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[spkat]

Hello to all
I am new to the forum
I live in Greece and are finishing my ATPL in about 10weeks,
its sad to see that most pilot jobs are asking for eg.F/O ATPL1000hours on TYPE
i understand and fully respect company's what to make money and fast so experienced pilots are the way,but looking around there are not so many jobs for low time pilots even charters ,bush flying etc.so how is it done???
Even if some job comes up in bush flying or air taxi you will not have a 1000 hours with a type rating any way,i just don't get it .
so even if you get a type rating in a aircraft say A320 how will you get hours logged if company's are asking minimum 1000 hours,
i would really like to know how it works
kind regards

[No_Speed_Restriction]

One suggestion.......become a flying instructor.

[Callsign Kilo]

I'd imagine prospects in Greece, for any degree of employment, are crap. Out of interest what the hell inspired you to pay for commercial training amid one of the biggest financial disasters in modern time? The world isn't exactly short of pilots. I'm confused that you appear confused about this.

Using a term of the forum moderator, become a part of the 'wannabee zombie army' and join Easyjet Flexicrew or become a Brookfield/Storm cadet at Ryanair. Both airlines aren't expanding, but they will take your money and above all will be happy to have you with 200-250 hours. Good luck :ok:

[spkat]

hi
i was thinking of the instructor but looking at all the minimum requirements company's ask for i don't really think it helps it could help for bush flying as they do ask for hours
and instructor hours so that's one step,
i know things in Greece are not so well at the moment but its a long story!!!how i ended here
i am originally from Australia (my Father is Greek)
my next thought was to return to Australia and convert mt ATPL will need about 5000euro for that so hope to try with Europe for starters
thanks for the tips every one will let you know what happens!!!!
kind regards

[Jetpipe.]

i would really like to know how it works

Ways of finding a job:

By sending applications all around the world -> 0.001 - 1%

By pay to fly concept -> 30% (Type rating + hour buildup)

By doing some instructor time -> 10%

By knowing somebody who knows somebody from the inside -> 50%

By other means -> 9 - 9.999%



On the other hand you have some time left until you' re done with your training.. You never know whats behind the corner !! :ok:

The above stats are not to be used as a reliable source of facts! :E

[KAG]

By sending applications all around the world -> 0.001 - 1%
The only way to be hired in Asia as an expat is to send an application, almost 100% of the time. It concerns experience pilots though.


Even if some job comes up in bush flying or air taxi you will not have a 1000 hours with a type rating any way,i just don't get it .
It very might.
The only problem is that people don't understand the progressive path.

They beleive it is 6 months of Cessna 210 then right to the A380.

This is longer than that, and much more progressive.

It takes 10 to 15 year to make it to the airlines, but during that time you will build an amazing experience, you will have extreme fun (if you are not anytime obsessed with the airlines) and you salary will increase quite a lot after a few year, with the minimum spendings initially.



Today I wouldn't choose any other route (unless I am promised a nice job in a nice airline directly) as an oil shortage is waiting to happen, wouldn't want to be stucked with a mountain a debt due to an expensive initial training.

[500 above]

Even if some job comes up in bush flying or air taxi you will not have a 1000 hours with a type rating any way,i just don't get it .

I don't get it either, this pay to play, that is. Unfortunately for you, your fellow countrymen 90% of the time pay to fly. Just look at Aegean's recruitment, all typed guys recently. There is no shortage of Greeks willing to pay for type ratings and line hours for the kids.

I know of more than one case of chaps buying a 738 rating and hours on type then buying a 'bus rating with line hours. They both fly for Aegean now.

On the plus side, I also know of several low time FO's with said airline who had no jet time or t/r's. I think the days are gone for now, though.

As you may have now gathered, "how it all works" is money.

Look at the shocking salaries they offer too...

Aegean Airlines pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements. (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Aegean_Airlines)

Spend 120000 to earn 1200 Euros per month and live in Athens? Madness.

[Jetpipe.]

Quote:
By sending applications all around the world -> 0.001 - 1%


The only way to be hired in Asia as an expat is to send an application, almost 100% of the time. It concerns experience pilots though.

I was referring to the 250-1000 hr experience range!

Greeks may be experiencing a rough time these days but from what i know some airlines still stand for the TR of their pilots.. (e.g. Sky Express) The pay-cuts though are another drama..

[spkat]

Hi Every one

well (By knowing somebody who knows somebody from the inside -> 50%)
this is how it works in Greece in all jobs!!!!!! so it dose not sup-prize me at all;)

Tinstaafl i will frozen ATPL when i finish

spicejetter: when i started training there were job opportunity's in Greece but from February things took a turn 180degrees i don't what to go to the right seat of a big airliner from one day to the other please don't get me wrong but i notice that small airlines and even bush flying are asking for many hours and experience.

And as i know from pilots in Greece it is true that wages are very low to start ,I know well too that Sky express do the type rating for new pilots also Olimpic Air too for the q-400 as for Aegean not quit shore but they did do the TR but many pilots went out and done it them self's just before they requested pilots,

any way fingers crossed and you never know what will happen :ok:

[Bealzebub]

I am amazed that anybody is in the least bit surprised.

Airlines have always sought experience, particularly when it is readily available, and make no mistake it nearly always is.

I would have thought 2500 hours including at least 500 turbine hours, before you become a serious player in that game. This has pretty much been the median requirement for the last three decades and more.

Cadet entry is the only real route to "Low time" airline employment with the sort of hours being bandied about here, and that comes with its own set of criteria and difficulties.

Climbing the "self improver" route has never been easy, and that is even more so today. Finding those "stepping stone" career opportunities is challenging, elusive and very difficult, but some people still manage it, as they always have.

Outside of the "cadet" programmes, airlines are not usually going to be interested in what you have done with your 1000 hours. There is no reason at all why they should be.

Keep climbing!

[eaglesnest1972]

Now the route to a rx seat is at least 500 hrs on type...
that's the freaking market and it will not change anytime soon...
me, i am doing my self sponsored type on the bus, then pack my stuff and move east knocking all the doors i can find...
Good luck mate!

[Bealzebub]

Worth also bearing in mind that "500 hours on type" isn't in itself a solution. Airlines will look at how, where and with whom those hours were completed. Some of the presentations wouldn't be touched with a very long pole!

Somebody who is career progressing from a recognised, quality company, is regarded as a very different commodity than somebody who has payed to put themselves in their own version of being that commodity.

For airlines who may well themselves be TRTO's, they are not the least bit interested in buying in problems when they simply don't need to.

I understand why people are attracted by this "grey market" of SSTR's, but tread very carefully because it is not always viewed as an attractive proposition by the type of companies that you might hope it is.

[maxed-out]

BB

"Buying yourself into the job" !!

Thats a bit rich. Is CTC not a form of paying to fly then. 100K total. hmmm for a flexi contract hmmm

[Bealzebub]

Thats a bit rich. Is CTC not a form of paying to fly then. 100K total. hmmm for a flexi contract hmmm

I think you are importing an argument into another thead, but yes CTC is a form of paying to fly. It is a form of paying for ab-initio flight training that leads to a cadetship with an airline, perhaps via flexicrew, perhaps not.

Buying a type rating from a "specialist" in this field, may not be what certain airlines are looking for in their recruits, and those embarking on this course of action would be well advised to add that consideration to their personal arsenal.

[pimp4life123456789]

I believe best way to get hours on jet is to get hired by Easyjet or Ryanair. You will make lots of hours as F/O on type and eventually captain time. They have a very good training standart even though the contract is not the best one in the industry. Work there 5 years, a lot of hands on flying before moving on or if you like it stay with them longer

Good luck with everything

[PURPLE PITOT]

Well that settles it. I'm off to easyjet for some hands on flying in a bus:D:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[Tinstaafl]

spkat. You will have a *Commercial* Pilot Licence. Nothing ATPL about the licence you'll be issued.

[JRpilot]

Hi!

For me is very sad to see new graduate pilots thinking that paying to fly is an option... I think is the easy and expensive option.

There are other ways, but of course it will take you much harder work than pay-to-fly and then complain about your ****ty salary...

I agree to the first answer of the forum saying look for a flight instructor job, it is a good option, I was one once, and not only it helped me to build hours, I learnt to fly. And of course it is useful if you later want to apply for any airline... remember that requirement of 10.000.000Total flight hours?? So there you go!

My friend airliners are going to be there forever... so better enjoy flying first and then jump into the "big office" with a good idea of what you are doing!

Don't be so negative... no jobs??
Look at aviationjobs.me ,there you will find many many differents jobs and requirements so will understand what is needed to become an airline pilot...

[A320baby]

Throughout my training I made a point of making contacts in this industry, Personally making friends on here, Via facebook to build a sufficient network, once I completed all my training these friends I have accumulated over the years actually became very good friends of mine.

When I finally finished my training it took me about two years to find a flying job, But when I got called for one assessment, two more came along so I ended up having the pick of four jobs, 3 flying and one working in ops with a chance of a flying job within a year, all these opportunities BAR one came from networking.

Morale of the story, if your PREPARED to put the effort in, PREPARED to travel and PREPARED to work for peanuts for the first year, ANYTHING is possible.

P.S Whatever trade you do in life, you always start at the botttom and work your way up, you Cant expect to be paid top£££ if you have 200 hours, Because when the s:mad:t hits the fan you need to be 1000% ready to handle to situation.

Good luck :ok: