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Victor Inox
14th May 2012, 06:56
At our local Sainsbury's yesterday, Mrs VI was unable to purchase any freshly cut salami (tipo Milano, for those interested in such details) because "the slicing machines for cured meat are both out of order". When Mrs VI enquired as to the serviceability of the other two slicing machines, she was informed that these were for "cooked meat" only. This was due to food safety legislation "by Brussels".

Well, just last week, our macelleria in Canobbio was doing fine with a slicing machine used for all sorts of cold meats, and so was a butcher's shop in Bavaria.

Perhaps some home grown lunacy at work here?

(We solved the problem by digging out and using our own slicing machine at home, but it's not very suitable when slicing only short lengths of sausages).

ExSp33db1rd
14th May 2012, 08:18
Change of duty roster at short notice, flew home as pax. but couldn't board 'cos the girl at the counter couldn't give us tickets 'cos "The Computer" wouldn't print. ( old fashioned paper tickets, not the present electronic stuff )

My Flight Engineer handed her his pen.

Couldn't you have given Sainsbury's staff a carving knife ?

( guess you couldn't carry one in for fear of being arrested for carrying an offensive weapon )

World's Gone Mad.

lurkio
14th May 2012, 08:48
Flight Engineers - those guys can fix ANYTHING.

Boy I miss them.

Lon More
14th May 2012, 09:34
Sometimes it's not the legislation that's stupid, it's the morons interpreting it

ExSp33db1rd
14th May 2012, 10:15
Flight Engineers - those guys can fix ANYTHING.

Particularly good at 'fixing' the pay TV system in hotel bedrooms, so that one could watch the "Adult" movies without the necessity of having to pay. A large paperclip was an essential item of ones kit, and the F/eng. would then explain exactly how to use it.

Such fun.

Juud
14th May 2012, 10:45
Ditto lurkio; the 2 man cockpit operaton has a lot to answer for in that respect.

Not only would the FEs be able to fix most anything on and off the airplane (yes, including free porn for the lads), they also were a strongly normalising influence on the cockpit atmosphere. No idea how that worked, but excessive SkyGod-itis was always curbed by the FEs presence.

With their generally atrocious off-duty dress-sense, down to earth mentality and the quietly unshakable sense of it-wil-all-be-all-right they radiated in a crisis, they were a now sorely missed asset on board and down route.

Great guys & gals. :ok:

BOAC
14th May 2012, 10:52
Well, just last week, our macelleria in Canobbio was doing fine with a slicing machine used for all sorts of cold meats, and so was a butcher's shop in Bavaria. - have you considered that it might be that the UK is 'stupid enough' to conform to the legislation rather than ignore EC rules as the rest often do?

Storminnorm
14th May 2012, 10:56
It used to be great fun to just bring SOME of the cockpit
"Prima Ballerinas" back down to the realistic level.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
14th May 2012, 13:43
Never mind ignoring the rules, the last detailed study I saw (3 years ago) on EU regulations was on a 12 page document sent out by Brussels.

Most nations issued it unchanged, the Italian shortened it to 10 pages, the French to 9, and the UK issued a 77 page document. :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Burnt Fishtrousers
14th May 2012, 13:52
"Most nations issued it unchanged, the Italian shortened it to 10 pages, the French to 9, and the UK issued a 77 page document"

Not surprising really..we have to find work for idle civil service hands before they retire at 55..

A A Gruntpuddock
14th May 2012, 13:58
"... she was informed that these were for "cooked meat" only ..."

I think I would be very unhappy if my cooked meat was cut with a slicer used for uncooked products, thereby passing on any bugs present in them.

ShyTorque
14th May 2012, 14:00
Ditto lurkio; the 2 man cockpit operaton has a lot to answer for in that respect.

You might miss the Flight Engineers, but I'll bet you'd miss the SkyGods more if they're no longer in the cockpit...

MagnusP
14th May 2012, 14:02
I think I would be very unhappy if my cooked meat was cut with a slicer used for uncooked products, thereby passing on any bugs present in them.

Agreed, but it was cured meat in need of slicing. That's generally safe.

Fox3WheresMyBanana
14th May 2012, 14:31
The blades are cleaned daily anyway. What she was saying was "I can't be @rsed to clean the blades".

Never mind that if the supervisor had 2 brain cells to rub together, they would have switched one of the two working machines to cured meat till spares arrived.

sisemen
14th May 2012, 17:19
I think I would be very unhappy if my cooked meat was cut with a slicer used for uncooked products, thereby passing on any bugs present in them

And that's why the jobsworths are a protected species in this PC age. Some daft bugger will always want to be quick with the writs because they can't handle an infrequent dose of salmonella.

In the old days if you killed too many people you went out of business. Simple. If you kept the death rate within reasonable bounds the customer was rewarded with food that tasted like food and not sterilised pap.

Tableview
14th May 2012, 17:28
Reminds me of a girl in a supemarket slicing smoked ham for me. She's turning the handle of the machine with her right hand and letting the meat fall out onto her left hand. She has one latex glove. It's on her right hand! When I asked her why, she said they'd been told they only needed to wear one glove when slicing meat for customers!

11Fan
14th May 2012, 20:10
Never buy sausages from a Butcher with four fingers.

ricardian
14th May 2012, 21:08
There was a programme on TV a few years in which the BBC took a food safety standards inspector to several open-air markets in France where food was displayed in the open air, proprietors were smoking whilst serving, cakes didn't bear "sell by" dates etc. The inspector was horrified and said "they shouldn't be doing it" to which the BBC chap replied that the number of food-related incidents in France was about the same as in the UK.

radeng
14th May 2012, 22:06
Ermm, Ricardian,

ermm, isn't the population of France actually larger than the population of the UK?

Which would suggest that either the French are less susceptible or that their food hygiene WHERE IT MATTERS is actually better?

ExSp33db1rd
15th May 2012, 02:32
You might miss the Flight Engineers, but I'll bet you'd miss the SkyGods more if they're no longer in the cockpit...

Can't be long .... I've seen the passing of the Radio Operator, the Navigator,the Flight Engineer ...

I blame Bill Gates.

Next generation of aircraft will only have a pilot and a dog. The pilot will be there to feed the dog, and the dog there to ensure that the pilot doesn't touch ANYTHING !



( OK, it's an old joke, but never a truer word spoken in jest ? )

ExSp33db1rd
15th May 2012, 02:35
You might miss the Flight Engineers, but I'll bet you'd miss the SkyGods more if they're no longer in the cockpit...

Can't be long .... I've seen the passing of the Radio Operator, the Navigator,the Flight Engineer ...

I blame Bill Gates.

Next generation of aircraft will only have a pilot and a dog. The pilot will be there to feed the dog, and the dog there to ensure that the pilot doesn't touch ANYTHING !


( OK, it's an old joke, but never a truer word spoken in jest ? )

Krystal n chips
15th May 2012, 06:43
" was informed that these were for When Mrs VI enquired as to the serviceability of the other two slicing machines, she "cooked meat" only. This was due to food safety legislation "by Brussels"

Sounds more like the UK Food standards criteria to be honest, rather than EU...and if the assistant had been told by somebody further up the food chain in Sainsbury's that it was "from Brussels"..she's only going to repeat what she's been told......there again, Saturday, went into a well known outdoor pursuits shop to try and buy a cagoule....non clearly visible, so I asked the young lady if they had any in stock...." Erm, no..sorry....what's a cagoule?".......:ugh:

On the other hand, this was in Stafford so.........

MagnusP
15th May 2012, 08:21
KnC, your cagoule story reminds me of attempting to buy a new pair of cross-trainers for the gym. Tried a large chain of "sports" stores only to be told that they didn't sell trainers for training, just for fashion. :ugh:

Tableview
15th May 2012, 08:26
"Hi, I'm Honey, how can I help you today?" says the inanely grinning blonde with big hair, bigger teeth, and a smile from ear to ear.

"I'm looking for a recording of Vivaldi's Mandolin Concerto."

"Sure, y'all find that right here ..." and she take mes over to 'Heavy Metal' or some shit.

That was in a music shop in a mall in Miami.

Victor Inox
15th May 2012, 08:29
Tried a large chain of "sports" stores only to be told that they didn't sell trainers for training, just for fashion

Catering to the people who need to dress up for job interviews :ok:

Helol
15th May 2012, 15:31
Reminds me of when I popped into B&Q or whichever one it was, and asked where the 'house plants' were displayed.

'House plants?' came the reply.

stuckgear
15th May 2012, 19:31
BA, and there's always the old adage, the three things that make the perfect flight; the FE finds a decent meal for under 5 bucks, the co-pilot gets hold of a flight attendant and the captain has a bowel movement.

ExSp33db1rd
15th May 2012, 23:23
and ...... Flt. Eng's have to do sums, co-pilots have to be able to write, but Captains only have to know someone who can read.

Capot
16th May 2012, 13:17
Let's not forget that when all 4 engines on a BOAC/BA (not sure which) VC10 flamed out, somewhere in the Far East, it was the FE that got them started again, no mean feat in a VC10.

Could the Capt and.or FO have done it on their own? We'll never know, but I know where I'd place a bet.

TWT
16th May 2012, 13:28
Wasn't that a BA 747 ?

British Airways Flight 9 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9)

Capot
16th May 2012, 14:37
No, that was another incident, involving volcanic ash at night. The VC10 incident was, to pick a fairly neutral word, self-induced.

G-ASGL Fuel starvation incident - December 1974 (http://www.vc10.net/History/incidents_and_accidents.html#G-ASGL%20Fuel%20starvation%20incident%201974)

If I may be permitted to repeat part of a previous post on this subject, I just love the laconic phrase in that report "The crew responded by initiating a descent ........"

TWT
16th May 2012, 19:18
Thanks for that info Capot

ExSp33db1rd
16th May 2012, 22:24
I agree with Capot, but ... I recall a BEA pilot pointing out that it was an aircraft with a Flt. Eng. that suffered the loss of all engines, and whereas the pilots might, or might not, have been able to re-start, it was a Flt. Eng. who caused the problem in the first place - read the report - quote ... had all four engines feeding from the number 4 main tank, but forgot about the situation.

Not knocking Flt. Eng's - wouldn't be without them, and - Let Him Without Sin........... etc.