285 helicopter, not to be confused with the reported Shahed 129 drone. :cool:

[jamesdevice]

true - but it carries the Sadid missiles reportedly carried by the drone

[mike-wsm]

Sorry, yes, they look like TOW missiles, as purchased by Iran for its AH-1J helicopters.

Possibly copied by Sadid Industries.

Edit

Er, need a rethink on that, TOW not appropriate for drone....

....more like Hellfire as seen being fired from Predator above.

[500N]

All of which takes us straight back to my Post at # 8

Seems to be one hell of a lot of Bodgying going on by the Iranians.


As I said in another thread about the second Chinese Stealth plane,
the Chinese do it (PR, Propoganda) so much better !!!

AND, at least the Chinese picture scoops show the damn things
working or flying !!!

[phantomstreaker]

500AN

"wankers" love it, Heath Robinson at its best. We could have knocked up better on nights in the Role bay!!


:ok:

[GreenKnight121]

That Shahed 285 sure looks a lot like a Bell JetRanger (OH-58) with a bunch of cosmetic paneling applied... much like Blue Thunder:


http://airwing.uplink.com.au/bluethunder/images/media/8_1_L_00030056b.jpg

Is one of these, modified with bolt-on parts and a canopy patterned after the AH-64 Apache.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/French_SA341F2_Gazelle_helicopter_in_Saudi_Arabia_during_Ope ration_Desert_Shield.jpg/800px-French_SA341F2_Gazelle_helicopter_in_Saudi_Arabia_during_Ope ration_Desert_Shield.jpg

[mike-wsm]

The drone in the original post looks to be Beechcraft BQM-126 based, with altered empennage. The Karrar is BQM-126 with relocated engine.

Nothing wrong with using existing designs, it slashes the r+d budget and gets working hardware into operation.

Any comments on the funny canard in the 2009 parade?


Translation Corner:
Heath Robinson - Rube Goldberg
W....r - anyone who is not a mil pilot

[500N]

Mike

Re Beechcraft BQM-126, I see what you mean.


I might go and have a look at youtube to see if video exists
of any of these actually flying.
.

[500N]

Here is one video

including of the Karrar launching


IRAN MILITARY HAVE 5000+ LONG RANGE UAV DRONE LOADED WITH C802 MISSILE - YouTube

[Surplus]

Karrar - Not a new design.



http://www.3dshop.org.uk/images/doodlebug.2.jpg

[500N]

Surplus
That was my exact thought when I saw it - V1 Doodlebug !

[ORAC]

Any comments on the funny canard in the 2009 parade?

Ghods Ababil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghods_Ababil)

http://www.unmanned.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ababil_target.jpg

http://www.popularmechanics.com/cm/popularmechanics/images/pH/drone-debrief-06-0612-de.jpg

[mike-wsm]

500N

Very interesting Karrar clip - pause at 1:08 and look up. :cool:

[mike-wsm]

ORAC

Thanks! :ok:

[500N]

Mike

I paused at 1.08

What am I supposed to be seeing as nothing jumped out at me.

[mike-wsm]

http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q594/mike-wsm/pprune/cce2a667.jpg

Karrar with two missiles

Is this the drone mentioned in the original post?

[500N]

Not sure. I am no expert on UAV's but it could be.
They did say the new one could go 24 hours, this one
looks a bit thin ? Not sure how it is powered etc etc.

I need to have another look at the video and see what else
is in there as it may be a collection of "older" UAV's with
that at 1.08 being one of them.

[Milo Minderbinder]

Mike
surely thats the Karrar??
the new one ("Shahed 129") seems to be something different

If you Google Shahed 129, this below is the only image identified under that name - however the next post on the thread its on states "wrong image...."
This also seems to be the Karrar???
So maybe one drone, two names? Or something not yet public? The image in the first post is clearly "wrong"


http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/middle_east/iran/military_equipment/shahed_129/pictures/Shahed_129_drone_UAV_Unmanned_Aerial_Vehicle_Iran_Iranian_ar my_defence_industry_military_technology_640_001.jpg

Iran announces production of new military drone Shahed 129 with missile cap (http://www.defence.pk/forums/iranian-defence/208166-iran-announces-production-new-military-drone-shahed-129-missile-cap.html)

[mike-wsm]

Milo

See post 9

:cool:

[Milo Minderbinder]

thats my point - the only images of the supposed Shahed-129 either show the Karrar, or that old mockup from the first post.
Question is, is that still you posted of the same machine but with a different paint job?

[mike-wsm]

Milo, yes, all very doubtful, they seem to have started from BQM-126, first altering the empennage and later moving the engine. Not sure about the 24 hrs.

[Agaricus bisporus]

It is probably worth considering the implications if they did have limited capability low tech UAVs in large numbers - which could be readily mass produced so as to have swarms of the damn things. Even if they were only capable of hitting an aircraft carrier one time in ten and they launched a hundred or two in a swarm - not unfeasible - even the Aegis and CIWS would be maxed out would they not? And that could end in a real mess...

That low tech mass numbers approach can overwhelm modern swiss-watch solutions that the West so love, I wouldn't dismiss it too fast.

That 206 based helo could be a serious pest too if they had enough to swamp the defenses, and at the cost of those they could afford hundreds. Remember what fuzzy-wuzzies with asssegais did to the British Square on occasion. History leaves us a lesson there does it not?

[500N]

Ab
I tend to agree, cheap swarms to over come the defences.

I would like to read any articles on any tests done against our systems
by swarms of UAV's or whatever. Have never seen anything.


And you could even have the odd real aircraft in their as well
with a few bigger missiles.

[500N]

I see Iran has released a new long range drone.

Iran unveils new drone - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/iran-unveils-new-drone/2012/09/25/219abce6-73c6-4eb5-8646-11e4032a70bc_video.html)

[Lonewolf_50]

Cool.

Life gets more interesting.

[Flap62]

AB

Even if they were only capable of hitting an aircraft carrier one time in ten

If you built a high-tech, LO missile that could achieve that you would be a very happy man!

Your point re large numbers does have merit but the limiting factor on things like this is the support/launch and data link systems supporting them. Not so easy to achieve without making them vulnerable to counter-strike leaving you with sheds of cheap drones but no way to launch or control them.

[NutLoose]

Don't they all look a bit erm


http://www.planet3earth.co.uk/FIREBALL/fireball12.jpg

[500N]

"Don't they all look a bit erm"

Thunderbirds are Go !
.

[NutLoose]

That's Fireball XL5, it was long before Thunderbirds got going.. :). God I'm showing my age.....

If you watch closely, you will see a guest appearance by Buster :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ifS2nP53Zs&sns=em

[henra]

Milo, yes, all very doubtful, they seem to have started from BQM-126, first altering the empennage and later moving the engine. Not sure about the 24 hrs.

24h endurance with a jet engine and short stubby slightly swept wings in a transonic design of approx. 1000kg ????
If they managed to do that LM and Raytheon would be standing in queues to hire the designers.
I would be amazed if they managed to keep that thing in the air for more than 1 hour with ordnance!

The drone in the last video seems a much more reasonable design for long endurance albeit surely at much much lower speeds and with a small combustion engine.

Regarding swarms: If we are talking about the latter design traditional tripple A will do wonders against these slow moving 'static' targets if not flying too high. At altitude it's turkey shoot for any fighter. I would not get too panicked because of this.