Look for a C- 180

[Charlie1080]

G'Day all

Been beating around looking at a few C-180s lately. but am having trouble finding any for sale around oz anyways. i know there are a lot around. Does any one know of any that might be sitting in the back of hangars not going any where for a while and needs some TLC? and also would be interested to sell of course? any model would be fine.

[185skywagon]

Send and email to the Aussie 180/185 club pres. He will forward your request to the membership. Or pm me for contact details.

Try skywagon dot info for his email.

185.:)

[metalman2]

There's a 185 for sale at maryborough QLD, I used to share the hangar with it, looked nice enough, ring the aero club they should have the owners contact
Met

[sarge75]

Hinterland have completely overhauled a 182 which they are trying to flog off and is meant to be a beaut machine

[Clearedtoreenter]

NSW Sport Aircraft Club - Wedderburn (http://wedderburnairstrip.com.au/)
180 and 185 for sale there take your pick.. Details are on the website.

[Waghi Warrior]

There is a 185 in the government flying unit's hangar in Port Moresby that is owned by an ex CAA inspector. Last time I heard it was in need of a major overhaul however it is complete, not to sure if it's up for sale.

Maybe someone else on these pages might know more details if you are interested.

[Charlie1080]

Thanks Waghi.

any info on this plane would be fantastic

[saabsforever]

The Moresby 185 is P2 MFX, an ex MAF machine owned by Mack Lee in the 90s. It is a nice one to fly I took it to Kerama and back once. But very rough interior. Mack ground looped it in the mid 90s and I once saw it in numberous pieces and the back of a hanger in Cairns as the entire front of the fuselage and landing gear area was rebuilt. In about 97 recieved a very average paint job, shortly after that Mack was killed and I suspect MFX has not flown since. How much corrosion has occured since who knows but in any event it would be a substantial project needing overhaul of engine and airframe, new interior and most avionics, and new paint. Having done one not a cheap exercise or one for the faint hearted but a good option if you are after a good Aircraft to keep for an extended period. The present value would be minimal if you work it back.

[Charlie1080]

You wouldnt know where i could get onto anyone up there?

[tail wheel]

You have the registration. Contact PNG CASA for the name and address of the owner seems logical?????

[Skywagon1915]

It is S/n 2146 which makes it a 1973 F-Model, the last of the 185's the MAF put into operations. Most of the MAF pilots I have spoken to ref P2-MFU restoration all preferred to fly the E series or earlier one's.

[Flying Binghi]

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There's a nice yellow 185 fer sale at Cooly. I think its listed in the Av trader.







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[Fris B. Fairing]

Please excuse the thread drift but on the subject of Cessna 180s, a bit of a history ask.
Does anyone know the rego of the Cessna 180 that had a groundloop while taxying at Inverell, NSW, back on January 15, 1965.
Yep, a long time back but someone might recall the event and more particularly the rego.
In relation to a history write-up on another C180.

Rgds

[185skywagon]

Fris
Have a look at www.skywagon.info.
I put a lot of early occurrences in table
Form on our site.
If not, I can have a look at some of my other database records.
185

[flywatcher]

Ref MXF. That is an aircraft I would not touch with a barge pole. Current value, perhaps $8 - 10,000. Dollars to fix --- try $250,000 odd.

[tail wheel]

Yes, there comes a time when recycling into pots, pans and beer cans is the logical or only option.

[Frank Arouet]

In 1972 I flew a C182, (VH RFK), out of Orange circa Hazleton's.

The aircraft had a distinct odour having been converted from taildragger ag work into nosewheel. It stands to reason that there is an AD somewhere to turn it back into a taildragger.

Just a suggestion, but if so, there are a few good C180 and 180A models around with straight tails that would save lots on rebuilds to achieve the same thing. I've seen this done with straight tail turtleback 150's and they are a pretty conversion. Even saw one with a 150HP engine. I think that bloke used it for mustering.

The swept tail tailwheel conversions don't cut the mustard in my view.

[Fris B. Fairing]

Mr Wheel
Your Moderatorship

Yes, there comes a time when recycling into pots, pans and beer cans is the logical or only option.

I'm sure what you meant to add was:

... after first offering the aircraft to your local aviation museum.

185skywagon
I couldn't find anything on your site so I would be grateful if you could check further.

Rgds

[185skywagon]

fris
http://www.skywagon.info/PDF/ATSBpvtaccident.pdf

you will have to sift through this pdf at the link.
there are no regos or places.

I do have this info elsewhere, but it only goes back to about 1969.

185.

[tail wheel]

Mr Fris

I meant to say:

"Yes, there comes a time when an aircraft is so far past rehabilitation that even an aviation museum rejects it and .... recycling into pots, pans and beer cans is the logical or only option."

Sorry Sir! :{

[saabsforever]

There will be plenty of pots and pans once Mr Cessna has cleaned out the fleet with the corrosion inpection programme. Short story if you have if you have a good clean machine no big deal, just some man hours to inspect. But all the neglected tired and rotten airframes will be beyond economic repair. The 180/185s tend to survive as they are worth more but an old nose wheel cessna and some old 180s will be running out of options. Good news is the survivers will be worth more once they pass and the ranks are thinned out.

[185skywagon]

Saab,
Just about to put mine through the SIDS.
I feel that there will be a big clean out of the fleet after all this.
185

[Skywagon1915]

Is this SIDs programme for the 185's running now, or pending ?

[baron_beeza]

The 100 Series were published about 6 weeks ago.

The Cessna 172M Service Manual revision issued recently is over 200 pages thick. That is just the additional pages.. !!

Technical Publications (http://www.cessna.com/customer-service/technical-publications.html)
''''''Login to the Customer Access area for more publication information:''''

You will be required to register. It does say it could take 24 hours but I did mine months ago and can't recall now... I thought it was quick and painless though.

Once logged in you will have access to all the 100 and 200 series SID's documents in downloadable pdf format. About 2 MB files.

Click on 100 SE Series. Then on the lower right corner of the next page...
You will see SID Information.

Then the next page will have all the active links to all the Service Manual revisions that have just been released.
SID Documents
100 Series and 200 Series HPSE

Examples being :-
D138-1TR7 (Model 100 Series 1953 - 1962 Serv. Man.)
D470-TR6 (Model 200 Series 1960 - 1965 Serv. Man.)
D637-1TR9 (Model 100 Series 1963 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D606-2TR7 (Model 200 Series 1966 - 1968 Serv. Man.)
D841-8TR8 (Model 177 Series 1968 - 1978 Serv. Man.)
D693-1TR8 (Centurion Series 1969 Serv. Man.)
D849-5TR7 (Reims Rocket 1968 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D2004-5TR11 (Model 210 Series 1970 - 1976 Serv. Man.)
D971-3TR6 (Model 150 Series 1969 - 1976 Serv. Man.)

[185skywagon]

1915,
For the 185, SIDS is now incorporated into the Service Manual, as I understand it.
You have until towards the end of 2014 to complete the required inspections, as I understand it.
I'm sure others may have a different view.

From your photos, you would be in an ideal situation to complete these during the rebuild.

Mine falls into the severe use category but not the severe corrosion zone.

I'll keep you posted on how it goes. Hopefully there are no major surprises lurking.:ooh:

185

[Jabawocky]

Yes 185...... we would hate you to have to change your username....

:eek:

[185skywagon]

what... to Airvan or something?

Or 185 used aluminium sales? I hope not.



Interesting times ahead for the fleet, I fear.

:sad:

[dude65]

This one just went on the market

Cessna 180/185 aircraft for sale - PlaneSales (Australia) (http://www.planesales.com.au/aircraft/1-single-engine-propeller/261-cessna-180-185/4601-1953-cessna-180-185/)

[Skywagon1915]

There is a 67 C185E just listed for $215k freshly restored.

What do you guys feel about the future of C185's keeping in mind the SID's program etc. Does the type have a commercial role in say 5/10 years time ? Will GA8's or C208's or the like replace it with their seat capacity & turbine engines ... even at the high capital cost ?

Taking one back to zero time is good right ? What will it cost to own & operate a mint condition, well equipped example in say 2020 ? Over capitalisation is always an issue, but quality alway's prevails to the discerning buyer I expect, from a business perspective.

[edsbar]

And just how do you propose to "take one back to zero time"? Short of having a time machine I can not see how you could do this.

Direct link to the 180 / 185 SIDs is

https://support.cessna.com/custsupt/contacts/pubs/ourpdf.pdf?as_id=37409

[185skywagon]

Cessna states in the SIds doc that the 180/185 should be retired at 30000 hours. I guess that would apply to all the 100's.
My inspection is going ok, at this stage.

[edsbar]

For 180 / 185
The Supplemental Structural Inspection Program is valid for Model 180/185 airplanes with less than 30,000 flight hours. Beyond this, continued airworthiness of the airplane can no longer be assured. Retirement of this airframe is recommended when 30,000 flight hours has been accumulated.

For 206
The Supplemental Structural Inspection Program is valid for Model 206 airplanes with less than 40,000 flight hours. Beyond this, continued airworthiness of the airplane can no longer be assured. Retirement of this airframe is recommended when 40,000 flight hours has been accumulated.

[185skywagon]

Fairly sure that my old girl will see my flying life out.

[Skywagon1915]

saabsforever: "The Moresby 185 is P2 MFX, an ex MAF machine owned by Mack Lee in the 90s. It is a nice one to fly I took it to Kerama and back once".



http://www.frednolan.com/images/stories/A185E/mafpng/One%20of%20the%20early%20brothers%20to%20P2-MFU,%20P2-%20MFX%20parked%20at%20Port%20Moresby..jpg

[AnyGivenSunday99]

I know of a very nice 185 for sale in western nsw. Pm me if you know of serious buyers