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donnlass
8th Jun 2012, 09:53
The whole title wouldnt fit in the heading:

Was pilot on doomed Air France jet with female off-duty flight attendant when disaster struck which left 228 dead?


Read more: Was pilot on doomed Air France jet with female off-duty flight attendant when disaster struck? | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155975/Was-pilot-doomed-Air-France-jet-female-duty-flight-attendant-disaster-struck.html#ixzz1xC6Oemvv)



Captain Marc Dubois was 'travelling socially with off-duty Air France employee Veronique Gaignard'

Dubois took more than a minute to return to cockpit after co-pilots lost control in thunderstorm.

By DAMIEN GAYLE

PUBLISHED: 17:06, 7 June 2012 | UPDATED: 07:48, 8 June 2012



The captain in charge of the Air France jet which crashed into the Atlantic Ocean in 2009 - killing 228 passengers, including five Britons - may have been with a woman when the plane ran into trouble, it has emerged.

Captain Marc Dubois took more than a minute to return to the cockpit of Air France flight 447 after his co-pilots lost control of the plane during a severe thunderstorm.

What delayed the captain has never been revealed, but two sources say that the 58-year-old veteran pilot was travelling socially with an off-duty Air France flight attendant, Veronique Gaignard.


Marc Dubois, captain of the Air France jet which crashed in the Atlantic in 2009, may have been with a woman when the plane ran into trouble. Two sources say he was travelling socially with off-duty Air France flight attendant Veronique Gaignard (right)

Jean-Paul Troadec, director of the Bureau d'Enquêtes et d'Analyses, France's air accident investigation unit, told ABC News that Ms Gaignard was not part of the investigation.

The agency was 'not interested' in the 'private life of the pilot', Mr Troadec told the news network, which revealed Ms Gaignard's presence on the flight.

Air France 447 had been travelling overnight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris on May 31, 2009, when it ran into trouble, crashing into the Atlantic in the early hours of June 1.


Wreckage: Brazil Navy sailors recover debris from Air France flight 447


Disaster: The aircraft was in an aerodynamic stall, but the pilots failed to push the nose down to correct it

Black box recordings revealed that Dubois was on a routine break as the plane entered a tropical storm, leaving his two co-pilots - David Robert, 37, and Pierre-Cedric Bonin, 32 - in charge.

As their Airbus A330 rolled from side to side in the storm's turbulence, Bonin and Robert - who respectively had 2,900 and 6,500 flying hours between them - were unable to bring it under control.

They desperately called on Dubois for help, but for reasons that have never been completely explained, it took him more than a minute to return to the plane's cockpitBonin was in control for most of the descent, while Robert took over one minute from impact.

The emergency began with a stall warning two-and-a-half hours into the flight, and nine minutes after Captain Dubois had left the cockpit for his regulation rest.

Although Bonin had told flight attendants to prepare for a 'little bit of turbulence', the report highlighted the fact that passengers were never warned about how serious the situation had become.

Instead the Airbus climbed to 38,000 feet and then began a dramatic rolling movement, with Bonin simply getting passengers to fasten their seat-belts.
Those on board included Bonin's 38-year-old wife, Isabelle, who was travelling without their two boys, aged 8 and 4.

A detailed analysis of two black box flight recorders from the plane has established that airspeed sensors had malfunctioned - probably because they had frozen up.

In itself, this was a problem which could have been dealt with, but the co-pilots had failed to deal with a high-altitude stall.


The terrifying end of Flight 447 involved a three-and-a-half minute plunge at 120mph, in the dark, belly first, with the nose slightly elevated.

'It seems that the pilots did not understand the situation and they were not aware that they had stalled,' Mr Troadec told ABC.

All those on board - who came from 32 nations, including five from Britain, three from Ireland, and two from America - died after the plane hit the sea at a speed of 180 feet a second.


Read more: Was pilot on doomed Air France jet with female off-duty flight attendant when disaster struck? | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2155975/Was-pilot-doomed-Air-France-jet-female-duty-flight-attendant-disaster-struck.html#ixzz1xC5EuI48)

Ollie Onion
8th Jun 2012, 09:58
Who Cares,

I would have thought 1 minute to get out of your bunk and re-appear in the flightdeck would be relatively quick whether he was shagging someone or even just sleeping. :ugh:

maxred
8th Jun 2012, 10:05
As stated it was a 'regulation break'. Two experienced first officers were left upfront, in cruise.

I find it astonishing that someone would even consider bringing this theory up.

Obviously an agenda somewhere:\, probably legal. What a world:rolleyes:

PPRuNeUser0171
8th Jun 2012, 10:07
Along with several other enthusiasts posts your are deleted and most
banned from the forum. You are the worst type - an accident
junkie/ghoul

Rob PPRuNe Admin

AndoniP
8th Jun 2012, 10:12
Obviously an agenda somewhere


No, just a :mad: story from an utterly :mad: newspaper.

Rush2112
8th Jun 2012, 10:24
The Daily Mail. Quality journalism.

AIRCON99
8th Jun 2012, 10:26
I think it is quite disrespectful really to even consider this as a point of theory. 1 minute is not a long time especially when he was on a regulation break.

Like fellow posters have said - just someone trying to whip up a story out of nothing.

Dg800
8th Jun 2012, 10:28
I find it astonishing that someone would even consider bringing this theory up.This is not someone, it's The Mail, also know as the worst scum ever to tread the surface of the earth. :mad:
I sincerely hope the surviving family of the Captain sues the pants off them for defamation.

Ciao,

Dg800

Tableview
8th Jun 2012, 10:33
It's muck raking of the worst type. What he was doing during a legitimate off-duty break is utterly irrelevant. There are plenty of reasons to point fingers at AF management for poor proecdures and practice, but this is not one of them. And as others have said, one minute from sleeping to being on the flight deck and alert enough to assist is very quick.

Cacophonix
8th Jun 2012, 10:33
As about as scurrilous as newpaper journalism gets. My contempt for this loathsome newspaper is complete.


Caco

Lamyna Flo
8th Jun 2012, 10:56
Dear god, gutter press at its absolute worst. Does it even matter? Leave the dead to rest in peace, Daily Mail scumbags. Pathetic.

ATC Watcher
8th Jun 2012, 10:56
This "info" is not new and was briefly discussed in French pilots forums very soon after the accident. Basically : so what ?

What the Capt did during his break was up to him, sleeping , chatting with pax or entertaining a girl friend, who really cares!
But Direspectful for the families left behind for sure. especialy divulging the names . Nothing but disgust !

pudoc
8th Jun 2012, 11:07
Must be a slow news day.

CargoMatatu
8th Jun 2012, 11:08
Absolutely agree with the posters above.

You know, in my career I have spent a lot of time with my off-duty coleagues, male and female, both on the aircraft and off.

So what? Totally irrelevant. Trying to make something out of nothing. :ugh:

Jet Jockey A4
8th Jun 2012, 11:11
Typical of the medias today... What a shame!

I agree with all the comments posted so far and to bring up the woman's name is very, very low indeed.

TURIN
8th Jun 2012, 11:24
A new low by the Daily Liar.
You can't sue them as they have posed it as a question not a 'fact'. They do it every day. Either that or they post a headline in quotation marks.

EG. Is the Mail a garbage newspaper full of the lowest of the low journo scum?

Littlejohn's editorial regarding the female Red Arrows pilot was particularly loathesome. :mad:

Empty Cruise
8th Jun 2012, 11:28
Daily Wail - move to JB, please...

The Daily Mail Song - YouTube ;-)

SaturnV
8th Jun 2012, 11:40
Before beating up on the Mail, a very long video that aired on ABC on June 6:

Nightline 6/6: Air France 447 Crash Investigation Full Episode - Nightline - ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/watch/nightline/SH5584743/VD55208904/nightline-66-air-france-447-crash-investigation)

Lonewolf_50
8th Jun 2012, 12:24
It would thus seem that Nightline are a pack of jerks as well. :p

This isn't news.

320DRIVER
8th Jun 2012, 12:39
Utterly shameful reporting considering the slandered party cannot defend himself.

Disgusting and inexcusable.

DX Wombat
8th Jun 2012, 13:48
How sick, mean, malicious can you get? Are there any depths left to plumb? What sort of pleasure do you get from causing the families even more heartache and misery? Empty Cruise has it almost right when (s)he says;Daily Wail - move to JB, please...
This appalling thread does not need to be moved, it needs to be closed. - Please Mods.

Shell Management
8th Jun 2012, 14:00
I find it astonishing that someone would even consider bringing this theory up.

It is fairly common for accident investigations to look at the activities of the accident pilots over the DAYS before an accident to look at how tier actions and activities may have affected their physiological and mental states.

You might think this is

Utterly shameful reporting considering the slandered party cannot defend himself.

So what does it say when

This "info" is not new and was briefly discussed in French pilots forums very soon after the accident

grebllaw123d
8th Jun 2012, 14:46
DX Wombat,
I agree so much with you - this disgusting thread should be closed!
There should IMO be no space available on pprune for spreading this kind of outrageous gossip.

Tableview
8th Jun 2012, 15:15
this disgusting thread should be closed!
I disagree. Disgusting as it is, people should be allowed to express their views, there are plenty of others ready to shoot them down. I don't see any value in closing the thread, as the 'information' to which it refers to is now in the public domain.

Lonewolf_50
8th Jun 2012, 16:35
Thought experiment: if one replaces the "off-duty flight attendant" with "wife," does it matter to the conduct of the flight?

Captain got recalled to cockpit, got back to cockpit, and was too late to fix the problem his two compadres induced.

Who he may have been having a chat with during the beginning of his rest period seems at best irrelevant.

Wisden Wonder
8th Jun 2012, 23:29
Reference the Daily Mail and Littlejohn, have you TURIN got particular knowledge that would suggest he is incorrect, Do you know why the female pilot is no longer part of the Red Arrows flying team, do you have information as to how/why an aircraft crashed whilst doing a 'fly-by'. do you have information as to why an ejection seat was operated whilst the aircraft was on the ground? I would suggest that you are as informed as the rest of us are, ie. their has been no information at all from the government of the day about the accidents involving the tax payers airline, and therefore you know nothing either. Littlejohn may have contacts and be better informed, but the whole system stinks when we have to speculate on accidents, with nothing forthcoming from the MOD. Chug-a-lug.

Agaricus bisporus
9th Jun 2012, 09:49
I am deeply shocked and horrified - nay, all but traumatised - by the inference that a pilot may have been "with a woman" on his aeroplane. Has society fallen to such a low that women are actually permitted on aircraft, or was this appalling lapse achieved by subterfuge? How can such a thing be allowed, but the real shocker for me is the gross dereliction of professionalism in that a pilot may have allowed himself to be in proximity to one in flight. Have pilots too fallen to such depths of depravity that they would allow themselves to be near a woman on board an aeroplane, of all places?
I'd never have believed this, particularly of a Frenchman.
What is the world coming to?