FAA Check Airman Qualification

[jtr]

Searched and didn't find this one....

Are there ways in which a foreign check approval (E.g. TRE/IRE) can be "converted" to an FAA ATP?

I will soon be getting the FAA ticket and it would be advantageous to also carry over my check approvals if possible. If not I assume the path is the standard application process.

any advice?

Thanks

[PT6A]

It's not the same in the US. TRI and TRE don't exist.

To conduct training is covered under FAR 61.167 IE. with an ATP you can instruct other pilots for an aircraft that you are rated on... both in the aircraft and simulator.

To conduct a checkride that would either be as a TCE (Training Center Evaluator) or as a "check airman" these are not added onto your licence but is an approval that is obtained via your company or training center.

Below is FAR 61.167

(a) A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate is entitled to the same privileges as a person who
holds a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating.
(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—
(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the
airline transport pilot is rated and endorse the logbook or other training record of the person to whom training has
been given;
(2) In flight simulators, and flight training devices representing the aircraft referenced in paragraph (b)(1) of this
section, when instructing under the provisions of this section and endorse the logbook or other training record of
the person to whom training has been given;
(3) Only as provided in this section, except that an airline transport pilot who also holds a flight instructor
certificate can exercise the instructor privileges under subpart H of this part for which he or she is rated; and
(4) In an aircraft, only if the aircraft has functioning dual controls, when instructing under the provisions of this
section.
(c) Excluding briefings and debriefings, an airline transport pilot may not instruct in aircraft, flight simulators, and
flight training devices under this section—
(1) For more than 8 hours in any 24-consecutive-hour period; or
(2) For more than 36 hours in any 7-consecutive-day period.
(d) An airline transport pilot may not instruct in Category II or Category III operations unless he or she has been
trained and successfully tested under Category II or Category III operations, as applicable.

[MarkerInbound]

The training center (part 142) or air carrier (part 121 or 135) selects who they want as instructors or TCE/check airman. They submit a request to the FAA to have the person approved for the position. If the FAA is happy with the choice they will issue a letter stating what the pilot can do. It looks good to have a CFI but I know people who are TCEs but have never held a CFI. They usually have a long history of training, either military or airline.

[jtr]

Thanks to both of you for informative answers. Makes sense now. My emoyer is a non US company (biz jets) but the need exists for someone to be able to perform checks in the sim for FAA licenses (rephrase - it is the cheaper option for us) so I will make some more enquiries now that I have a place to start.

Thanks again.

[PT6A]

JTR,

When you say "checks" what checks? To issue a type rating or for recurrent training?

It might not be that simple if your company does not hold its own approval and your going to a 142 center, as at the moment it would be that 142's centers TCE that is conducting the check.

With regards to actual "training" either in the sim or aircraft... A rated ATP can do it under the provisions of his licence as long as it is in accordance with your ops manual.

No separate TRI certificate exists.

[MarkerInbound]

The FAA doesn't just give out check airman letters or type rating designee authorizations. You have to be able to show a need that can not be filled by the status quo. You have to show you'll be conducting a minimum number of checks a year to have an in house check airman. Same thing for a type rating designee. Just because a 142 center charges a wing and an engine is not a valid reason. It's normally a scheduling issue (not enough FAA inspectors) or not one authorized to issue that type.

[B200Drvr]

"With regards to actual "training" either in the sim or aircraft... A rated ATP can do it under the provisions of his licence as long as it is in accordance with your ops manual."

Only in the US and only under US Part 135 or 121. Furthermore, it can only be done after receiving FAA approval of your company training program.
An FAA ATP cannot just give instruction whenever he feels like it, and certainly cannot do it outside of the USA, even on N reg to FAA certificated pilots. Be careful of the legalities and study your FAR's before doing anything like this.

[PT6A]

B200 actually the FAA say you can do exactly that! That is also what it says in the regulation. "Privilages of an ATP"

[A Squared]

An FAA ATP cannot just give instruction whenever he feels like it



B200 actually the FAA say you can do exactly that! That is also what it says in the regulation. "Privilages of an ATP"

Actually, no it isn't what it says.

What it does say is that "(b) An airline transport pilot may instruct—

(1) Other pilots in air transportation service in aircraft of the category, class, and type, as applicable, for which the airline transport pilot is rated . . . "

Now, there might be room for discussion about what exactly constitutes "air transportation service" and whether it exists outside of a part 121 or 135 operator, but for sure an ATP holder is not authorized to instruct "whenever he feels like it".


***edit****

Actually, there is no room for discussion This interpretation (http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/data/interps/2010/Creech.pdf) from the FAA's office of chief counsel removes all doubt that an ATP's instruction privileges are limited only to operations under Part 121 and 135.



And having been a Part 121 check airman, I can assure you with a great deal of confidence that any instruction which is required for pilot qualification under Part 135 or 121 may not be given by just any pilot who has an ATP, it must be given by a person specifically authorized by the certificate holders ops inspector to give flight instruction.

[The Dominican]

Done the part 121,135 & ICAO check airman deal as well and A Squared is correct, you need to go through a certified company training and be checked by the POI or his representative to be able to serve on this capacity for an airline or an on demand air service company. This privilege is not transferable to another company or airman certificate:=

[B200Drvr]

PT6A, You need to read he regs very carefully before you make the mistake of thinking an ATP pilot can sign anybody off for anything. The FAA are very clear on this. I have en-counted a FAA ATP pilot who signed somebody off under part 91 as an F/O on a "N" reg B400 in a foreign country. An act that actually required a full SIC type rating issued by a TRO. The ATP pilot had less than 40 hours on jets and on type, and therefor resulted in a situation where the PIC had less than 40 hours and the SIC had 1 hour. The regs clearly state this can only be done in the USA under an approved training program as mentioned by A Squared and The Dominican.