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mattias424
9th May 2012, 22:36
Just saw this news report in media.
Apparently a F/O working for SAS was doing the preflight groundcheck
when the police took him in for a routine check. The F/O apparently was found intoxicated with alcohol levels exceeding 1.0! It's the first time this happens here in Sweden since the new law was implented. Sad day for aviation even though it could have been alot worse if they hadn't caught the drunk F/O.

Pilot p Arlanda fast fr flygfylla | Nyheter | Aftonbladet (http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article14804310.ab)

Capn Bloggs
10th May 2012, 01:48
The F/O apparently was found intoxicated with alcohol levels exceeding 1.0!
Back to the pub for you! I thought you die at around 0.4.

0.2 - Animal;
0.3 - Vegetable;
0.4 - Mineral.

Or, he was a pretty seasoned drinker to be doing his preflight at that BAL.

Capt Claret
10th May 2012, 03:40
The allowable alcohol limit in Australia, is 0.02% bac.

A colleague was taken aside by a certified CASA tester and sent home with a reading of 0.9% bac.

The tester did not question the reading, and IMHO was grossly negligent for telling the cabin crew member to drive home, with allegedly a bac 1800% over the legal driving limit (our driving limit is 0.05%)!

As I understand things, no person can be alive with a bac of 0.9%.

It is grossly unfair to characterise the pilot, or anyone else as drunk UNTIL the reading has been certified and a conviction upheld.

In the case above, it wasn't until the Cabin Crew Member got to her car that she had enough time to reflect, and realise that "the machine" or operator had made an error. By this time, her reputation was under question, and being stood down from duty, she lost out financially for a mistake or error that was not of her making.

HighWind
10th May 2012, 05:43
Alcohol levels are normaly given in o/oo (At least around here)
It's 1.0 o/oo, and 0.1 %

mattias424
10th May 2012, 07:54
Here in Sweden we measure alcohol levels in what we call "promille" 1/1000.
So for others that do not use this system its 0.1%.
At least SAS managed to keep the identity of the F/O.
Thanks to HighWind for clearing this up.
To Capt Claret, this is what media here is reporting as I said in my initial post its not IMHO. I would think that they verified this before going to print. In this case I dont believe its a failing machine sad to say.

joebananasss
10th May 2012, 09:02
NOT a good thing to blow out into the media, for a company already bleeding.. :ugh:

jackx123
10th May 2012, 11:16
for the less knowing "pro mille" is a latin term meaning "per 1,000" and is commonly used in north europe including germany, holland etc.

so is the metric system......a way to measure and used in science.

UK had the privilege to introduce the metric system (including celsius) some years ago but I can understand the lag down under and over the pond :}

Capn Bloggs
10th May 2012, 12:16
for the less knowing "pro mille" is a latin term meaning "per 1,000" and is commonly used in north europe including germany, holland etc.

Geez, I didn't know 1 in 100 wasn't "metric"! Better get onto Liz and tell her to update the convicts... :ok: :\

I'm probably biased, but using a % Blood Alcohol Level term seems more logical to me.

So the FO wasn't as bad as thought; probably would have got thru his preflight OK! :ouch:

thepotato232
10th May 2012, 12:19
0.2 - Animal;
0.3 - Vegetable;
0.4 - Mineral.

Just so you know Capn, I'm stealing this.

Centaurus
10th May 2012, 13:24
I hate the word "drunk" being used to describe a case such as this one.

Maybe half-pissed would be acceptable?

Tinribs
10th May 2012, 17:33
Bloggs

It is not possible to use 0% for 2 reasons

some individuals have a natural blood content of a small amount of alchohol

if you were to say 0% some clever person would design a device to detecting .000000001%, such as a beer three weeks ago, and then we would all be guilty

The object of testing is to ensure crew are not under the adverse influence of booze not prohibit consumption entirely

antonovman
10th May 2012, 17:48
" Maybe half-pissed would be acceptable? "

Oh great, I love it

eu01
10th May 2012, 18:07
Back to the pub for you! I thought you die at around 0.4.
Oh no, not at all. Recently I've learned from the detoxification specialist that a human (man, not women) can survive with as much as 10 (1%) blood alcohol content. Not the first-timer, though. Only some "trained" alcoholics can withstand 10 (1%) level.

Ancient Mariner
10th May 2012, 20:22
Tinribs, I hear this urban myth of 0.0 being impossible. Quite a few countries disagrees.
0.8g - UK, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta
0.5g - Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Latvia, Netherlands, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain
0.4g - Lithuania
0.2g - Norway, Poland, Sweden
Zero - Estonia, Romania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary


Not a complete list as several countries have Zero limits for professional drivers and for those below a certain age or with limited experience.
Per

saboo
10th May 2012, 21:20
In Estonia you're considered over the limit when you either show a 0.1 mg when breathalysed or have a 0.2 BAC, so although it's called a "zero tolerance policy" it's still not an absolute zero.

AOB9
10th May 2012, 21:46
Ireland since 2011

- 50 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood for experience drivers
- 20 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood for other drivers ( learners/professionals)

"Drivers" being motor vehicles. As a student PPL I have never even come across the issue of alcohol and flying ( to date). Personally, I just wouldn't consume alcohol for at least 24hrs prior to a lesson.

axefurabz
10th May 2012, 22:55
a human (man, not women)Oh man, I can't wait to use that - in a different context, of course!

Capn Bloggs
11th May 2012, 02:53
Bloggs

It is not possible to use 0% for 2 reasons

I wasn't suggesting that 0% be the limit, only that using the % as a measurement seems more logical.

some individuals have a natural blood content of a small amount of alchohol
That explains why half of my FOs can't walk in a straight line. Ithought it was the iwaves in their heads, but it must be that! :E

Apell
11th May 2012, 14:36
The level 1.0 promille is one thousand part of your volym of blood.
Stay sober and safe, please.
KHB

sea oxen
12th May 2012, 01:04
Stay sober and safe, please.

Yes, Mother.

Worrals in the wilds
12th May 2012, 01:36
Depends on the mother...:}
Drunk woman caught 8 times legal limit Crime and Court News | goldcoast.com.au | Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia (http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2012/05/12/415065_crime-and-court-news.html)

The header on the paper edition is 'Drunk Mum blows 0.425: Police stunned she's alive, let alone driving' :eek:

probes
12th May 2012, 04:33
- 50 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood for experience drivers
- 20 milligrammes of alcohol per 100 millilitres of blood for other drivers ( learners/professionals)

So, around 30 if I'm semi-experienced? :E What's the scale of 'experience'?

Rush2112
12th May 2012, 06:51
Maybe half-pissed would be acceptable?

I believe that's the technical term.