MEIR ---- MCIR

[NzCaptainAndrew]

My NZ MEIR has lapsed 6 months ago....

I am currently in Aus; To renew this to a aussie MCIR what do I have to do?

Do I have to get current in NZ and convert it over or can I renew it in Australia?

[knox]

My NZ MEIR has lapsed 6 months ago....

I am currently in Aus; To renew this to a aussie MCIR what do I have to do?

Do I have to get current in NZ and convert it over or can I renew it in Australia?

I'm not 100% sure but you can't renew it in oz, you'd have to pretty much do the whole thing over again including exams and that would get you the oz MECIR. Prob easier to do in NZ then "ttmra" it.

Maybe someone else has a more accurate answer.

Knox.

[seneca208]

As it clearly states in the TTMRA package, you can only convert current and valid licences+ratings. If you do not have a current NZ MEIR you cannot convert it to an Australian MECIR. If you wish to obtain an MECIR, you have the option of going back to NZ, renewing your MEIR then transferring it over, or sitting the IREX and MECIR flight test.

[NzCaptainAndrew]

If I were to do a initial in oz would that count as my 1st renewal? and my hours would count towards it so Id just be lacking a few flights to get current and the theory exam...right?

[seneca208]

Technically speaking, it would not be a renewal. From an experience point of view I guess you could call it that.

IMO, you'd be better off returning to NZ making a few runs in the P68 and sitting your NZ renewal.

[BoundaryLayer]

Hi NZCaptainAndrew,

You would have to do the Initial Issue. This would require passing the IREX and then passing the Initial Issue flight test. Typically this flight will be about 2-3 hours. You would also need to do some pre-test training flights etc. Funnily enough it may be the IREX that gives you the most grief.

A renewal is quite a different flight, and usually can be knocked off in little over an hour. One reason is that if you do an ILS then that ticks the VOR box as well.

As earlier posters have stated the TTMRA gives you the equivalent licenses/ratings that you are current for at the time you go through the process. Also it is a one off, you don't get to go back and use it later for any new or renewed ratings.

I went through it shortly after it was introduced, my NZ CPL and C-Cat were current but MEIR was not. As I had already passed the IREX, I decided to go through TTMRA without the current MEIR. I later obtained the Aus MECIR via the regular initial issue test after a couple of practice flights.

What I would do if in your shoes -

If you haven't already gone through TTMRA, I think on balance it would probably be quicker and maybe cheaper to go back to NZ, renew your IR, then return to Aus and put the TTMRA paperwork in. Of course that may or may not suit your personal circumstances. :ok:

One more thing - its not a renewal. If you are looking at a job that states "at least 1 renewal" etc, I'd say you could explain your situation.

[27/09]

As earlier posters have stated the TTMRA gives you the equivalent licenses/ratings that you are current for at the time you go through the process. Also it is a one off, you don't get to go back and use it later for any new or renewed ratings.

This isn't my understanding or have they changed the rules? My MEIR wasn't current when I used the TTMRA to get my Aussie licence but I was told that the time it was easy to add later once/when it was current.

[BoundaryLayer]

Hmmm, as it has been a long time since I did it I figured I should check the current facts. :8

Unfortunately this doesn't really answer the question of whether you can apply a second time and add a qualification when you get it current in NZ...

From the CASA guide, which can be found here: http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/main/fcl/download/ttmra.pdf

Instrument and Flight Instructor Ratings
Current instrument ratings and flight instructor ratings (except for Cat D & E ratings) may be automatically transferred and the equivalent Australian ratings issued.

Once registered, to continue exercising the rating privileges in Australia, you must maintain a current Australian rating. Renewing your New Zealand rating does not renew your Australian rating and once you have been issued a rating under the TTMRA, you are not eligible to be issued a renewal of that rating on the basis of a renewed New Zealand rating.

and

Prerequisites for Registration
Qualifications presented for recognition under TTMRA must be current at the time of application (eg. within the last 12 months prior to application for instructor and instrument ratings). A full certified copy of the renewal flight test stamped in the pilot’s logbook showing date of test, navaids tested, s/e, m/e, or C Cat, B Cat FIRs, etc, etc.) must be presented when requesting an equivalent issue.

Probably best to email them and get an answer in writing.

[27/09]

I don't have the details handy and not sure I could find them as it was sometime ago now. However I'm pretty sure the communication I had from the guy at CASA (Miles Harris?) when I did mine several years ago stated that the rating had to be current and if not current could be added later when current.