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priapism
2nd Jul 2012, 10:03
I see pilots made 5th. Paramedics top the chart again. It's a pity ,in their case, that trust doesn't translate into decent pay.

320subria
2nd Jul 2012, 10:13
I second that about the paramedics, their pay and conditions for what they do is nothing short of embarrassing.

poohead
2nd Jul 2012, 10:22
Amen to that.
Interesting name you have there priapism!!!!!!!!

boocs
2nd Jul 2012, 10:25
As compared with 'poohead' ?!?!?!

b.

UTW
2nd Jul 2012, 11:18
Couldn't agree more, Priapism. You guys have been fighting for decent conditions for years.
Keep it up! :E

Wally Mk2
2nd Jul 2012, 11:59
The Mica Para's are amazing guys/gals.They would leave a Dr for dead with their fast acting abilities.They are worth far more than any pilot that's for sure:-)

No 5 for pilots hey? I was always about 5th past the post in a 6 kid race at school so I guess some things never change!:E

Wmk2

MASTEMA
2nd Jul 2012, 12:49
After Priapism's thrusting post you are probably aching to see the list.

Here is the enlarged list, hot off the job and published this morning in all its glory. It is totally engorged with the Top 20 professions!

Pilots have slipped out to fifth and Nurses have slid into fourth!

Wood ;) have liked to have seen the Doctors on top of the Nurses for a change.

Hairdressers have just made it in by the short and curlies!

Anyway, swell job to all those upright and pulsing professionals! :ok:

Reader's Digest Trust Poll 2012 Professions
1.Paramedics
2.Firefighters
3. Rescuevolunteers
4. Nurses
5. Pilots
6.Doctors
7.Pharmacists
8.Veterinarians
9. ArmedForces personnel
10.Farmers
11.Police
12.Scientists
13.Teachers
14.Dentists
15.Childcare workers
16.Bus/train/tram drivers
17. Chefs
18.Hairdressers
19.Meteorologists
20.Waiters

troppo
2nd Jul 2012, 21:04
So you lot actually read Readers Digest? How quaint :}

topdrop
2nd Jul 2012, 21:27
Only while waiting to see the Doctor

BPA
2nd Jul 2012, 22:01
Or while catching a bus/train/tram to get a hair cut or on the way to the dentists.

Wally Mk2
2nd Jul 2012, 22:20
It's a bit of a worry to see the cops & ADF personal half way down not to mention teachers & childcare workers beyond that!!
How apt the Met guys/gals are almost on the bottom & where's ATC?......the list isn't that long I guess:E

Wmk2

TheWholeEnchilada
2nd Jul 2012, 22:32
Banker
CEO
Business Executive
Politician
Lawyer
Industrial Relations
Spin Doctor
Human Resources
Financial Planner
Real Estate Agent
Property Developers
Car Salesman
Accountant
journalist


oops, sorry that was the most despised list.

Hunter S Thompson
2nd Jul 2012, 23:02
At the risk of sounding like a snob at least half of these "professions" are jobs (vocations perhaps by the modern definition for some of them). Hair dresser or waiter or tram driver as a profession? Give me a break. Check out the definition of profession. Even pilot is marginal depending which definition/criteria you use. Yet another example of the dumbing down of our modern society.

Wally Mk2
2nd Jul 2012, 23:12
I kinda agree with ya there 'HST', pilot as a profession is marginal I reckon in fact I've always maintained it's a more a 'trade' than anything else hence it's not paid that well especially anymore when compared to IT jobs etc.

Like most jobs it's (pilot) a learned skill being a plane driver & seeing as you need very little in the way of formal education to be a plane driver then a trade is more suited to the job.:-)

Wmk2

Trojan1981
2nd Jul 2012, 23:43
Most of the list seems about right to me! Paramedics complete a lot more study than pilots, they also face more non-standard situations and very frequent requalification than pilots. It is worth noting that Intensive Care Paramedics of the Special Operations Team (the guys & gals who fly on ANSW's 13 helicopters and conduct remote area/technical retrieval) actually earn more than the EMS Pilots, and a lot more than regional pilots.

Having served in the ADF, worked as a commercial pilot and engaged in Paramedic study (currently, also conducted a number of SARs as a crewman), I'd say the list is about right.


Like most jobs it's (pilot) a learned skill being a plane driver & seeing as you need very little in the way of formal education to be a plane driver then a trade is more suited to the job.:-)

Wmk2

I agree Wal. A good gauge is whether or not it is taught at uni as a profession. In the case of aviation the uni element is all faffing around the edges of the actual driving job.

t_cas
3rd Jul 2012, 01:47
'A disciplined group of individuals who adhere to high ethical standards and uphold themselves to, and are accepted by, the public as possessing special knowledge and skills in a widely recognised, organised body of learning derived from education and training at a high level, and who are prepared to exercise this knowledge and these skills in the interest of others.

Inherent in this definition is the concept that the responsibility for the welfare, health and safety of the community shall take precedence over other considerations.'

Jack Ranga
3rd Jul 2012, 02:34
& where's ATC?.

Since when does waving ping-pong bats entitle you to trust?? :cool:

In_Transit
3rd Jul 2012, 05:18
Since when does waving ping-pong bats entitle you to trust?? Hey if it weren't for us ATC's, how would you know where to park?

Seabreeze
3rd Jul 2012, 05:48
So meteorologists aren't scientists it appears. They are told to avoid windows I believe, to the point that I was once told in the old BK briefing office (early 80s) that the fog would not lift until 2300z, when a glance out the window showed it had already!

I knew a meteorologist once; he seemed like a good bloke. He denied that they are trained to do rain dances and animal sacrifices, but we pilots know the truth!

Sometimes it would be nice to be able to provide feedback to the actual person who wrote up the TAF!

BoM how about a feedback blog site to get your meteorologists up the ladder of trust?

2Plus
3rd Jul 2012, 05:59
I guess those stickers worked then. :rolleyes:

teresa green
3rd Jul 2012, 08:14
Paramedics are the best. Having been a former member of a bush fire brigade, I used to almost faint at some of the things I saw in road accidents. I don't do blood, but had to in that job. They are amazing. As for pilots, they are actually non existent, locked on the flight deck since 9/11 they are no longer visible, and can only be seen in the terminal. Not like the great days when you had visitors to the flight deck, and enjoyed it, talking to different people and really enjoying the kids. God only knows how many kids thought, this is for me, and gone on to join us. No longer possible. People now just hope the mystery person up the front knows what they are doing. For me that is not progress.:{

Golf_Seirra
3rd Jul 2012, 10:05
I think doctors should be top of the list....that is if you have had a prostrate exam the old way...:eek:

Or was it some thing like doctors bury their mistakes one at a time and pilots die with a whole bunch screaming in the back....

Any vote for the cabin crew ? They have to clean up the awful mess we create every time we hit turbulence....

Chopper OZ
3rd Jul 2012, 21:59
Pilots are massively overpaid...

It's one of the only "professions" that doesn't require a real formal education... just a bucket of cash to pay the flying clubs. It's a waste of beer money!

No 1 for pilots should be Aircraft Engineers :E

psycho joe
3rd Jul 2012, 23:00
Pilots are massively overpaid...


Yer just jealous cos chopper pilots have no visible means of support. :E

teresa green
4th Jul 2012, 01:27
Anything that does not need to take a running jump to get into the air, I am suspicious of. Anyway they say being a Helicopter Pilot is like having sex with a :mad:. Fun at the time, but would rather not talk about it.;)

frigatebird
4th Jul 2012, 03:03
At the risk of sounding like a snob


Having served in the ADF


A good gauge is whether or not it is taught at uni as a profession.


Wackers..
(Nah..FB, don't rise to the bait of the whiteants, Fifth Columnists, revisionists, and pansies. After leaving school at 16 to work, then getting that Commercial at 23 and being professional for the next 40 years doesn't change what you were. Those doctor fellows could always ask for specialist second (or third, or fourth) opinions if in doubt, and the new officers were brainwashed during their OC course, but you did it by yourself in real time most of the time, so just let it ride....)

Tankengine
4th Jul 2012, 03:51
I always laugh at the "real formal education" wakkers.:}

Plenty of them who have never been to Uni and think it is the ultimate educator.

Plenty with degrees working at Maccas or driving cabs.:rolleyes:

Plenty of MBAs and Bch/Economics who ears less than even a cook or cleaner up at the mines. [shows how good their education was!]:E

Anyone who thinks they can make the "big bucks" in this industry simply by throwing money at a flying school really has no idea!:ugh:

That said, it is possible now to pay for a jet job which once ,rightly or wrongly, was available only for about one in seven.:hmm:

WMUOSF
4th Jul 2012, 05:27
Well put T.G.
The kids always loved meeting the pilots and were sold on air travel for life.
I mean all kids, not only the little one's.

Howard Hughes
4th Jul 2012, 06:12
A Doctor was speaking at a conference I attended, his take on universities was this: "90% of people who start a University course fail to finish, those who complete Doctorates are not necessarily smart, just persistent!" :ok:

Trojan1981
4th Jul 2012, 13:10
I'm sure the term applies to those at your level frigate bird, but it certainly does not to a newly minted CPL the way it would to a recently graduated Lawyer, Medical Doctor or other who is charged with upholding the public interest.

For the record I think it's good that the military is down in the list. Some of the worst crime I have ever witnessed was perpetrated by defence members (Did someone say RAR fire sale? :E ).