Flybe - Does anyone actually believe this rubbish?!

[Lord Spandex Masher]

Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2139635/Queen-skies-The-girl-Britains-youngest-female-airline-pilots-aged-just-25.html)

No, not a(nother) female pilot although her future earnings appear to be rather good!

Figures from October 2011 show that a direct entry captain for Flybe can earn up to £82,000 compared to £81,509 with Easyjet and £65,000 with Emirates.

I was obviously on the wrong contract, I mean after 8 years as a Flybe captain my basic was a lot less than £65k plus a paltry amount of duty pay. I know they had a pay rise again this year but still nowhere near £82k.

[Wizofoz]

...and to compare that to Emirates!

Yes, that is about right for base salary, year one. Add flight pay and Housing Allowence and it becomes More like £100k tax free.

And after three years you are looking at getting close to a command, not a move for the RHS of a Dash to RHS of an Embraer!

[silverknapper]

Also just to be picky, 25 is nowhere near the youngest lady pilots around. I flew with one 2 years ago who had her ATPL by 22.

[sitigeltfel]

Some "interesting" observations about the young lady in the comments section of the linked article :hmm:

[Blighty Pilot]

The Daily Mail - enough said!!!!! :ugh::yuk:

[Cactus99]

One of the quotes from the link:

"No I wouldn't fly with her, postioning herself right up to the window all scary like that, I don't care if she's a woman that's just plain spooky."

They've kinda got a point, its a bit of a PR disaster it seems!

[falconeasydriver]

Good on her I say, it's a bloody tough industry to get into these days, and the industry needs keen young people.
A quick look back at my year 1 EK pay packet, and not including the bonus, equates to a total of just over 105k GBP. This sum is based on what I would have to earn back in blighty to get the same cash in hand as I do here in the sandpit.

[Artic Monkey]

The comments section is priceless. This is one of the best ones:

OK, fair enough but who parks it? :E

[Lord Spandex Masher]

don't understand why the hell this was even approved by Flybe!!..

Possibly because of the, ahem, quoted salary appearing to be one of the best in the world. But then I'm always cynical when it comes to Flybe these days.

[Hotel Tango]

Interesting to note that her love for aviation and her ambition to be a pilot came about from being allowed up front for a landing. Not much chance of that (at least in the UK and USA) these days. Those were the good days of aviation. My kids did quite a number of take-offs and landings in the front office of airliners. Those days passengers thought how lovely it was of the pilots. Now it would be a letter to the Sun or Daily Mail resulting in horror headlines and the sack for the crew. How times have changed (for the worst)!

[Serenity]

I can say for sure that the Flybe salary is complete rubbish.

It's just more spin from Exeter and French.
I've heard from the horses mouth that there is no real reliability issues with the Dash compared to the jet, salaries and conditions are better than Easyjet- now compared to Emirates! No one works too hard, so I guess we will ignore all the rosters that show over 100 flying hours in a month!! A 5 on 2 off constant roster is not fatiguing!
And so the list goes on.........
Guess that's why a French justifies his larger than Walshes salary, while the staff suffer from some of the worst conditions in European aviation!!!

[spikem]

You will find that this article originated in a local paper before the mail got hold of it, and figures inserted by their reporter. As Kate works for Flybe, I would imagine she is fully aware of their salary scale and not expecting some of the figures that appear on here.

[Love_joy]

Command in 3 years?

Maybe at the peak of the boom times, but not now. Flybe's most junior captains are at least 4, mostly 5 years into the game.

[stewiegriffin]

those Flybe figures are a load of :mad:!

1) Jet capt year 1, sorry, year 0, is approx £66,966 with say £3k duty pay
2) but, they would never take DEC on jet, always dash, which is considerably less: £60,565 (+ the same duty pay)
3) but saying that, with the number of SFO's, they would never even take DEC on the dash nowadays
4) you're looking at at least 5 years for command as well (onto the dash might i add)

[Iver]

Youngest female pilot? Not sure about that. At least the article mentioned the accumulated training debt - the public need to know about the sacrifices wannabe pilots make and then have to live with in the future - especially on wages that get smaller and smaller.... :{:ugh::mad::yuk:

[Mungo Man]

Gosh, those comments at the bottom of the page are very telling of the publics extreme ignorance of aviation and prejudice against women. Its staggering to read.

...She's a co-pilot.. otherwise she would be in the left seat...the pilots seat....

...Why has she only got two rings on here arms, two rings is a senior cabin crew insignia...

...normally a First Officer has three rings on the arms, not two. Four as captain, three as second officer, two as senior cabin crew and one as junior cabin crew. 25 years in the airline busines I have never seen this before....

....These planes fly themselves. The pilot just has to be there in case something goes wrong. They can take off and land by themselves like drones. They can also adjust their course automatically in order to avoid other aircraft detected by their radar...

[Globally Challenged]

Got to love the DM's loyal readership of 'mouth breathers' and their wonderfully insightful (entertainingly so) comments.

Note to self: must remember to activate the auto-tcas next time I fancying popping down the comfy end for a doze

[silverknapper]

Falcondriver

Not sure what your made up virtual salary has to do with this argument. 'What you would have to earn to be paid the same in the UK' has no real bearing when comparing tax free to taxed economies. When you consider your tax free status your probably underpaid. After all if it was truly tax free your salary would be 622000AED To compare with a salary of GBP 105000which it's not.

[spikem]

Wasn't there another story about 2 Flybe pilots getting sacked and appearing in court this week.....................oh yes I forgot.

I thought it was just the politicians who done this sort of thing. Nice work. Think you owe this young lady big style.

[BALLSOUT]

...Why has she only got two rings on here arms, two rings is a senior cabin crew insignia...

...normally a First Officer has three rings on the arms, not two. Four as captain, three as second officer, two as senior cabin crew and one as junior cabin crew. 25 years in the airline busines I have never seen this before....

I think this may be the way things are done in the states, however in Europe, generally it's two stripes for a junior first officer, 3 stripes for a senior first officer and four stripes for a captain. No stripes for cabin crew!

....These planes fly themselves. The pilot just has to be there in case something goes wrong. They can take off and land by themselves like drones. They can also adjust their course automatically in order to avoid other aircraft detected by their radar...
What a load of tosh, this may well be the way it's done some time in the future, but at the moment everything flying around "except drones" needs the crew to fly them.

[JAR]

These cabin crew all have stripes!


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[falconeasydriver]

Silver,

Ermm yes it does, I posted the info as a follow up to Wizofoz on the basis that I relate everything back to the UK as its where I'm from.
The relevance to this thread is on the basis that the info presented is patently misleading and requires correcting.
With respect to your mathematics, you will note I stated my total income EQUATES.
How did I arrive at this figure? simple, I took my monthly income here at EK, converted it to Sterling and then added the component of Tax and NI I would be paying, I then took the sum total of my housing allowance, added the cost of utilities and medical insurance coverage, and arrived at a pretty conservative number. I then added the 12.5% of company contribution to my basic salary in terms of a provident fund, and inshallah, about 105K GBP would just about cover the same things back home leaving a similar level of disposable income.
I did not make any allowance for school fees or the free company transportation to and from work.
All in all its worth making a valid comparison me thinks, I should also add that on a year on year basis, the cost of living here in the UAE in terms of food, petrol, beer etc etc averages out for me to be very very similar to where I'm from back home.
But of course Silver, dont take my word for it, what would I know anyway?


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[BALLSOUT]

JAR They look nice, one of them even has four stripes, but where are they from?

[Globally Challenged]

Is that not KLM?

[Enecosse]

Is that not called a sandwich, technically probably a club sandwich.

[saucy jack]

Is that not Jerome from Robson & Jerome on the left?