tik_nat
29th Jul 2012, 12:02
Hi all,
Studying for my IREX and had a question regarding TFC holding after reading CAAP 234-1 (extract below...relevant part in bold)
4.1 When calculating the amount of fuel that may be required
for a particular flight, allowance should always be made for the
additional fuel that might be required because of:
(a) forecast weather conditions en route and the
additional fuel that is consumed during flight in icing
conditions;
(b) planned air traffic control routing (including departure
and arrival procedures);
(c) any delays resulting from traffic holding notified for:
(i) where an alternate aerodrome is required — that
alternate aerodrome; or
(ii) where an alternate aerodrome is not required —
the destination aerodrome;
(d) contingencies of the kind referred to in section 8 in
this CAAP.
So, take the below scenario.
You are planning to destination A, for which an alternate (destination B) is required. Both destination A and destination B have TFC holding advisories.
Am I (disregarding fuel for approaches, missed approaches and any variable or fixed holding) legally required to carry;
1. Fuel to get to A + TFC holding at A + fuel to divert to B + TFC holding at B
or
2. Fuel to get to A + fuel to divert to B + TFC holding at B
From my interpretation of CAAP, I would chose option 2.
If this is incorrect, don't bother reading on, but if this is correct, then, consider the following if I take option 2:
- if I arrive at destination A and am advised that I am required to hold for TFC, do I need to divert immediately?
If not, then:
- I remain at A and hold for TFC at which point something happens (navaid failure, lighting failure etc.) which requires me to divert to B. I now will arrive at B without TFC holding. Do I need to declare an emergency and if so do I need to declare it when I first commence my divert, or once I find out that there will be holding for TFC at B?
I'm asking this from the point of view of legalities and the "IREX" answer, as opposed to what you would/could do when applying prudent airmanship.
OR......am I overthinking this!!!!! :confused:
Studying for my IREX and had a question regarding TFC holding after reading CAAP 234-1 (extract below...relevant part in bold)
4.1 When calculating the amount of fuel that may be required
for a particular flight, allowance should always be made for the
additional fuel that might be required because of:
(a) forecast weather conditions en route and the
additional fuel that is consumed during flight in icing
conditions;
(b) planned air traffic control routing (including departure
and arrival procedures);
(c) any delays resulting from traffic holding notified for:
(i) where an alternate aerodrome is required — that
alternate aerodrome; or
(ii) where an alternate aerodrome is not required —
the destination aerodrome;
(d) contingencies of the kind referred to in section 8 in
this CAAP.
So, take the below scenario.
You are planning to destination A, for which an alternate (destination B) is required. Both destination A and destination B have TFC holding advisories.
Am I (disregarding fuel for approaches, missed approaches and any variable or fixed holding) legally required to carry;
1. Fuel to get to A + TFC holding at A + fuel to divert to B + TFC holding at B
or
2. Fuel to get to A + fuel to divert to B + TFC holding at B
From my interpretation of CAAP, I would chose option 2.
If this is incorrect, don't bother reading on, but if this is correct, then, consider the following if I take option 2:
- if I arrive at destination A and am advised that I am required to hold for TFC, do I need to divert immediately?
If not, then:
- I remain at A and hold for TFC at which point something happens (navaid failure, lighting failure etc.) which requires me to divert to B. I now will arrive at B without TFC holding. Do I need to declare an emergency and if so do I need to declare it when I first commence my divert, or once I find out that there will be holding for TFC at B?
I'm asking this from the point of view of legalities and the "IREX" answer, as opposed to what you would/could do when applying prudent airmanship.
OR......am I overthinking this!!!!! :confused: