QF Swiss cheese

[aveng]

With the way QF management are slowly destroying the place, maybe its timely for us to start listing our swiss cheese factors. So when (god forbid) something does happen we already have the "I told You so's" ready.

For me it was the closing down of heavy maintenance and support shops in Sydney.

[tgbgtgb]

Are you suggesting the maintenance Qantas is carrying out in its other facilitys is not to the same standard as Sydney? The work that is being completed by mostly the same people or people trained by them?

[Tankengine]

Not having 777 to replace 747s.:hmm:

[greenslopes]

Not having the 'U' after the 'Q'..!!

[Offchocks]

Fuel is one of QF's largest costs so I have to agree with Tankengine ................. not having the 777 to replace 747s.

A Big big mistake!

[aveng]

Are you suggesting the maintenance Qantas is carrying out in its other facilitys is not to the same standard as Sydney? The work that is being completed by mostly the same people or people trained by them?

No - The fact that they shut it down, was in my opinion one of the first swiss cheese holes.:ok:

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Are you suggesting the maintenance Qantas is carrying out in its other facilitys is not to the same standard as Sydney? The work that is being completed by mostly the same people or people trained by them?


Many of the checks were outsourced to Sin. After the frst one we got our hands on an internal safety dept report that essentially said - too many problems, do not use facility again. They did.

It was just things like using a household stapler to hold together wires that had been cut in half. Staple being the new conductor of course.

[The The]

Anyone hazard a guess what the QF fuel bill would have been if had a fleet of 777's instead of 744/A380's? I believe the 777 burns about 30t less across the pacific for not too much a different payload. At 4-5 flights a day just to the US, that's about 54,000t per year - what is that in dollars just for the US?

Looking another way, QF Int represents about 1/3 group ASK's. So would that roughly equate to 1/3 group fuel bill (approx $1.4b). Would the 777 achieve a 20% reduction on that? saving $280m?

[Suck&Blow]

When are the people responsible for corporate governance in this country going to wake up to the Qantas debacle and do something about it? :ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

[teresa green]

Dixon/Joyce.

[The Green Goblin]

Suck and blow,

When the food in the trough dries up. They'll be forced to get off their knees and actually look up.

They might not like what they see.

[V-Jet]

They'll be forced to get off their knees and actually look up.

That won't actually make all that much difference to the overall perspective of one person I can immediately think of - they must spend almost all their time looking up already:)

[Wedcue]

Qantas Dom and Int are split as of July 1st.

It's been 6 months since Qantas had in their future forecast to be just A380's (22 or so) with the odd 74's as they are progressively retired.

Qantas will be gradually shrunk to a size that it becomes grossly unprofitable from all the nasty foreign carriers. It's either slash it back to QF1 (London) and have that one aircraft or they get a bail out. The government will want to keep the roo international, it's the aussie icon, so, with all hope, the government would be able to 'manage' QF int and off she goes.

In the break up (come July 1st) most of the A330's and all 767's and 737's are solely domestic.

Qantas Int still exists, the sale act honoured. A bucket load of surplus pilots on the long haul award. Not where Qantas (as a business) wants their pilots... So...

The 787 will go to QF Domestic, it is profitable, and the 787-800 are fit for east coast-Perth flying. Then the long haul pilots who's arses are left hanging out to dry, will be offered new contacts on the 787 or shown the door. Long haul pilots kicked off the long haul EBA and onto a new award. The jets flown by Qantas Pilots.

It's a win for management. That's all that matters these days right?

[Tankengine]

Odd, still both international and domestic patterns for A330 in July!:8

Maybe all the armchair experts aren't!:D

[What The]

There's someone who knows nothing about the Fair Work Act.

Christ, another Monday morning quarterback.

[Angle of Attack]

I suspect strongly that all new aircraft will go onto a shorthaul type award, and they will leave the Long Haul award to bleed a slow death, otherwise if the long haulers dont allow it, it will go to an overseas contract. As for the Swiss cheese Dixon really pre empted the rot, while times were booming making no investment in new aircraft and taking all the cream for profits, meanwhile now QF are left with a rotting corpse of old planes (apart from the A380 which will never run a profit) and a few A330's

[blackhand]

To read James T Reason's theory
Look here:
http://www.r2a.com.au/papers/AMPA%202002.pdf
His approach isn't a panacea for all situations.

[simsalabim]

My head hurts after one page. I think I'll wait for the DVD.

[Tubby Henshaw]

You only have to look at a qf destination map in the late 70's and one today and you will have an idea of what it will look like in 20 years if that long.
As for Swiss cheese holes you only have to look at the board.